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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
We're definitely heading for some kind of constitutional crisis in the next election, unless Conservatives agree not to run in certain seats or their votes collapse so badly that it's irrelevant. I can see Labour or Reform winning a majority with something like 26% of the total vote.
No doubt, by 2029, all of this will be irrelevant, just like the 2019 election, meaning nothing.
 
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Reform is incredibly well-organised in specific areas. The kind of ground-swell and established local support here are footholds, meaning the longer Reform have this momentum the harder it'll be to dethrone them or for the Tories to claw back these losses.

Farage's usual shtick is to fly the bat symbol every few years to get some feet to shift and vote for him. Death by a thousand cuts and delegitimising seems to be the game here. There's so much bullshit about Reform being untested in local government, yet nobody is mentioning that the Reform councillors are heavily ex-Tory. Some of them even ex-Tory councillors or MPs (Andrea Jenkyns is literally a mayor now).

I have a feeling we'll have a slew of defections to Reform in the next few weeks. A few councillors, a fuck load of the grassroots memberships and if we're lucky, we'll get an MP defecting.

The Tory response to this has been so on-brand, too. A few weeks ago, Badenoch was saying how local Tory council leaders could make deals with Reform. Right after, Jenrick positioned himself and now you've got the Tory co-chair ruling out any kind of partnership or deals. At what point do the last remaining Tories just give in?
 
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Reform is incredibly well-organised in specific areas. The kind of ground-swell and established local support here are footholds, meaning the longer Reform have this momentum the harder it'll be to dethrone them or for the Tories to claw back these losses.

Farage's usual shtick is to fly the bat symbol every few years to get some feet to shift and vote for him. Death by a thousand cuts and delegitimising seems to be the game here. There's so much bullshit about Reform being untested in local government, yet nobody is mentioning that the Reform councillors are heavily ex-Tory. Some of them even ex-Tory councillors or MPs (Andrea Jenkyns is literally a mayor now).

I have a feeling we'll have a slew of defections to Reform in the next few weeks. A few councillors, a fuck load of the grassroots memberships and if we're lucky, we'll get an MP defecting.

The Tory response to this has been so on-brand, too. A few weeks ago, Badenoch was saying how local Tory council leaders could make deals with Reform. Right after, Jenrick positioned himself and now you've got the Tory co-chair ruling out any kind of partnership or deals. At what point do the last remaining Tories just give in?
If you look at the last election, if Reform hadn't run, then Labour wouldn't have a majority. So many seats were split, with Labour getting a million fewer votes but going up 200 seats due to the split and voter apathy.
My point is that even if Labour are less popular next election, let's say their percentage goes down 5%, they can still win a majority because Conservatives and Reform are targeting the same voters and they know this.

An alliance is necessary to secure the fabric of the voting system, the country is centre right now, and it was centre right at the last election.
The idea that the country became any more "Labour" at the last election compared to the one before is a lie. It was simply Brexit/Reform going from 600k votes to 4 million, and now could get double that and still not have the most seats.
 
Can I be reminded of what Brexit has made better thus far? Which was pushed by Nigel. Understand that it's a push against the "establishment", but weren't most reformers part of the establishment at one point?

Because instead of Poles and slavs, we've got more pakis and pajeets, and I know which are more preferable.
The EU has been a club. Like all clubs, members get benefits, but also have to abide by the rules.

Some of rules of the EU are ones that the vast majority of British people like. A few of them are seen as not ones we’d choose to enforce on ourselves.

By exiting, we gain the ability to choose which we’ll keep, and which we’ll abandon.

One that is key is that we’ll gain the ability to negotiate unilateral trade agreements. Of course, there are downsides which are (in my view) much bigger, like losing the current free trade agreement with the rest of the EU. And it’s much quicker to lose that than negotiate new ones with other countries.

We also become a full sovereign nation (in theory, anyway) and no longer have to abide by the EU's draconianism.

Brexit allows Britain to build reinvigorating ties with the realms of Asia, which are going to play a leading role in the world in the coming decades; the coming dominance is going to reshape world politics because for the first time since the 1700s, the leading region of the world isn’t going to be from what is touted as the West. Asia culturally, economically, politically, and from a mercantile perspective is a very different entity than the West, and this gives Britain more leeway to plan for her future. On the whole, the UK is respected by the Asian markets and despite the 'disagreements' with China, Xi still sees the UK as more of an ally than an enemy (though we caught in the USA/Russia crossfires at times).

