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Guys, you will NEVER hate them enough
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This whole thing is just phrased so you have no idea what the implications are without specific knowledge. They make it look bad.. “prices crashing! Oversupply problems!”

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Wait a fucking second, WHOSE PROBLEM IS THAT

It’s a bunch of inscrutable mealy mouthed shit until the last sentence, OVERSUPPLY IS EXPECTED TO GROW

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Bloomberg CLEARLY states where their loyalty lies

If copper becomes LESS EXPENSIVE, then it BECOMES LESS EXPENSIVE TO REFINE IT DOMESTICALLY

wait so if power plants, electric infrastructure, consumer goods, new homes etc face LESS pricing pressure, that’s BAD?! Your mini split air conditioning unit uses cable where the wholesale price is $10/foot, is it supposed to be good if that goes UP?!
Just a reminder to anyone freaking out about the economy: The definition of a recession was changed in 2022 just so the system could say "Don't believe your lying eyes and ears, peasants."

Their sperging about the economy is worthless.
 
GDP doesn't indicate a recession anymore. The Experts™️ said so last time.

Oh, right, Dems are out of power, so we've always defined a recession that way. You just imagined the word games and copium, MAGA baby child peasant.
The GDP growth estimates get revised later, too. I’m interested in seeing if the books are still getting cooked like in the Biden admin or if that has been fixed.
 
If copper becomes LESS EXPENSIVE, then it BECOMES LESS EXPENSIVE TO REFINE IT DOMESTICALLY

wait so if power plants, electric infrastructure, consumer goods, new homes etc face LESS pricing pressure, that’s BAD?! Your mini split air conditioning unit uses cable where the wholesale price is $10/foot, is it supposed to be good if that goes UP?!
The way I read it was that since Chinese factories are refining less copper, demand shrinks. Copper producers have to sell copper at a lower price since they want to get rid of their oversupply. They are also selling it to a smaller number of buyers, as China takes up 80% of copper refineries.

Now, even though demand for copper has decreased, the demand for products that use copper has not decreased. In fact, that demand may rise. Domestic manufacturers can profit from this, but consumers can face higher prices as a result.

Essentially, the raw input costs less, but the externalities of producing domestically will lead to a higher prices for the output.
 
"Turn the other cheek" doesn't mean let your enemies kill you. There is no such concept in Christianity.
That’s true but unfortunately a lot of cuckservstives interpret it that way.
It's insane how the UK government is doubling down about this given the domestic situation in their country, especially since part of it involves making a potshot at some Manosphere guy who had 15 minutes of fame two years ago.
It’s why I’m rooting for the Indian-Pakistani war to kick off. I want to see the Bongs deal with Hindus and Pakis killing each other in the streets. They’re not ready for it.
 
The GDP growth estimates get revised later, too. I’m interested in seeing if the books are still getting cooked like in the Biden admin or if that has been fixed.
In 1991 the U.S GDP was 7.5 trillion dollars, today it's 30 trillion dollars.

Despite that the standard of living has dropped off a cliff, more people are living in poverty than ever before and ever major U.S city is drowning under a pile of rotting garbage and feral drug addicts.

Fuck the GDP it means absolutely nothing.
 
In 1991 the U.S GDP was 7.5 trillion dollars, today it's 30 trillion dollars.

Despite that the standard of living has dropped off a cliff, more people are living in poverty than ever before and ever major U.S city is drowning under a pile of rotting garbage and feral drug addicts.

Fuck the GDP it means absolutely nothing.
From 1980 to 2025, the DJIA gained 39,000 points and the result of that was that home prices grew 2.5 times faster than the median wage, making homes out of reach for the majority of the population
 
The way I read it was that since Chinese factories are refining less copper, demand shrinks. Copper producers have to sell copper at a lower price since they want to get rid of their oversupply. They are also selling it to a smaller number of buyers, as China takes up 80% of copper refineries.

Now, even though demand for copper has decreased, the demand for products that use copper has not decreased. In fact, that demand may rise. Domestic manufacturers can profit from this, but consumers can face higher prices as a result.

Essentially, the raw input costs less, but the externalities of producing domestically will lead to a higher prices for the output.
All I hear is that China was sucking up copper to make cheap shit which was just another way to keep the US from making competitively priced goods.

