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Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off
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I get that but with an IP like Star Wars, its going to be harder to bullshit people and gaslight entire legions into thinking that the Disney era is the only one that matters. Right now, anyone with a brain is either apathetic or completely disgusted by all of the Disney Star Wars media. A fandom thats been at odds with even Lucas itself for his edits of the original trilogy or the prequels. Sure you'll get a stray redditor saying he loves Rose Tico and cried during the Acolyte but then you ask someone else and they just groan at the mere mention of things like the Sequel Trilogy or Disney+ shows.
You're right about that but that can only go so far too. You can only bring back Maul so many times or say Ahsoka is some immortal force goddess before people get tired of it. Kenobi turned people off because half of it was devoted to toddler Leia shenanigans and Reva when they expected Ewan Mcgregor returning to a role people loved. Hype for Star Wars is so low when 15 years ago you couldn't get anyone to shut up about all the current and upcoming media it had.
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It's actually kind of funny comparing the ISO building in Dark Forces to Andor's ISB building. The latter looks so clean, so pristine, you'd be forgiven if you thought the Jedi met there to talk shop:
Meanwhile, the ISB HQ that you raid in Dark Forces, known as the Imperial Security Office, (or ISO) has a darker tone to it that is more reflective of the Sith influence:
There's even statues and portraits of old man Palpatine all over the place:
The latter seems more fitting for the capital of an empire ruled by a Sith Lord, whereas the former is more pristine, more neutral. If the Rebels had something similar to Andor's ISB building, you wouldn't bat an eyelash, whereas with the latter oozes Sith influence and practically tells you that this is a building designed with Sith influence in mind.
Given that a lot of Andor fans praise it for minimizing the role of Force-users, I wonder if this was a deliberate design choice to make the Empire less Sith-y and more like a clean, orderly society, with no dark influence.
Although I suppose one can head-canon it by saying that the clean, pristine building was a leftover from the Republic era, when the Empire still had the Senate and was cosplaying as the Republic's rightful successor, while the latter had more Sith influence as Palpatine grew bolder over the years and stopped pretending about his spiritual status.
You'd think that they'd take good care of the franchise to ensure the money flow remains stable, but that's not how these people think. They couldn't give a hoot about the health of the franchise; and if it crashes and burns, they'll just buy the next big IP and whore it out until it loses all vigor.
Unlike Lucas, who gave a crap about Star Wars because it was his baby, these corpo heads don't care about the actual health of the SW franchise, and they see the fans who object to them as disgusting, filthy nerds who jack off to pictures of Slave Leia and other female Jedi. They couldn't be bothered to care. Hence why Disney SW is in a precarious state; the moment Tony Gilroy walks away, they're fucked. Filoni has already begun to show his weaknesses, and hype for the Mandoverse movie is practically below average. It's not like Sonic 3 where people genuinely wanted to see it and even bought the Shadow Generations game that's related to it.
Meanwhile, the ISB HQ that you raid in Dark Forces, known as the Imperial Security Office, (or ISO) has a darker tone to it that is more reflective of the Sith influence:
There's even statues and portraits of old man Palpatine all over the place:
The latter seems more fitting for the capital of an empire ruled by a Sith Lord, whereas the former is more pristine, more neutral. If the Rebels had something similar to Andor's ISB building, you wouldn't bat an eyelash, whereas with the latter oozes Sith influence and practically tells you that this is a building designed with Sith influence in mind.
Given that a lot of Andor fans praise it for minimizing the role of Force-users, I wonder if this was a deliberate design choice to make the Empire less Sith-y and more like a clean, orderly society, with no dark influence.
Although I suppose one can head-canon it by saying that the clean, pristine building was a leftover from the Republic era, when the Empire still had the Senate and was cosplaying as the Republic's rightful successor, while the latter had more Sith influence as Palpatine grew bolder over the years and stopped pretending about his spiritual status.
You really think the corporate officials at Disney give a shit about that? If they did, they wouldn't be in the mess they are in now. All they care about is the benjamins, and they couldn't give a shit about the franchise if it fails. We've seen how video game IPs got buttfucked by the likes of big corpo forcing them to come out with one title after another until the IP loses all goodwill from the fans. Disney does the same, but with movie franchises like Star Wars.
