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"a copy of the restraining order filed against Mr. Moon"
You really don't think that this, in any way, suggests an actual order?
Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)
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You really don't think that this, in any way, suggests an actual order?
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No more so than "a copy of the motion filed in a case against Mr Moon" implies that the motion was granted, as someone has pointed out here a few times.
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There is a massive difference between the meaning and implications of the word "motion" and the word "order".
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I dunno. I think the alleged vagueness of the order regarding producing documents regarding the attempt to get a restraining order against Dear Leader is an opportunity for the Dear Leader.
The context of yesterday's hearing makes it clear the Magistrate Judge was ordering Russ to get the entire file from the court where he applied for the RO. It would be a bad faith interpretation of the order as a whole--both the oral and the written--to not do that. The Court has anticipated that Russ will screw around in bad faith. That's why the Hardship was ordered to give a report back to the Court on whether Russ complied with the order.
Expect head tightening trauma lumps from the Magistrate Judge if Russ fucks around.
The context of yesterday's hearing makes it clear the Magistrate Judge was ordering Russ to get the entire file from the court where he applied for the RO. It would be a bad faith interpretation of the order as a whole--both the oral and the written--to not do that. The Court has anticipated that Russ will screw around in bad faith. That's why the Hardship was ordered to give a report back to the Court on whether Russ complied with the order.
Expect head tightening trauma lumps from the Magistrate Judge if Russ fucks around.
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That's an interesting thought, though I think the subtleties are lost on Greer.
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Once the transcript is provided, either the court sua sponte, or Hardin via motion, can have a nunc pro tunc order issued, correcting that the production is of the case file, not specifically a granted order.
I find it interesting what Russ chooses to learn from these cases. He clearly learned “not relevant” and “nothing to do with copyright” from being reminded, multiple times over the course of over 250 filings, that his harassment and stalking allegations are not at issue any longer. That he repeated them when it came to his IFP status just goes to show that he tries to take things that hurt him and make them into weapons to hurt someone else, without understanding why they hurt or what the purpose is.
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I find it interesting what Russ chooses to learn from these cases. He clearly learned “not relevant” and “nothing to do with copyright” from being reminded, multiple times over the course of over 250 filings, that his harassment and stalking allegations are not at issue any longer. That he repeated them when it came to his IFP status just goes to show that he tries to take things that hurt him and make them into weapons to hurt someone else, without understanding why they hurt or what the purpose is.
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That gave me some hope that the Judge didn't want to get into the weeds over matters that will become irrelevant.
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Not in context, no. Court realized during the hearing that there is no order. Hardin said I don't even know the underlying allegations. Court told Russell to go get his case file and comply.
Moreover, it doesn't fucking matter. If Russ comes back and says, your Honor, I read your written order, and it is confusing bc it says "files" and "order," or "it said order and there is no order so I can't comply," & therefore I'm not providing anything, he will receive his head on a platter, and rightfully so.
Again, it would have been more correct to say petition filed by Greer; however, if we must autistically parse, then the deduction must be that it refers to Russ's filing, bc a court doesn't file, it orders.
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Stalking and harassment are really the only things he tried to argue, apart from saying once he has "Photographs of Null infringing his copyrights, and others", whatever that means.
Russ didn't speak much but nearly every time he had a chance he tried to make it about either being stalked, or harassed. Including by Hardin. I think he repeated his seething about Hardin 3 times. He clearly had that prepared ("Mr Hardin will latch on to individual words and not focus on the entire argument") and would have been very disappointed that everyone literally ignored it.
Russ didn't speak much but nearly every time he had a chance he tried to make it about either being stalked, or harassed. Including by Hardin. I think he repeated his seething about Hardin 3 times. He clearly had that prepared ("Mr Hardin will latch on to individual words and not focus on the entire argument") and would have been very disappointed that everyone literally ignored it.
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The fact the court has had to order Russell to produce the RO twice should really warrant some juicy sanctions. In the first order at 227 he was already ordered to show cause as to why he shouldn't pay attorneys fees (5 page limit) regarding the motion to compel, but as far as I can tell he never did this and only filed the (21 page) motion to reconsider instead - which then prompted more time invested by Hardin in responding to oppose the reconsideration along with everything else related to this up to and including yesterday's hearing. This, plus potential sanctions for Steve Taylor bullshit, plus the filing fee, plus the first sanctions will surely only strengthen Russell's will to fight injustice in this case.
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Transcript doesn't exist, and none of the parties are entitled to it as of right. The transcript that will be made as per Mr. Hardin's order will take months to become publicly available.
Considering that currently neither party can check the context (and considering that the order is due before the transcript can be made), nor can we, I don't see your argument. Furthermore, even if you were correct, that doesn't excuse the fact that it would have taken the judge two words - "application for" - to make the situation undebatably clear. There's absolutely no reason for us to excuse a lazy writing by a judge.
Edit: I withdraw that comment. It was way faster than last time
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HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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No, you edited your post after mine, within the "edit doesn't show" timeline dude, let me have it!
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The obvious follow-up is.... Can the public get a copy?
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Can't be possible, because my PACER search made the thing available on CourtListener.
It's not barred to the public, generally.
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To my understanding, the whole reason he allowed it is that an amended complaint opens the door to relitigate everything. The IFP thing, a new motion to dismiss, all of it. Including voiding the 10th circuit retarded decision, since this is technically a whole new thing, So I don't think he regrets it at all.
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Boiled down to a short summary like this and absent Russell's whining, it all sounds much more positive than I felt it was yesterday -- and I felt it sounded positive then.
This made it sound like Russell was on his last legs. Hard to see how he gets past the next go-around from here. The judge spells out lots of routes that lead to having the case thrown out. Not seeing many routes that enable Greer to take it forward.
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So, um, @Potentially Criminal if I send you some superchat money will you order the recording and
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"KIwi Farms: as competent as a federal judge"
I don't know if either side would appreciate the comparison though.