The second benefit is that Britain keeps out of the series of domestic conflicts that will emerge as the EU tries to evolve into an empire; a series of referendums held since 1990s have continued to indicate that a sizable figure of people do not wish for a political union of the EU. It happened when the French said non to the Maastricht treaty. It happened in 2005 again in France when the people categorically denied giving legitimacy to an EU Constitution (which was then repackaged and sold as the Treaty of Lisbon). The Republic of Ireland were made to vote twice for it, and the EU bunged RTE 8.5 million Euros to push their propaganda.

The EU is the antithesis of the USA - whereas the USA is open for business, new ideas and new ventures, the EU is not and remains stuffy and pompous towards change. You can form a company within four days in the USA, in the EU this takes 45 days and most applications get turned down because unless they can benefit you aren't allowed to either.

As for 'weren't they all once part of the establishment' - well, once upon a time, most of us were as we believed in church and state (or at least the belief that both were more beneficial than harmful). Now, the paradigm shift has changed - both have lost their standing and people have woken up to the corruption and folly in both. Since 2019, the world has changed dramatically and people will not accept being lied to and pushed about anymore and this has been seen in the UK by an outright rejection of the 'big two'. The message is 'don't you dare tell us no anymore, we will not accept!'

Yes, we are getting more Pakistanis and Indians, but let's not kid ourselves that all the Slavs are good - Romanians and Albanians in the UK can be as violent as any street-shitting Pajeet or Cardiff Choirboy, in fact they make up most of the assault and robbery statistics in London as well as a lot of the gang-on-gang warfare in major UK cities. You will get a mixture of good and bad, everywhere you go.

The main benefit of Brexit to me is showing arrogant, self-righteous, pompous and Working Class hating majority White Libtards that we can defeat them en masse and make them cry. They believed that they were untouchable and unbeatable - they found out they're not and nearly ten years on from Brexit the alignment has changed and they are now 'old hat'. Their time at the top is over and it's time for them to leave the stage.

Looking ahead, the results from the votes yesterday are now going to change everything - Starmer surely cannot stay in power for much longer, and Ellie Reeves talking out of her shitter on BBC Breakfast News about 'oh well, incumbent parties never do well with by-elections' has not helped the cause and also she got it badly wrong - just look at the by-elections since 1997, the incumbent party tends to do well (as an example, this is a list of by-election results from Tony Blair's first four years as PM, 1997-2001: https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/commons-information-office/m16.pdf).

What will happen before the July recess? Well, this month sees two recesses (one for May Bank Holiday and the other for Whitsun) and Labour will try to focus attention on its new White Paper for stopping Rapey and Stabby from coming across the channel, but with the mood of the nation now vehemently anti-Labour and fearing for their survival could we see either a leadership challenge from Rayner, Reeves, Streeting or even Burnham (the latter would have to leave his position as Mayor of Manchester and fight for a future vacant seat). There is also rumour that the anti Supreme Court pro-Trans Labour MP's could quit in order to show 'solidarity' with the Trans community, and there is pressure on them to do so - 'put up or shut up' as pro-Trans people have shouted out in recent weeks.

However, the biggest surprise/shock of all could see a snap General Election called roughly a year after the last one, if Starmer is unable to a) push through the party's manifesto plans/pledges without being scuppered by his own side and b) to fight off a rebellion and mass resignations. I would personally not rule this out as between the years 1922 and 1924 the UK had three elections (one a year) between Bonar Law, Asquith, Clynes and Lloyd George (1922), Baldwin, MacDonald and Asquith (1923, Baldwin seeking a mandate from the people to govern) and the same three gentlemen in 1924 (the Zionev letter being pivotal to this year's General Election) and the current shortest gap between General Elections is the nine month gap between the February 1974 General Election (resulting in a Hung Parliament when Heath's gamble backfired) and November 1974 with Harold Wilson winning a clear majority. Incidentally the second shortest gap between General Elections is 10 months (between the 1923 and 1924 General Elections) therefore, don't believe anybody who tells you that Labour have to and will serve five years - the Conservatives had three General Elections in four years (2015, 2017 and 2019) therefore anything is possible.

Reform UK are on the up, as are the Lib Dems and Greens, the times are changing and I believe that soon we are about to witness something very special in UK politics. It's no longer a question of 'if' but 'when'.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
 
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Reform is incredibly well-organised in specific areas. The kind of ground-swell and established local support here are footholds, meaning the longer Reform have this momentum the harder it'll be to dethrone them or for the Tories to claw back these losses.

