Canada is a failed state

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

the feds would, according to their own laws, be required to pay us hundreds of billions of dollars when we leave.

I wish I possessed your unbridled optimism. The instant Ottawa realized that they owed Alberta money, they would quickly remove that clause. In America, Maryland passed a law removing the statute of limitations on suing for child sexual abuse. This law was intended to break the Catholic Church in Maryland, and it did. However, it was discovered that Maryland would be sued for billions of dollars in damages as well- so the state amended the law to limit their liability. This amendment was passed and signed in two days. I see no reason why Ottawa would act differently. They also may also spitefully demand money before allowing Alberta to leave- assuming they don't just say "lmao no" and send in the army (or whatever passes for it these days).
Edited because I forgot the capital of Canukistan

 

[etcetcetc]

The real problem will come from the cities, whose population has exploded with Eastern transplants and Jeets imported into the West. They will fight and vote to stay on the gravy train because Blue is Bad!! I can tell you for sure the current Priemer is open to seperation although she is more interested using it to threaten Ottawa then the actual act but it's a start.

That is why it has to get far, far worse. It needs to get so bad as for the gov't to be unable to fulfill the gravy train. There needs to be a crash that makes the Great Depression look like a cake walk, unfortunately it'll just be a very slow crash that seems as if it'll tip into a big crash at any moment. Only to just continually be this slow and gradual crash, always getting worse and never getting better.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

That is why it has to get far, far worse. It needs to get so bad as for the gov't to be unable to fulfill the gravy train. There needs to be a crash that makes the Great Depression look like a cake walk, unfortunately it'll just be a very slow crash that seems as if it'll tip into a big crash at any moment. Only to just continually be this slow and gradual crash, always getting worse and never getting better.

With Carney running the show, not just advising or governing a federal bank? I give it 6 months.

 

[quaawaa]

"They both hated Trump and it was the one that hated Trump, I think, the least that won. I actually think the Conservative hated me much more than the so-called Liberal":

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[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Rudy is such a sperg, but its uncanny how his drug fueled theory on the breakup of Canada is fully on schedule and all according to plan.

His drug is fueling his clarity.

I want some too b

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

What happens when Albertans vote to leave the Federation and it passes but Ottawa throws up an impossible barrier is anyone guess.

My take on this is that Ottawa would have no real teeth if Alberta erected the fabled wall to ensure its own autonomy. What are they going to do? Invade us with a demoralized and chronically underfunded/equipped military to force back in. Even if that happened, would the US stand to have that happen in their back yard? One possibility would be for the Yanks to use their diplomatic clout to force Ottawa to the negotiation table and act as mediator, utterly humiliating Canada in the process. Some spergs are screaming "b-b-but, treaty lands!" Again, they need to have the ability to back it up. Minority rights are highly abstract in nature and only exist with the consent of the majority. Take that away and they have nothing. Additionally, why not offer them a better deal? Ottawa screwed over First Nations enough that they should consider going along for the ride.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

My take on this is that Ottawa would have no real teeth if Alberta erected the fabled wall to ensure its own autonomy. What are they going to do? Invade us with a demoralized and chronically underfunded/equipped military to force back in. Even if that happened, would the US stand to have that happen in their back yard? One possibility would be for the Yanks to use their diplomatic clout to force Ottawa to the negotiation table and act as mediator, utterly humiliating Canada in the process. Some spergs are screaming "b-b-but, treaty lands!" Again, they need to have the ability to back it up. Minority rights are highly abstract in nature and only exist with the consent of the majority. Take that away and they have nothing. Additionally, why not offer them a better deal? Ottawa screwed over First Nations enough that they should consider going along for the ride.

Alberta actually already has a memo of understanding that the US would provide protection for us in the event of an attack upon declaring independence, but I am not the one who told you.

Also, as to the native issue, the Indian Act was frozen in carbonite by Pierre Trudeau, creating the current apartheid and handout system. All Treaties were to be completed with the reserve lands of each band divided among their members, who would become normalized subjects of the Crown. When Pierre realized how easily their votes could be bought by keeping them poor and ignorant, he put through an amendment that stopped the clock on it and branded anyone who opposed preserving the whole warped system as racist. Essentially, Alberta would have to renegotiate things with each Treaty, but would also be in a position of offering them far greater freedom and opportunity than the feds allow them now.