You'd think that they'd take good care of the franchise to ensure the money flow remains stable, but that's not how these people think. They couldn't give a hoot about the health of the franchise; and if it crashes and burns, they'll just buy the next big IP and whore it out until it loses all vigor.
That's because back then, the hype for the franchise and the health and vigor of the franchise was still strong. Something like SWTOR became well-known even though it's just an MMO spinoff that takes place 3700 years before the films. But after Disney acquired it, they whored it out to the RLM fans, then to the SJWs, then to the Filoni fans, and now with Andor, they're making it for the intellectual leftists.
Unlike Lucas, who gave a crap about Star Wars because it was his baby, these corpo heads don't care about the actual health of the SW franchise, and they see the fans who object to them as disgusting, filthy nerds who jack off to pictures of Slave Leia and other female Jedi. They couldn't be bothered to care. Hence why Disney SW is in a precarious state; the moment Tony Gilroy walks away, they're fucked. Filoni has already begun to show his weaknesses, and hype for the Mandoverse movie is practically below average. It's not like Sonic 3 where people genuinely wanted to see it and even bought the Shadow Generations game that's related to it.
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I got back into the Dark Forces series after watching some long-form retrospectives. I had never played Dark Forces back in the day because it had a very limited release in Germany, and it's a very neat little game. The only thing I didn't like was the slightly obtuse level design in parts, and how the difficulty ramps up in the Arc Hammer, the only level I didn't beat on Medium difficulty.
Yesterday I moved on to Jedi Knight, and playing that with the remaster mod is a vibe.
Yesterday I moved on to Jedi Knight, and playing that with the remaster mod is a vibe.
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Rewatching the KOTOR 2 dialogues with G0-T0, the way he views the Hutts, seeing them as a threat that would bleed the Republic dry, almost reminds me of how European society has seen Jews for centuries. About how their dealings only benefit them to the exclusion of everyone else, seeing them as parasites.
Funny how someone tried to get that through in a game in 2004. I suppose putting it in a videogame for nerds was a way to have it fly under the ADL's radar.
I wonder how G0-T0 would view the Republic making deals with the Hutts during the TCW/Clone Wars era. He'd probably get furious upon finding out that the Republic officially allied with them in that conflict. With the way he talks about the Hutts, G0-T0 would probably prefer the SWTOR-era Republic which officially went to war with the Hutt Cartel and gave them a broken nose.
Funny how someone tried to get that through in a game in 2004. I suppose putting it in a videogame for nerds was a way to have it fly under the ADL's radar.
I wonder how G0-T0 would view the Republic making deals with the Hutts during the TCW/Clone Wars era. He'd probably get furious upon finding out that the Republic officially allied with them in that conflict. With the way he talks about the Hutts, G0-T0 would probably prefer the SWTOR-era Republic which officially went to war with the Hutt Cartel and gave them a broken nose.
I'm not surprised. It's a popular opinion among Gen Z and Millennial fans who grew up with the Clone Wars Multimedia Project and TCW.
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this season of andor is so slow and the dyke boss bitch lecturing le pussy man for getting other dyke boss bitch killed while bix bitch tortures the guy that tortured her is so utterly out of place
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I for one am looking forward to the Vance presidency where he charges Filloni with treason for attempted destruction of American cultural artifacts and issues an EO so that the real EU is canon again.
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Do the niggers making these 50 hour videos talking about the prequels even have any unique insights that you can't get from just reading the books? I'm genuinely curious.
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No. They use length as a substitute for quality and every single one of them talks like they've OD'd on Benedryl.
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Based, also
>George Lucas who only had a small role in the original series
Holy shit Posobiec is retarded
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This specific youtuber does. He's the most autistically knowledgeable Star Wars fan I have ever encountered and blows every other Star Wars video maker out of the water. And I'm pretty sure I've watched every Star Wars youtuber there is. Or at least the English and Japanese speaking ones.
He often mocks Wookiepedia for being shit.
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Jews were depicted as the greedy banker stereotype, which surprisingly Star Wars avoided in the Muuns.