Farage's usual shtick is to fly the bat symbol every few years to get some feet to shift and vote for him. Death by a thousand cuts and delegitimising seems to be the game here. There's so much bullshit about Reform being untested in local government, yet nobody is mentioning that the Reform councillors are heavily ex-Tory. Some of them even ex-Tory councillors or MPs (Andrea Jenkyns is literally a mayor now).

I have a feeling we'll have a slew of defections to Reform in the next few weeks. A few councillors, a fuck load of the grassroots memberships and if we're lucky, we'll get an MP defecting.

The Tory response to this has been so on-brand, too. A few weeks ago, Badenoch was saying how local Tory council leaders could make deals with Reform. Right after, Jenrick positioned himself and now you've got the Tory co-chair ruling out any kind of partnership or deals. At what point do the last remaining Tories just give in?
I’m looking forward to the nonstop coverage of Reform councils about how Reform haven’t fixed them within two weeks of being in power.
BBC decided to headline Andrea Jenkyns being an ex Greggs worker. Greggsposters keep winning.
I bet she wouldn’t have kicked us out of her Greggs for being racist.
 
Can I be reminded of what Brexit has made better thus far? Which was pushed by Nigel. Understand that it's a push against the "establishment", but weren't most reformers part of the establishment at one point?

Because instead of Poles and slavs, we've got more pakis and pajeets, and I know which are more preferable.
Brexit was popular amongst the electorate for anti-immigrant sentiments, yeah, but a large contingent of MPs in the Conservative party (Like Jacob Rees Mogg) supported it because it meant furthering business interests through decreasing regulation, not for lowering immigration figures (he opposed Theresa May's '100k a year' immigration target as being "too low"). However due to it being bungled, we essentially got no business-aligned benefits from Brexit aside from being able to negotiate independent trade deals outside the EU, otherwise no new regulations have been slashed, immigration has only climbed higher for no discernible reason (700k a year immigrants per year for ever decreasing vacancy numbers). There was also the supposed money we'd save from no longer being a member but that money just went into immigrants anyway; NHS spending went from 129 billion in 2016 to 157 billion in 2020, just for reference - we saved 18 billion a year on membership fees.

The only real benefit of Brexit is that it was, at bare minimum, a white pill that that people were getting sick of things and desired some kind of change. Similar to the local election results and Reform's polling (problems aside) it indicated a comfortable number of people want things to be different. Oh, and making Leftoids cope and seethe about why it won.

Remember this shit?
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the country is centre right now, and it was centre right at the last election.
This is a great point. Lib/Lab/Greens are stunned or shocked when it rears its head every time and delivers something like this.

These issues fuelling the same sentiment behind leaving the EU have been the same since the 80s. They're just ignored totally by the politicians and it's thrown ahead to the next election.

Immigration from the 60s? Biggest issue today.
Tories fighting about Europe and the EU? Defined a decade of British politics on two separate occasions.

These are typical, hard-working, Christian Labour areas (yes, they used to be a proudly protestant Christian party back in the good old days) with endless generations of lost people. They have no purpose, their lives keep getting worse and they get the pleasure of having to pay for it and then being told to be grateful. "Be thankful we got in otherwise your council tax would've been more, peasant."

People in places like these expect to die in the same places they were born. Voting for something like leaving the EU or staunch anti-immigration policies were essentially the same to them as chucking £1 on a scratch card. We've been conditioned as a nation to enjoy the collective schadenfreude of our benevolent masters and why not? It's bloody good fun watching a battered Tory MP on the morning radio round having to try and spin losing 60% of all councillors on LBC.

A "bloody nose" set of locals like these was not common whatsoever besides a few hundred gains or losses that'd shift between Lib/Lab/Con; losing 60% of all of your elected councillors in one single night isn't a bloody nose, it's a broken one. Now it's literally every election where both the Tories and Labour are having their noses broken consistently in the same large numbers, similar areas, similar demographics.

Politisperging and election chud posting done for now. I need a coffee, a very hot bath and an endless Wetherspoons brekkie if I'm going to tackle a full day of work on no sleep.

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Reform on pace for 60 out of 70 seats as it stands, so without question Lincolnshire will be the petri dish for Reform in government.
Usually that just means that Labour government would punish the non-Labour council by cutting budgets.