The price of raw materials going down is a good thing for consumers across the board and will generally soften the blow of tariffs especially if we see an influx of Americans competing to grab that market share that's now economically viable to pursue.

Goods that consumers have access to will both go UP in utility (longer lasting, better at what they do, less likely to poison your child, etc.) thus justifying a higher price or the price of the goods will go down as American manufacturers figure out how to exploit cheaper raw materials to make more sales now that it's economically viable.
 
Don’t get me started. We began falsifying gdp data to compete with china’s falsification of gdp data.. or at least the practice overlaps.

But blind faith in official statistics is what caused the average redditor today to think that domestic manufacturing will crash the economy.. because even imports, which are a net revenue outflow, make line go up when democrats want it to

In other Drumpf DRUMPF DRUUUUUUMPF cheetoh flavored orange man bad news:

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Despite that the standard of living has dropped off a cliff, more people are living in poverty than ever before and ever major U.S city is drowning under a pile of rotting garbage and feral drug addicts.

Major American cities were massive shitholes in 1990 and weren't actually nice until the end of the decade, after Rudy Giuliani and various imitators started throwing niggers in prison, telling bums they couldn't panhandle downtown, and stripping the business licenses from places that let gangs use them as hangouts.

Also, a massive flood of illegal aliens is skewing the statistics. We now have 10-20 million poor illiterates from the third world crammed into slums and tiny apartments, while we had only a fraction of that in 1990. It's not that things are fantastic now, but in 1990, we were 75% white, while today, it's down to 60%. The "average person" in the USA is browner every year, thanks to the twin combo of Hart-Cellar and zero-enforcement immigration policy, which also means they're dumber, more violent, and less employable. Point being that the "average white person" hasn't seen as much decline as the "average person."
 
Major American cities were massive shitholes in 1990
Man, Boston was so fucking dystopian when I was a kid

Where the Zakum bridge is now used to be the triple decker central artery from the Eisenhower interstate project. It was like the episode of the Simpson where Mr Burns blocks out the sun with a giant metal disk. Step out of north station and into the shittiest perpetual dark blade runner clone with the worst possible accents and a sports bar called “The Penalty Box,” like it’s encouraging you to get drunk and punch someone

Which is also interesting on account of the neighborhood called The Combat Zone


Actually that sounds better than the whole fucking thing turning into China town like it is now, and I’ve come back to nostalgia
 
Exactly, turning the other cheek really means be the bigger man when someone insults you, especially for your religion, which was vital at the time when Christianity was heavily mocked and is still widely in practice today. It’s the fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity. Christians are supposed to rise above insults and minor offenses, Muslims will murder you for doodling a face.
But it was never meant to say “don’t defend yourself.” Jesus’s apostles carried swords, and Christians have never been taught to avoid self defense when facing harm or threats. It all boils down to more people having never read the Bible
modern day christiansare cowards who are terrified one small slip up will jeopardize their shot at eternal happiness, and are so desperate to get to heaventhey will literally allow their family to get butchered because killing is a sin. Wanton murder IS a sin, killing to protect yourselfand your family isnt. Another reason they never defend themselves is that dying for your faith makes you a martyr and that means they go to heaven. Why do you think so many missionarys go to the most hostile places? Death means getting into heaven!! Im not against christians or christianity as a whole, but modern christians are incapable of getting their hands dirty to do the right thing.
Are they outsourcing their lying to boomers now?
Ironic considering boomers are retards.
 
The Trump Voters Who Like What They See
The Atlantic (archive.ph)
By Elaine Godfrey
2025-04-30 12:19:48GMT

“Even if they don’t agree with everything he’s doing, he’s doing something.”
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Earlier this month, after it became clear that the Trump administration would not be facilitating the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from a Salvadoran megaprison, I texted a close childhood friend. He’d voted for Donald Trump in each of the past three presidential elections, and I asked for his evaluation. “Trump might be taking it too far,” my friend replied. “But then again,” he added, “he’s a man of action and we wanted change.”