 

[mindlessobserver]

His drug is fueling his clarity.

I want some too b

He was taking the spice melange all along

 

[Betonhaus]

If you join the USA you will have lots of ports.

Going it alone would be an easier sell and we have been working on it for some time. We always have the option to join later but it may not prove necessary

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

My take on this is that Ottawa would have no real teeth if Alberta erected the fabled wall to ensure its own autonomy. What are they going to do? Invade us with a demoralized and chronically underfunded/equipped military to force back in. Even if that happened, would the US stand to have that happen in their back yard? One possibility would be for the Yanks to use their diplomatic clout to force Ottawa to the negotiation table and act as mediator, utterly humiliating Canada in the process. Some spergs are screaming "b-b-but, treaty lands!" Again, they need to have the ability to back it up. Minority rights are highly abstract in nature and only exist with the consent of the majority. Take that away and they have nothing. Additionally, why not offer them a better deal? Ottawa screwed over First Nations enough that they should consider going along for the ride.

Ottawa will have to do something. They just couldn't stand by and let the whole prymid scheme that is Canada come crashing down. The elites will not let the cash cow go easily, they will do whatever they have to to keep the grift flowing.

I do think a Liberal PM wouldn't have much of an issue threaten and then sending in the CAF to enforce his will. Trudy set a really bad precedent when he used the War Act to deal with some protesters and lets be honest most Liberal voters would cheer on Ottawa tackling those dirty oily rednecks at long last. If it happens soon do you think Mr Bank of Canada, Mr Laurtine Elite himself would have any moral qualms about bringing the boot down on Western Canada if push came to shove?

The East/West divide is much harsher then people think just because it doesn't come up a lot but ask someone from Ontario what they really think of Alberta and you'd probably be surprised at the venom.

Remember the weaker their hand the more overt and aggressive the stance a Liberal will take. Just look at the tariff thing and how aggressive Trudy was with Trump. Canada doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to fighting the US tariff's but the Liberals were and still are cheering on "striking back" at the US even though it will cripple the Canadian economy overnight and destroy them personally but yet they keep pushing for it because they are that far gone into TDS.

Never ever ever underestimate the lengths the average Liberal supporter will go to to prove he's right. They will cut off their own noses just to spite their face and then cheer about how brave and stunning they are.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

They can declare martial law again but this time against 5 million people instead of several thousand.

 

[Purple Francis]

If Alberta does a referendum to leave they'll make a big stink about it, campaign loudly and in your face, but get cold feet over pulling the trigger and vote no.

Submitting to a falling empire won't solve Canada's problems and is the most cucked solution possible. Honestly I don't know what will. We're in a catch 22 of labour being devalued so we need brown slaves to keep the lights on, and the brown slaves devaluing labour. Our economy, like Australia's, is largely propped up by extracting resources and selling them. While labour is devalued its not low enough to enourage local fabrication outside of boutique businesses. High taxes sucks, but honestly I don't mind it when the social services they pay for are fast, numerous and quality. That's no longer the case, the value proposition hasn't been there for about 5-10 years.

If we stay the course it gets worse. If we radically change course things will get rapidly worse, but could get better down the line. Easiest thing Canada can do is invest in nuclear. If we get off fossil fuels for load level generation then we got more dino juice to sell, and it'll generate a fuckload of jobs. We should also be making nukes, no country big or small can hope to exist peacefully without a nuclear arsenal.

 

[Hokuriku]

I do think a Liberal PM wouldn't have much of an issue threaten and then sending in the CAF to enforce his will.

A lot of Canada's most important air bases are in the prairies, so that has the potential to be very funny and/or awkward.

 

[orangecat]

If she's willing to forgive her attacker, she's going to end up like that Leftist guy who got stabbed in the heart.

There's a big difference between forgiving someone (so you don't dwell on it yourself and let it pull you down) vs. being a complete idiot and never being cautious despite what happened.

There needs to be a crash that makes the Great Depression look like a cake walk

Unfortunately, that would just result in the media telling the sheep that "this isn't really a depression because we changed the definition". Just like how we're totally not in a recession in North America right now.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

If Alberta does a referendum to leave they'll make a big stink about it, campaign loudly and in your face, but get cold feet over pulling the trigger and vote no.