It will be interesting to see if they do/don't go ahead with the plans they announced about delegating powers to the new "super mayors" as they didn't all go Labour like the voting intention was when they started creating the positions back at the last general election. With another party getting one(or more) they can't throw huge amounts of money at the mayors to implement free bus passes and fixing potholes and other easy stuff to buy votes as Sadiq Kahn has in London with free school meals and bus passes and things, without understanding the areas they lost will implement the same stuff and gain even more vote share.
 
@Made In Wales I really appreciate your post and how detailed it was, but is there any evidence yet that we've benefited from leaving and not sucking Americas cock?
The 200+ trade deals signed independently? The ability to make our own laws and vote out the people who make them? Closer ties with Commonwealth countries which are historically very important to us. Not feeding into the EU protectionist racket? Not having to funnel our tax money into their corrupt systems.

Now, we just need to actually leave the EU and we can take full advantage.
 
There was a numb in wages, particularly in low skilled, when they couldn’t bring in Potato niggers anymore.

Then they just started importing regular ones :(
I prefer my chips to be golden, not burnt.

In an ideal world, we should be able to benefit from the pros of both the EU and America. But I know life isn't fair, and I'm fairly certain Nigel and many reformists (who may hold shares in private healthcare) want to privatise many (more) aspects of the NHS, such as much for the working-class??

I'd also rather not have hormones and steroids pumped into my meat, I'm not a tranny...afterall.
 
I'm fairly certain Nigel and many reformists (who may hold shares in private healthcare) want to privatise many (more) aspects of the NHS
If they make some money and everybody receives better healthcare, then so what?

As awful as American's health insurance system is, there's a reason why basically every major advancement in health originates from the US. Money talks.
 
If they make some money and everybody receives better healthcare, then so what?

As awful as American's health insurance system is, there's a reason why basically every major advancement in health originates from the US. Money talks.
Germany has a private insurance backed system that works better that our one.
 
I wonder what would be worse for R NHS (god bless them), some limited private sector involvement or importing millions of disease riddled wogs who've never so much as been in the same mud hut as a doctor who didn't prefix the title with "witch"?

HIV, TB, you name the third world plague and it's on the up because we've been importing carriers of it wholesale.

People are voting Reform because we want Labour and the Tories to be completely destroyed because they are both fully committed to replacement of the white working class. End of.
 
I wonder what would be worse for R NHS (god bless them), some limited private sector involvement or importing millions of disease riddled wogs who've never so much as been in the same mud hut as a doctor who didn't prefix the title with "witch"?
I am not against private sector involvement. But just look at the state of the UK dentistry, and I rest my case.

Can you afford good dental care? Can you afford good healthcare? That's great for you, but I'm pretty sure the people and party you have a boner for aren't in that income bracket to be able to afford that.

Also, @Crunkle, one of the most prominent reasons why some aspects of the American health-care system are so advanced, is indeed due to funding and money, yes, by pharmaceutical companies, you know...the ones that invented the COVID-19 vaccine and want to kill people.
 
I prefer my chips to be golden, not burnt.

In an ideal world, we should be able to benefit from the pros of both the EU and America. But I know life isn't fair, and I'm fairly certain Nigel and many reformists (who may hold shares in private healthcare) want to privatise many (more) aspects of the NHS, such as much for the working-class??

I'd also rather not have hormones and steroids pumped into my meat, I'm not a tranny...afterall.
What you don't appear to understand is that the Unions were infiltrated by Common Purpose types who want the Unions to work against those they are supposed to protect.

Tied in with watering down standards, it's a recipe for disaster.

Now, you say that we should be able to enjoy the pros of the EU and USA relations, but neglect to point out that for every pro there is a con. I believe that globally we should be able to get along and have GFT (Global Free Trade, with taxes only imposed upon luxury/elite goods), but when the EU is one club/protectorate and the USA is a rival club/protectorate then it's impossible. It's like supporting both Liverpool and Everton whereby most Liverpudlian football fans tend to support one of these.

The NHS will fail either way - in Wales, there are talks of strikes through the summer and a refusal to go back until Doctors get not only better pay but conditions and support.

As for steroid meat, did you know that the EU have sanctioned mealworm and insects in your food?

You will eat the worms and insects, that's the EU mandate and one of the 'benefits' of being tied to a cult which speaks down to its disciples.
 
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