The Hutts are your crime lords. Protection rackets, protecting territory, family-based syndicates. The closest they are to anything real world is the Italian Mob.
What I wonder is whether G0-T0 would have viewed the increasing imperialization of the Republic as a threat or its only means of survival. He was programmed to protect the Republic, but did that mean he cared about the democratic spirit of the Republic?
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He likely would've ultimately decided that so long as some form of republican system existed, even if it was far more autocratic and restrictive, he'd likely accept it. He'd probably draw the line at an Empire, and likely would not accept the Sith leading it mainly due to their inefficiency and tendency to cause polities to unravel disastrously every single time though. He has the data points and reference elements from his time; they ultimately are a losing bet.
He did ultimately choose to save the system he was designed to protect rather than follow its rulesets after all, and a decaying of a true democracy likely would be tolerable if it meant that it could be reformed and fixed later. So long as it fundamentally holds an elective system then he technically fulfills his function.
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The Muuns were still portrayed as greedy; the Banking Clan entered the war on the side of the CIS for a share of the profits.
Fuck no. He hated the fact that he was programmed to protect the Republic, and he utterly despised how the Republic ran things and the fact that he has no choice but to try and save it, because that was his primary directive. He only broke Republic law for the sake of protecting the Republic. But if he sees someone making the Republic stronger, more stable, he's not going to give two shits about its democratic spirit so long as everything is neat and tidy.
If anything, he'd openly support Palpatine making the galactic government more stable and wiping out the Jedi as well as other rival Dark Side organizations like the Nightsisters. It cuts down on the infighting between the "Jedi religious branches" that he doesn't give a hoot about, and making the Republic into an Empire would make it more efficient, more orderly, and since the Senate legally voted to approve of Palpatine's Empire, G0-T0 would have no cause to oppose it.
This robot used to send assassin squads to kill people whom he decided to be a threat. Authoritarianism isn't something that he'd find alien to his tastes. He was also kind of pissed that Revan didn't stay to keep the Republic strong. He also expressed approval of Darth Revan's war of conquest, saying that Revan trying to capture the Republic intact was preferable to Darth Malak's indiscriminate bombardment campaign. Since G0-T0 said that he would be OK with Darth Revan ruling the galaxy, Darth Sidious ruling the galaxy won't be a deal-breaker for him. Especially since Sidious "conquers" the galaxy by getting the Senate to approve of his coronation while having his right-hand man kill all the Separatist CEOs; G0-T0 would consider that a tidy way of taking over, as opposed to Malak glassing every planet in the Republic that looked at him funny.
In the ending of KOTOR 2, G0-T0 openly wants to preserve Malachor V's Sith forces as a tool to stabilize the Republic. That doesn't sound democratic at all; using an army of Dark-Side hitmen to go full judge, jury, and executioner, to kill anyone who might go against the law. That then caused him to run into conflict with Bao-Dur's remote, which was programmed to destroy Malachor V by activating the Mass Shadow Generator. HK-47 arrives, with a platoon of HK-51s. If you go Light Side, HK-47 kills G0-T0, if you go Dark Side, HK-47 sides with G0-T0.
So if G0-T0 saw Palpatine using Darth Vader and other Dark Jedi to enforce his rule, the droid would fail to object, since that was his own plan with Malachor V's Sith contingent.
The mob would be the Exchange. Which G0-T0 is leading. Also, the Hutts have legitimate businesses on top of their criminal enterprises; Vogga the Hutt supplying fuel to Citadel Station is completely legal, but it would financially ruin the Republic, hence why G0-T0 kept hijacking his freighters so that Telos would turn to Peragus for help. The way G0-T0 talks about the Hutts and their financial dealings mirrors the way European nationalists complain about Jewish bankers acting as parasites and screwing over the economy.
I mean, this isn't the first time someone related the Hutts to the Hebrew people in this thread. Turn back to page 1730 for the proof.
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Well they are stingy, cold bastards, but fairly honest and fair. Rarely do that just screw their customers, preferring to have a dependable reputation, as it's more sustainable.
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He's right. They're better than the originals tbh.
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He chose to preserve the Republic instead of the laws. Also doesn't care if the Sith rule.