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Right wing and left wing certainly don't mean anything anymore. Originally, iirc, it referred to the split in the French Parliament leading up to the revolution. So right wing could be seen as either traditionalist/conservative or monarchist/nationalist. Fascism is derivative of Marx in that it's collectivist, but it is nationally collectivist, rather than universally. It borrows from revolutionary and traditional stuff alike. Some may even call it... A third position.
Interestingly enough, in my initial post pointing out Fascism is indeed right wing by any objective metric of looking at this, I saw a few people in the slew of negrates who have posted in the right wing memes thread on this site (where there are a ton of pro-Hitler and pro-Franco memes). Like just be honest with yourself instead of clinging onto the 2017-2019 Conservative Inc/Razorfist/TIK way of viewing it, "Fascists are left wing, and Dems are the REAL racists!"
On the other hand, once here they made perfectly good Americans, sending their sons to fight and die in America's wars and actually contributing to the country, but they were Alsatian Germans.
"War might break out in Europe, let's go to America where it's safe" - yes, then WW1 pops off, and you're sent right back over there.
 
A war with Iran would last decades and end in defeat if we try to turn those cousin-fuckers into a 1st-world democracy. It would end quickly if the victory condition was to disestablish the Ayatollahs and make them sign a treaty agreeing to end all liaisons with militant Shia groups in other countries. Then you walk away and let them rebuild their own mess, warning them you'll be back for more if they fuck around.
 
A war with Iran would last decades and end in defeat
I'm in agreement, invading Persia really doesn't work out well historically. Given the US's poor military record post-WW2 (a tie and two losses), Iran is going to win, especially if they're backed by Russia (seeing as they're clearly going to win in Ukraine and they might be shipping North Korean troops to Iran to help them out in this scenario, given the varying degrees of partnership between the three countries).
 
Given the US's poor military record post-WW2 (a tie and two losses),
We won first and second Iraq. We won in Panama, and there have been a host of other operations we won. All that shit in the Balkans for example. Korea was a tie. Afghanistan and Vietnam were losses. That's at least US major wins: 3 Ties: 1 Losses: 2
 
And actually we are forgetting about the most important stuff here when it comes to invading shit, the geography and demographics. Iran alone has significantly more land and more than double the people than both Afghanistan and Iraq during the early 2000s, combined. And all that land is mountainous and offers easy concealment for insurgents. And 99.4% Iran is muslim and will not tolerate kaffir rule. And due to their religion and the nature of the middle east, there's even more weapons to go around than people (granted muslims aren't people, but you get the idea).

Fucking forget it, you would unironically need to deploy millions of Americans to occupy it.
 
And actually we are forgetting about the most important stuff here when it comes to invading shit, the geography and demographics. Iran alone has significantly more land and more than double the people than both Afghanistan and Iraq during the early 2000s, combined. And all that land is mountainous and offers easy concealment for insurgents. And 99.4% Iran is muslim and will not tolerate kaffir rule. And due to their religion and the nature of the middle east, there's even more weapons to go around than people (granted muslims aren't people, but you get the idea).

Fucking forget it
I also don't think it's remotely in American interests to have Iran allegiances shift.

Look TE Lawrence fucked around Arabia for a reason, the Turks had an empire and were a major pain in the ass for centuries and Brits wanted it fractured. And so they did, and what was left was a bunch of Arab states that all harbor ancient grudges with each other. It's the biggest myth that Muslim world is some united brotherhood, it is not. There's so many factions, religious, and ethno disputes it's damn nightmare to keep track of it all. But one thing is easy, Arabs fucking hate Persians and vice versa.

Let the Saudis and UAE deal with that shit. Their royalties are so fucking rich they don't want the world to end and they'll stomp any force that tries to upset the balance. All their princes want to do is watch Boxing and play Fatal Fury.
 
Facism isnt right wing
I don't even know what Fascism is supposed to mean at this point when you have scholars claiming that the USA is under a fascist government because of Trump. I mean excuse me we're still one of the freest countries to ever exist in history and deporting illegals doesn't merit the designation of fascist in my eyes.

I think Authoritarian is more more important and clearly defined. I'm virulently against anything Authoritarian.
 
I'm in agreement, invading Persia really doesn't work out well historically. Given the US's poor military record post-WW2 (a tie and two losses), Iran is going to win, especially if they're backed by Russia (seeing as they're clearly going to win in Ukraine and they might be shipping North Korean troops to Iran to help them out in this scenario, given the varying degrees of partnership between the three countries).
Iran has better equipment and a lot of the same mountainous terrain as well as Islamic fanaticism that its Afghan neighbors have. Getting bogged down in a struggle there would be a mistake. Airstrikes and only pursuing easily tangible objectives should some kind of conflict break out would be ideal there if push came to shove.
 
I don't even know what Fascism is supposed to mean at this point when you have scholars claiming that the USA is under a fascist government because of Trump. I mean excuse me we're still one of the freest countries to ever exist in history and deporting illegals doesn't merit the designation of fascist in my eyes.

I think Authoritarian is more more important and clearly defined. I'm virulently against anything Authoritarian.
fascism is when police do things i don't like
 
I don't even know what Fascism is supposed to mean at this point when you have scholars claiming that the USA is under a fascist government because of Trump. I mean excuse me we're still one of the freest countries to ever exist in history and deporting illegals doesn't merit the designation of fascist in my eyes.

I think Authoritarian is more more important and clearly defined. I'm virulently against anything Authoritarian.
I agree and I think it was all part of a greater plan. They spend a tremendous amount of time teaching about slavery and ww2 in US public schools which leads to harry potter syndrome. They have never read or been taught other historic fact so they lack "another book" to reference and help frame things.
 
Facism isnt right wing
Fascism is right wing
Client state fascism is right wing because it is an artificial state designed to serve the interests of a different government, corporation, or entity in some way, think of the fascist states the US set up in South America.
National "Socialism" is right wing because it is a form of hypercapitalism. The nazis worked with and were funded by MIOs and foreign industrialists and in return they would deregulate the economy and increased miliatry spending. The 25 points were fake and gay and the "Socialism" in national socialism was just a campaign tool. The German communist party recognized this and called it out and is why they were the first people put into concentration camps, not jews.
I'm not going to go over the other autistic "third way" movements because they're all retarded forms of capitalism or communism and thus right wing or at the very least, center auth.
 
I don't even know what Fascism is supposed to mean at this point when you have scholars claiming that the USA is under a fascist government because of Trump. I mean excuse me we're still one of the freest countries to ever exist in history and deporting illegals doesn't merit the designation of fascist in my eyes.

I think Authoritarian is more more important and clearly defined. I'm virulently against anything Authoritarian.
Fascism just means "communism that I don't like." The full name of the Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party. When people tell you they are socialists, you should take them seriously.
 
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