Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Tbf we saw the Death Star plans back in AOTC and it began construction at the end of ROTS (not sure what year that is) so I think Palpatine just wanted one for Sith reasons.

IMO that itself was a major mistake by Lucas. Building the death star to suppress an already existing rebellion would make IMO more sense than creating one just because he is evil.
The Andor problem of the creation of the death star causing the rebellion is the bigger problem I have though. Its generally a story weakness that so much of the story justification for the rebellion is related to the creation of the death star.
 
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It's fine I also like Andor.
Always two, there are!

Was it shot in a way that it can easily be removed by Chinese censors?
It lasts a couple of seconds and nothing plot critical is happening in the background. Throughout the episode, the fact they're in love is pretty apparent even if you dub different dialogue on it to make them friends. But yes, Chinese censors can probably scrub it pretty easily. I don't know why people are so worked up about it. Presumably because they think it is pushing an agenda. Two women making out is not in itself Woke. Woke is when it shows they're better because they're lesbians and triumphing over the hateful bigots. This is just, well, two characters in love. I hate being propagandised to as much as the next guy but that hasn't made me hate something just because it's a woman.

By accident. And it makes sense for someone to carry a blaster in the odd case some meddlers or Imperial toadies showed up.
Cinta and Vel have a whole scene where they over and over drill through the chain of command and what is and isn't allowed and part of that is very clearly them insisting on nobody else having blasters and making him agree to that. He directly disobeyed and secretly went back on what he'd publicly agreed to. So yes, it's on him.

Just to check, you are actually watching this show you're critiquing, right? I just want to be sure I'm not debating with someone who likes to argue about something they're not even watching.

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Entirely your choice, but you can buy a subscription for a month and the whole show will be out before the end of May so it's around $10 and then cancel. If you're inclined.

I can see why hardcore and Old School fans of SW may have things they don't like about it. There aren't lots of strange aliens and there's no hint of the Force as yet. It's very unashamedly trying to do a more grounded and realistic take on the setting. But I happen to enjoy that and I think it's very well written. One thing I very much like is that it doesn't hit you over the head with explanations and characters are able to talk in subtext and the audience is assumed to be smart enough to understand it. That's a refreshing change these days.

IMO that itself was a major mistake by Lucas. Building the death star to suppress an already existing rebellion would make IMO more sense than creating one just because he is evil.
Palpatine is the very definition of a long-term planner and I think he always knew that as he pushed harder and harder for "UNLIMITED POWER" resistance would grow stronger. As a Sith, there's no such thing as causing too much fear. He always planned to dissolve the senate and rule through full autocratic power. The ability to destroy an entire world in the blink of an eye puts him on a level far beyond just military supremacy.

The Andor problem of the creation of the death star causing the rebellion is the bigger problem I have though. Its generally a story weakness that so much of the story justification for the rebellion is related to the creation of the death star.
I may be missing something. I don't see Andor as saying the construction fo the Death Star causes the rebellion. There are already rebellions going on at the time of Andor. What there isn't, is the Rebel Alliance. So for example we see Saw Guerrera refusing to work with another group because he or they is a "New Republican" and that's a different political ideology than his.

I believe Andor is simply going with Leia's original statement of "the tighter you close your fist the more star systems will slip through your fingers". In fact, Luthen deliberately provokes the Empire into an over-reaction precisely to build support for the rebels.

As an aside, Deedra and Syril are now my favourite screen couple.
 
Cinta and Vel have a whole scene where they over and over drill through the chain of command and what is and isn't allowed and part of that is very clearly them insisting on nobody else having blasters and making him agree to that. He directly disobeyed and secretly went back on what he'd publicly agreed to. So yes, it's on him.
It still makes sense why he disobeyed that order, considering the circumstances. If an Imp agent showed up to stop them, and they had no man with a blaster, they'd be screwed.

Blindly obeying orders can also get people killed.
 
It still makes sense why he disobeyed that order, considering the circumstances. If an Imp agent showed up to stop them, and they had no man with a blaster, they'd be screwed.
But they did - they had two people with blasters. People who actually knew what they were doing as opposed to a kid who was inexperienced with firearms. And this is explicit. Why are you sticking to this point since it's made very clear in the show that he's not supposed to be armed and someone dies because he overestimates himself when the people in charge have made very clear he's only allowed on the mission on the condition he follows their lead. Now I notice you didn't answer my question - are you actually watching this show or are you one of those people who just tries to argue over something they haven't seen?
 