Someday in the future, historians might well point to April 2025 as the first sign of an enduring erosion in Trump’s popular support. In just the first week of this month, America witnessed another mass expulsion of federal workers, in this case from several health agencies, followed by a tariff rollout that sent 401(k)s plunging like a Six Flags log flume. Even with stocks partially rebounding, feedback from riders has not been great for the president: Poll after poll has registered a drop in overall support for Trump, with many voters citing economic uncertainty. Trump’s numbers on immigration, long a strength of his, are also beginning to slip. Another recent survey suggests that Trump has the lowest approval rating of any newly elected president in at least 70 years.

But even as Trump’s critics cheer the apparent change of heart among some of his supporters, they face an inconvenient reality: Many of his voters are jubilant. For these happy millions, the first 100 days of Trump’s second presidency have been a procession of fulfilled campaign promises—and have brought the country not to the precipice of economic ruin or democratic collapse, but to a golden age of greatness. They see Trump as ushering in a new era of action, according to my conversations with several Trump supporters and pollsters in recent days. “Even if they don’t agree with everything he’s doing, he’s doing something, and something is better than nothing,” Rich Thau, the president of the nonpartisan qualitative-research firm Engagious, told me.

Despite the relentless stream of shocking deportation stories—Abrego Garcia; the Venezuelan makeup artist; the Honduran child with Stage 4 cancer—many Trump voters see the president’s handling of immigration as a highlight. The new administration says that ICE has so far carried out 66,000 deportations, a rate that is lower than that of previous administrations but that is partly the result of historically low border crossings.

“It’s a night-and-day difference” from the Biden administration, Ben Cadet, a 24-year-old college student from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, told me. Cadet voted for Joe Biden in 2020 but switched to Trump in 2024, partly because he felt that Democrats had moved too far left and partly because he thought that Biden simply hadn’t done enough to address illegal immigration. Trump’s “immediate action is something I would have appreciated from a Democrat,” he said. In the early days of the new administration, Cadet regularly called a friend to discuss Trump’s executive orders on immigration, foreign policy, and “the culture war,” he told me. The two would joke that they should cancel their Netflix subscriptions and tune in to Trump instead “because watching everything he does is kind of hilarious.”

Read: Donald Trump is very busy

Thau, who conducts monthly focus groups of swing voters who supported Biden in 2020 and Trump in 2024, told me that half of the participants in any given group cannot name a single thing that Biden achieved while in office. For many of them, the past 100 days—including Trump’s deportations but also his tariffs, reams of executive orders, college shakedowns, and targeting of the political press—have seemed like “an incredible flurry of activity by comparison to the guy who came before,” whom they’d already considered old, infirm, and not really in charge. “I see a lot of politicians that they run and say a lot of things they’re going to do, and they don’t do any of them,” a woman named Mary told Thau in one of his recent focus groups about Trump (Thau identifies participants by their first name only). “But I see him, and I approve.”

If Democrats want to win back voters they lost to Trump, it would help them to first comprehend his appeal. That appears to be the conceit of the Working Class Project, a series of focus groups recently launched by the super PAC American Bridge 21st Century that attempt to understand why working-class voters have left the Democratic Party. In one of those recent focus groups, a Latino voter in New Jersey described his feelings this way: “Trump just puts his foot down, and whatever he says, it just happens.” My own interviews reflected a similar sentiment. “How many presidents have tried to implement everything they said they wanted to accomplish instead of backpedaling?” Timothy Hance, a 34-year-old manufacturing assembler from Ottumwa, Iowa, told me.

For some Trump voters, this yearning for action makes them willing to indulge more authoritarian impulses. Self-identified MAGA Republicans are about twice as likely as Americans overall to say that detaining legal residents by mistake is “acceptable,” according to a new CBS poll. And although most of the Trump supporters I interviewed were not keen on the possibility of sending American citizens convicted of crimes to jail in another country, as Trump has suggested he might do, one voter liked the idea. “They’re hardened criminals. If we can’t put them to death, the humane thing would be for us to send them away,” Hance told me. (He also suggested that Trump should plow through the court orders from “activist judges” holding up deportations. “It’s like, just do it,” Hance said. “Ignore them.”)

