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Oh boy, we got a lil' antifa visiting us! Be gentle, he's a bit soft
lol, I've been openly rightist my entire time on this site. You must be new here. Imagine thinking people who speak highly of Franco/Mussolini would be lefties.

Point is even left-leaning types understand Fascism is right wing, only people who seemingly don't are lots of Americans who describe themselves as right wing.
 
lol, I've been openly rightist my entire time on this site. You must be new here. Imagine thinking people who speak highly of Franco/Mussolini would be lefties.

Point is even left-leaning types understand Fascism is right wing, only people who seemingly don't are lots of Americans who describe themselves as right wing.
yeah went back and clearly you aren't antifa. So my bad on that. Still, a massively bloated state taking control and coercing the populace? Feels pretty damn lefty to me
 
lol, I've been openly rightist my entire time on this site. You must be new here. Imagine thinking people who speak highly of Franco/Mussolini would be lefties.

Point is even left-leaning types understand Fascism is right wing, only people who seemingly don't are lots of Americans who describe themselves as right wing.
Fascism is a tool of control wielded by every dictator using the state in history. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, all fit the definition of fascism, which is a convoluted definition because every retard fights over it, but put simply : everything within the state.
 
who the fuck is a monarchist in the 21st century. who would the king of America even be??
unironically, a theocratic monarchy would be better than the hopelessly corrupt "liberal democratic" republics we have right now.

At least a king believes he has a duty to God to protect his people/land and if you get a bad one who doesn't you only have to depose 1 guy. when a republic goes bad there basically is no fixing it without complete societal collapse.
 
yeah went back and clearly you aren't antifa. So my bad on that. Still, a massively bloated state taking control and coercing the populace? Feels pretty damn lefty to me
I appreciate you investigating me to make sure you have accurate information, though I'd like to note that there is no one "Fascist text" like there would be historically with Communism (Stalin/Pol Pot/Mao types) all reading Marx. Fascism historically would really be a rightist movement which usually comes to be in response to Communism. However, it's going to vary from country to country and head of state to head of state. Hitler isn't Mussolini, he's not Franco, and he's not Pinochet or Salazar. For example, Mussolini was syndicalist, though not socialist. Pinochet was explicitly capitalist.

The problem comes from people misunderstanding differences in political situations/development and utilization of far left and far right ideologies in different countries. "Right wing socialism" has very much been a thing historically (i.e. Hitler), though it would be pertinent to actually read up on these things and analyze/compare notes. Doesn't help when "Fascism" itself is a somewhat murky term given how far it got as an idea in different parts of the world (some movements got further than others given geopolitics in Europe vs. LatAm/Asia). I would refer anyone in this thread to read primary sources (political essays/memoirs) as well as biographies/histories (I recommend any of Stanley Payne's body of work).
 
I'm a bit late to say this but, the recent afd being labelled as right wing extremist, is the final confirmation that democracy a it exists now, is effectively a religion. Any threats to it are labelled as blasphemous, any criticism to it is heresy. Liberal democracy is not a political system anymore it is a the new religion to the godless.
 
lol, I've been openly rightist my entire time on this site. You must be new here. Imagine thinking people who speak highly of Franco/Mussolini would be lefties.

Point is even left-leaning types understand Fascism is right wing, only people who seemingly don't are lots of Americans who describe themselves as right wing.
It's very interesting, I think a lot of it comes down to the American view that a strong centralized authority is inherently left wing. Which you do see in communism and also leftist in the US regularly pushing for a stronger federal government. Where as the right usually pushes for more autonomy at the state level.

It doesn't help that the left has spent decades trying to tie a swastika decorated albatross around the rights neck. While dismissing or minimizing the atrocities of communism, or in the case of tankies outright defending it. That said I have seen a growing movement of right wing tankies taking the same attitude towards the various fascist government of the past.
 
It's very interesting, I think a lot of it comes down to the American view that a strong centralized authority is inherently left wing. Which you do see in communism and also leftist in the US regularly pushing for a stronger federal government. Where as the right usually pushes for more autonomy at the state level.

It doesn't help that the left has spent decades trying to tie a swastika decorated albatross around the rights neck. While dismissing or minimizing the atrocities of communism, or in the case of tankies outright defending it. That said I have seen a growing movement of right wing tankies taking the same attitude towards the various fascist government of the past.
I'll make a comparison where there was overlap in historical Communist/Fascist countries from the POV of your average American voter:

For Communism, would anybody agree that abolishing private property and religion is something an American right winger would want? Likewise, in the case of Fascism, would a left wing American be in favor of things such as eradication of anarchist and feminist movements as well as heavy promotion of tradition/social discipline?

Interestingly, though Fascist ideology and Communist ideology both spawn dictatorial governments, neither of them like each other. At all.
 
yeah went back and clearly you aren't antifa. So my bad on that. Still, a massively bloated state taking control and coercing the populace? Feels pretty damn lefty to me
It feels that way because you're American.
unironically, a theocratic monarchy would be better than the hopelessly corrupt "liberal democratic" republics we have right now.

At least a king believes he has a duty to God to protect his people/land and if you get a bad one who doesn't you only have to depose 1 guy. when a republic goes bad there basically is no fixing it without complete societal collapse.
"You only have to depose 1 guy" is, as history shows, a lot harder than it sounds. Theocratic monarchy just doesn't fit in todays age, there's too much information out there for one religion to take over sharia style.
 
I'm a bit late to say this but, the recent afd being labelled as right wing extremist, is the final confirmation that democracy a it exists now, is effectively a religion. Any threats to it are labelled as blasphemous, any criticism to it is heresy. Liberal democracy is not a political system anymore it is a the new religion to the godless.
Democracy is no longer a tool in Germany. It is a institution. A cathedral. Only the clean and worthy are allowed in. The exact opposite of what Democracy was supposed to afford. A voice for its citizens. Not just for the few. Glad Rubio yelled at them.
 
"You only have to depose 1 guy" is, as history shows, a lot harder than it sounds.
hard, but not impossible. has there ever been a republic that didn't become corrupt and then have to completely fucking die (usually by a strongman's hand) to fix it?
Theocratic monarchy just doesn't fit in todays age, there's too much information out there for one religion to take over sharia style.
maybe, maybe not. i would argue that "woke materialistic individualism" operates very much like a religion and liberal democracy is just the political system that it created.
 
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