But they did - they had two people with blasters. People who actually knew what they were doing as opposed to a kid who was inexperienced with firearms. And this is explicit. Why are you sticking to this point since it's made very clear in the show that he's not supposed to be armed and someone dies because he overestimates himself when the people in charge have made very clear he's only allowed on the mission on the condition he follows their lead. Now I notice you didn't answer my question - are you actually watching this show or are you one of those people who just tries to argue over something they haven't seen?
I did. But two people with blasters isn't enough. Especially since these are transports going to an Imperial facility that, if rumor is to be believed, is going to be a fortress. At that point, I'd have at least 4-6 people with blasters given the stake.

I mean, WE know why the Empire left the transports mostly unguarded, but the Ghormans don't. For all they know, there could be an ambush party waiting for them, and two blasters would hardly be enough.
 
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I don't get why y'all are talking badly about this arc, it was great. We got to #BuryTheGays and GOT RID OF THE PAJEET! #KIWIBROSCAN'TSTOPWINNING

Oh, and they turned the one black rebel guy into someone who fucking inhales petrol fumes to get high.

Plus Gorman is French now and the sigma Tarkin used his shuttle to crush the French.

10/10 true cinema
 
I did. But two people with blasters isn't enough.
But it demonstrably was given that there was only a single shot fired in the entire operation and it was the guy who thought he knew better than the people running it and went against their explicit orders that he wasn't to have one. And he shot at a civilian in a panic. If that civilian had continued past him he'd have come to one of the people who knew how to handle the situation and got rid of him again.

The reason I keep asking if you're actually watching this show is because everything I'm saying is right there on screen and you're arguing by your own headcannons "two people with blasters isn't enough" and "I'd have at least 4-6 people with blasters" when this clearly contradicts the fact that their plan worked fine with the one exception of the guy who disobeyed orders and was only allowed on the team on the condition he do as he's told and that he doesn't qualify for a firearm. Your entire argument is that you know better about a fictional heist than the characters in the show that are shown successfully pulling it off. Which is a weird and obviously flawed argument.

So you are watching the show? And you watched this episode fully? Because your phrasing is a little vague.
 
when this clearly contradicts the fact that their plan worked fine with the one exception of the guy who disobeyed orders and was only allowed on the team on the condition he do as he's told and that he doesn't qualify for a firearm.
Now you're the one who sounds like they didn't watch the show.

Need I remind you that the only reason their plan "worked" was because the Empire wanted them to win? The Imperials even had the corpo-cop watching from a distance to make sure they did.

If the Empire didn't want them to win, you can bet your ass that transport would've had enough Troopers guarding it or waiting in ambush position to the point where 2 blasters won't be enough. And the Ghormans didn't know the Empire was setting them up. So it makes sense to be armed.

I mean, for fuck's sake, some random officer taking a census on a farm had an entire platoon watching his back. You can bet your ass that if this wasn't a setup, transports filled with guns going to an Imperial fortress complex in a wealthy and influential world would have their own armed escorts.
 
Now you're the one who sounds like they didn't watch the show.
Please answer my question in simple and clear terms: Are you watching this show and did you watch this episode. It's a fair question, no?

If the Empire didn't want them to win, you can bet your ass that transport would've had enough Troopers guarding it to the point where 2 blasters won't be enough. And the Ghormans didn't know the Empire was setting them up. So it makes sense to be armed.
And if it did, handing out a bunch of firearms to a bunch of inexperienced people who have mainly been handing out pamphlets and eavesdropping so far, is not going to be a great idea. You would be a terrible rebel leader since you don't seem to understand the actual goals. The whole thing was planned that if compromised, they had multiple exit routes and would immediately abandon mission and escape. To which you're now itching to reply with more head-cannon about how you would run a rebel operation! All because you want it to not be the fault of the guy who disobeyed orders, panicked and shot someone with the gun he was told he wasn't allowed to have.
 
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And there's little to nothing involving an actual religion or philosophy to them
I believe that they're based on the Jewish diaspora, which explains a lot.
There aren't lots of strange aliens and there's no hint of the Force as yet.
Just give me a Rodian man, hell I'll even take a Gran at this point.
 
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Please answer my question in simple and clear terms: Are you watching this show and did you watch this episode. It's a fair question, no?
No shit, I watched it.