Submitting to a falling empire won't solve Canada's problems and is the most cucked solution possible. Honestly I don't know what will. We're in a catch 22 of labour being devalued so we need brown slaves to keep the lights on, and the brown slaves devaluing labour. Our economy, like Australia's, is largely propped up by extracting resources and selling them. While labour is devalued its not low enough to enourage local fabrication outside of boutique businesses. High taxes sucks, but honestly I don't mind it when the social services they pay for are fast, numerous and quality. That's no longer the case, the value proposition hasn't been there for about 5-10 years.

If we stay the course it gets worse. If we radically change course things will get rapidly worse, but could get better. Easiest thing Canada can do is invest in nuclear. If we get off fossil fuels for load level generation then we got more dino juice to sell, and it'll generate a fuckload of jobs. We should also be making nukes, no country big or small can hope to exist peacefully without a nuclear arsenal.

Anyone who thinks an Alberta referendum would fail is an idiot.

The vote to pull out of the Transfer Fund was over 80% in favour of economically pulling out of confederation. Full secession is only a hair further than that.

 

[Purple Francis]

Anyone who thinks an Alberta referendum would fail is an idiot.

The vote to pull out of the Transfer Fund was over 80% in favour of economically pulling out of confederation. Full secession is only a hair further than that.

Quebec has repeated this song and dance over and over, with much stronger convictions, better reasons for maintaining social cohesion, and more blood in the game than Alberta, but hasn't.

Then again quebcois are smarter than albertans so maybe they really will be retarded enough to press the big red "get raped by israels vassal state" button.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Never ever ever underestimate the lengths the average Liberal supporter will go to to prove he's right. They will cut off their own noses just to spite their face and then cheer about how brave and stunning they are.

I don't. A normie, Liberal-voting from of mine keeps using "betrayal" as a buzzword to describe American tariffs and honest-to-god believes that we can pivot to the UK/EU/East Asia as a quick replacement for lost American trade. All I can do is mentally ask myself, "is he even listening to himself?" The UK and western in a similar, if not more advanced state of society decay than Canada. The UK and France may be nuclear powers, but even their combined arsenals a minuscule compared to America, plus Uncle Sam has been doing much of the heavy lifting for NATO since its inception and even more so after the Cold War ended. They somehow believe that Europe will come riding to the rescue when it is far more likely that they will sit it out than incur the Americans' wrath.

So it is also imperative to never underestimate the ignorance of an urbanized Liberal supporter.

 

[Hokuriku]

Quebec has repeated this song and dance over and over, with much stronger convictions, better reasons for maintaining social cohesion, and more blood in the game than Alberta, but hasn't.

Quebec has billions of reasons each and every year to stay in Canada, and even then it led to them eking out a 1% swing in a referendum. Cash is king and AB is the one holding it all.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Quebec has repeated this song and dance over and over, with much stronger convictions, better reasons for maintaining social cohesion, and more blood in the game than Alberta, but hasn't.

Then again quebcois are smarter than albertans so maybe they really will be retarded enough to press the big red "get raped by israels vassal state" button.

If you seriously think the Quebec situation is about independence, you are wildly mistaken, and Albertans are fed up with paying the way for the rest of this shithole country while being denied rights and a voice in how it is run.

Taxation without representation was the cause of multiple revolutions in history, and is the basic situation Alberta is in within Canada.

And if you seriously think Quebecois are smarter than Albertans, just go fuck yourself.

Quebec has billions of reasons each and every year to stay in Canada, and even then it led to them eking out a 1% swing in a referendum. Cash is king and AB is the one holding it all.

The "rebate" the PQ paid out to Quebecers just before their provincial election in 2017 was exactly equal to what they received from Alberta in transfer payments for that year.

And still some people wonder why Albertans are ready to split...

 

[Purple Francis]

And if you seriously think Quebecois are smarter than Albertans, just go fuck yourself.

Quebecois maintained their culture through numerous wars and government efforts to crush them. Albertans have no culture outside of larping as mutts, to the point they have deluded themselves in to thinking they're mutts. Not even a question of who has more conviction and wrinkles in their brain. You're retarded, not sorry.