CY: You have to be able to rethink the mid eighteenth century. Like, this is a degree of power that most people, you know, even almost everyone who thinks for themselves doesn't really have. And so, you know, in some ways, it's much easier to sort of deconstruct or reanalyze World War one in which there are sort of no real stakes than World War two. The usual, you know, summary but the thing is when people talk about the Cold War per se, they are normally speaking about it as sort of something that is built on the basis of World War two and of basically the tumultuous period between 1933 and 1948. And then their sort of history picks up and and, you know, if this history of forty three to forty eight is sort of, you know, built on a purely mythic kind of retconned propaganda basis as as I believe it is, then you have something sort of, you know, like your concept of the Cold War can't be very clear.
CY: Moreover, what's interesting, what's kind of cool about the propaganda in this period is that it sort of includes this interesting bait of, okay. We'd sort of justify this war largely in terms of the Holocaust. What if the Holocaust never happened? Actually, having looked into the matter, I think that the Holocaust is one of the best documented events of human history. However, almost everything else about World War two is kind of a lie.
CY: So, you know, for example, if you'll read even if you just read the recent mainstream Stalin book, Stalin's War, which basically shows very clearly that the Molotov Ribbentrop Molotov Ribbentrop Pact was a trap laid by Stalin for Hitler to basically start the war, although also known as the icebreaker hypothesis, completely mainstream historical book. You know, then, you know, it's fairly clear that the FDR had prior knowledge of Pearl Harbor and basically used the fleet in Pearl Harbor bait as bait, you know, conspiracy theory is completely true. And just like completely the fact that we cannot find documentary evidence of this is as unremarkable as the fact that we cannot find documentary evidence of Hitler's order of the Holocaust. Yeah. Nobody would have written that shit down. You know? And and, Hitler would not have written that shit down. FDR would not have written that shit down. And and so, you know, the thing is that your story once you accept, the first thing that you have to accept is the essentially mysterious nature of World War two. If you wanna start, you might say World War two, good for the Jews. It clearly wasn't. So the idea of, you know, we've been sold this war to save the Jews or whatever. World War two was never a war to save the Jews. Nobody thought that at the time.
CY: You know, if anyone thought that, it was Hitler. And and and that's such a completely no historian will tell you that. Yeah. And yet we we we, you know, no academic historian will tell you that. And yet, basically, sort of that's the belief in people's minds. In fact, you know, World War two is also presented sort of in terms of the story in which it was presented at the time, which is this world domination plot between Germany and Japan, which has essentially no historical basis whatsoever.
BAP: Sorry to interject, Moldbug. But speaking of this, what you just said about I have friend. He is, old Jew. He he actually fought in Israel founding war
CY: Excellent
BAP: And he and he thinks that, you know, one word, you know, essentially, he agrees with everything you just said. He thinks that, if there had been no World War two, if the French and English consuls had been in Warsaw, there would have been no holocaust whatsoever.
CY: Oh absolutely
BAP: Hitler's plan was not to kill the Jews, it was to deport them and, you know, so Hitler's-
CY: Yeah. Hitler's Hitler's, like, you know, in in Hitler's plan after deporting the Jews was to hold them as hostages. And what he didn't realize when and he said this explicitly in his speeches and what he had no idea of when he said this is that, you know, there were certainly influential Jews in the West. There were, for example, the Salzburgers of the New York Times.
There was Felix Frankfurter. There was Brandeis. You know, these were very influential and important people. But what they didn't realize is that these people were what we Yiddish speaking Jews called jekes. They're actually basically stuck up German Jews.
CY: And so, you know, these basically lace ridden jargon speaking Eastern European Jews have been a burden on them for quite some time, you know. And so Hitler is basically like, you know, what Hitler has done is sort of the equivalent of like kidnapping your ex wife who you hate and like threatening to kill her. Of course, you're saddened by this. Like, you don't want her to die, you know, but, like, the level of sort of ethnic, like, you know, World War two is not at all a Jewish war to conquer the world. And so Hitler's, you know, sort of actions are on the basis of a view of the world that is in fact completely deranged and and wrong.
CY: And that's, you know, one of the many, many reasons that that that he loses the war. So don't under any circumstances be wrong. And, you know, but the thing is when we look at, you know, the truth is that in a way, you know, when you look at the imbalance of material power that, you know, Hitler and or, you know, Mussolini and Tojo, none of whom were acting in concert in any way at any time. They're all, you know, they they barely they what we call the access is a press release. You know, for example, one thing most people don't know about World War two, you can easily look it up on Wikipedia, it's called the Pacific Route. Most of the raw materials supplied to Russia in their victorious war by America in their victorious war against Germany were supplied by, you know, American built freighters flying under Soviet flags, sailing under Soviet flags from San Francisco to Vladivostok. And if you draw that on the map basically that's essentially right up Japan's asshole and out their mouth. And you know, so the Axis is such a real thing that Japan lets America supply, you know, Russia by crawling it's up its ass. Why does it do that? Why does it not basically just say, oh, in 1941, wow, you know, we can kill we can conquer Eurasia, you know, like in the Philip K Dick fantasy. Like, you know, Germany goes east, Japan goes west, done. Easy enough in in retrospect. It's the obvious move if you're playing the Axis. The problem is there is no Axis.
BAP: Yes.
CY: There is no conspiracy to conquer the world. These are rebellions by three countries against what we are have come to know as the international community which is essentially the Anglo American empire. And and these rebellions include, you know, which are crushed with enormous force, you know, sort of, naturally have a very bloody character to them. And many bloody deeds are committed amidst these rebellions, and we can sort of blame in a way the failure of the rebellion and the bloodshed created by it namely the Holocaust are in some ways inseparable because they are both signs of profound misjudgment.
CY: And it is a misjudgment that like, you know, whatever Gods rule history is utterly impatient with this terrible misjudgment. On the other hand, when we say World War two intended to save the Jews, no. Good for the Jews, no. This is like, you know, from the perspective of the Jews, World War two is a horrific act of organized negligence at worst at at best. And and and, you know, like, anyone who's basically planning FDR's decisions and actually cares about the Jewish populations of Eastern Europe would have many easy solutions to basically not produce that result.