And if it did, handing out a bunch of firearms to a bunch of inexperienced people who have mainly been handing out pamphlets and eavesdropping so far, is not going to be a great idea. You would be a terrible rebel leader since you don't seem to understand the actual goals. The whole thing was planned that if compromised, they had multiple exit routes and would immediately abandon mission and escape. To which you're now itching to reply with more head-cannon about how you would run a rebel operation! All because you want it to not be the fault of the guy who disobeyed orders, panicked and shot someone with the gun he was told he wasn't allowed to have.
And if the Imperials weren't giving the Rebels a free pass, two idiots with blasters would hardly be a deterrent. At least 4-6 idiots with blasters would be a challenge to a typical Imperial squad of army troopers or Stormtroopers.
 
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Just give me a Rodian man, hell I'll even take a Gran at this point.
There was something at a party that at first glance I thought was a Gran but when they showed it closer it looked different and I don't think it was.

It's quite notable that none of the aliens seem to be aliens from the original or common Star Wars media. There are aliens about, albeit rather sparsely amongst the humans, but no Twi'leks, no Rodians, no wookies or other "staples". Which is strange. I think I saw one of the ice-creatures from that moon of Pandora Pantera Pantaloon... that planet with the blue people (not Chiss). But that's about it.
 
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Excuse me sir. I have read your arguments about preferring to eat rat shit when the rat has been fed an all grain diet and agree there are advantages, however you cannot tell me that varied tastes and texture from free-range rat shit is not superior.

Also, anyone wanting to stuff their face with fresh rat shit is absolutely mad. The crunch from rat shit that has been aged and slightly roasted is true way of the enlightened rat shit consumer, much better than the mushy texture of fresh.

But no, let’s keep complaining about the existence of lesbians and melanated individuals in a galaxy far, far away. That’s sustained this thread for 3000+ pages!
I mean it has.

Entirely your choice, but you can buy a subscription for a month and the whole show will be out before the end of May so it's around $10 and then cancel. If you're inclined.
At least we're not maintaining the "I'm pirating it" fiction anymore.
 
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At least we're not maintaining the "I'm pirating it" fiction anymore.
Don't think this is directed at me specifically but in case it was because you quoted me, I've never said that. Just tbc.

I'd it were the one in Saw's group then that was a Rogue 1 original, which are much more in line with OT designs that the sequelshite you see everywhere else.
You're probably right. I just looked up the creatures (and turns out the world is called neither Pandora nor Pantera, but Pantora). Yes, it's different.
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So this remains quite the oddity as we're now half-way into the second season and I can't recall ever seeing one of the classic aliens in it. Has to be a reason for that.

As stated, I like the show. I think it's very well-written, I like that it actually uses subtlety and I like that there are a lot more mature actors in it. There are very few characters under 30, even. But I can see why with a dearth (Darth?) of recognisable aliens, no Force, a different tone, some people very passionate about Star Wars don't feel it fits.
 
And if the Imperials weren't giving the Rebels a free pass, two idiots with blasters would hardly be a deterrent. At least 4-6 idiots with blasters would be a challenge to a typical Imperial squad of army troopers or Stormtroopers.
The point of the raid was to get in and out without any complications. Cinta and Vel know that the Ghormans are untrained. While additional arms may help, we saw what happened with untrained users.

The Empire wanted to keep appearances that the transport was carrying normal items for building the new complex. Having soldiers present would prove that there is something military-level in the transport.

The Empire wants the Ghormans to appear rebellious. Now they can blast propaganda that the thieving Ghormans have stolen Imperial property and had built up an armed resistance movement before the raid.

Looks like the Empire is going to have to establish a garrison on Ghorman. Two decades under benevolent Imperial oversight and what have they done? Blocked landing zones for Imperial officials, murdered government workers, and preparing for conflict. Sure they make good clothing but that can’t make up for such overbearing hostility.
 
The Empire wanted to keep appearances that the transport was carrying normal items for building the new complex. Having soldiers present would prove that there is something military-level in the transport.
The Empire and the Ghormans both know what's going on. I don't think they're even trying to keep up appearances when the new Imperial complex is going to rise over the monument to the Tarkin massacre, and the contents of the transports are classified. They're openly rubbing salt on the wound; that's causing the Ghormans to go bananas. It's the opposite of keeping up appearances; they're openly daring the Ghormans to attack.

Looks like the Empire is going to have to establish a garrison on Ghorman. Two decades under benevolent Imperial oversight and what have they done? Blocked landing zones for Imperial officials, murdered government workers, and preparing for conflict. Sure they make good clothing but that can’t make up for such overbearing hostility.
That, and the media spin doctors have already succeeded in turning the average Joe against them, if Syril's mother is any indication. So when the crackdown starts, most of the galaxy either won't care or might even approve. Mon Mothma will have to be the voice of defiance against what's happening.
 
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