For the many Americans who are happy right now, Trump’s tariffs represent another exciting paradigm shift. “The dream of globalism is going by the wayside,” Joe Marazzo, a 29-year-old property manager from Jacksonville, Florida, told me. “It might not work, but at least we’re trying something.” Sure, the president has retreated from his original plan to slap enormous import taxes on 90 countries, including the winged populace of Heard Island and McDonald Islands. But the still-high tariffs on Chinese goods are an important course correction and worth any discomfort they might cause, some Trump supporters say. “It’ll take a year. You can’t build car plants in two days,” Jerry Helmer, the chair of the Sauk County Republican Party, in Wisconsin, told me. Theodore John Fitzgerald, the leader of a pro-Trump grassroots group in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, likened the short-term pain from the tariffs to subsisting on ramen noodles in college—or switching to a healthier diet. “I have diabetes,” Fitzgerald told me. “There’s a little pain and suffering to make sure I don’t lose any more toes.”

Read: The Trump voters who are losing patience

Some of Trump’s staunchest defenders acknowledged to me that they might reassess their loyalty if a forthcoming trade war results in an untenable increase in their cost of living. Others, though, said that they find it difficult to even fathom such a red line. “My hobby is hot-air ballooning,” Hance, from Iowa, told me with a chuckle. He’d rethink his support for Trump “if that was banned.”

Of course, Trump and his Republican allies cannot afford to make appeals to only their most ardent supporters. Not everyone is interested in the belt-cinching that tariffs might require. Overall, Americans are unhappy with the nation’s economy, and 59 percent of the public now say that Trump has made economic conditions worse, according to a CNN survey released on Monday. “Even folks who like him and think that he has good ideas tell us in focus groups that they hope they don’t have to pay a lot in tariffs,” Margie Omero, a pollster at the Democratic research firm GBAO, told me. In a recent focus group that Omero conducted of 13 independents who had voted for Trump in the 2024 election, most participants gave the president a B or C grade, although none of them regretted their vote.

With roughly 1,300 days left in Trump’s presidency, many of his critics are hopeful that his recent dip in approval marks an inflection point, like the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan that sparked Biden’s own backslide in public esteem. Communication is key to keeping Trump’s unfavorables high, Omero told me. “Some voters still aren’t getting the message” about Trump’s actions, she said. Many Americans believe that Trump has been too aggressive with his use of executive power, and in order to defeat him and his political allies, Omero argued, Trump’s opponents need to help more Americans understand “that what he’s doing is unprecedented and is going against the Court.”

Omero is right that many Americans probably haven’t paid much attention to the details of Trump’s first 100 days. But it’s also true that, if and when they eventually tune in, some of them are going to like what they hear.
 
Just a reminder to anyone freaking out about the economy: The definition of a recession was changed in 2022 just so the system could say "Don't believe your lying eyes and ears, peasants."

Their sperging about the economy is worthless.
Double posting i know, my bad.
Their brainwashing worked. Since most boomers will more than likely vote blue to punish Drumfpt for DARING to threaten their 401ks. They have more vintage cars and homes to scoop up, after all.
 
Major American cities were massive shitholes in 1990 and weren't actually nice until the end of the decade, after Rudy Giuliani and various imitators started throwing niggers in prison, telling bums they couldn't panhandle downtown, and stripping the business licenses from places that let gangs use them as hangouts.

Also, a massive flood of illegal aliens is skewing the statistics. We now have 10-20 million poor illiterates from the third world crammed into slums and tiny apartments, while we had only a fraction of that in 1990. It's not that things are fantastic now, but in 1990, we were 75% white, while today, it's down to 60%. The "average person" in the USA is browner every year, thanks to the twin combo of Hart-Cellar and zero-enforcement immigration policy, which also means they're dumber, more violent, and less employable. Point being that the "average white person" hasn't seen as much decline as the "average person."
What's sort of interesting is that, in some cases, immigrants (legal ones) helped clean up cities. In Boston, Chinese immigrants in Chinatown got sick of all the madness in the Combat Zone (Boston's red light district) and many of them worked to clean it up. More policing in the 90's was ultimately the first rung of fixing crime spirals in a number of cities. Liberals don't want to admit it, but there were so many areas that no one could go to because of all the crime that police didn't clean up. It wasn't until the areas became safe that they could redevelop.
 
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