Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[BullfrogBill]

Actually, that was part of the themes of the PT. The Jedi were going along with crushing the Separatists even though the Seps had valid reasons for quitting the Republic system. The fact that the Jedi went along with it, hook, line, and sinker, was part of the movies' storytelling focus on how the Jedi have lost their way, and how they're playing right into Dooku and Palpatine's hands. The Jedi saw an enemy before them, focused all attention on it, ignoring the enemy behind them which grew in power, to the point where he took them out.

Dooku was being completely genuine with Obi Wan in AotC when he told him that Qui Gon very well might have been a Separatist had he still been alive.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Dooku was being completely genuine with Obi Wan in AotC when he told him that Qui Gon very well might have been a Separatist had he still been alive.

Dooku earnestly tried to hand Kenobi the keys to salvation, and Kenobi spat in his face.

 

[GlupShitto]

The thing is that the Republican case was never really made in the PT; somewhere offscreen it was decided that separatism was le bad and the Jedi just sort of went along with it for no adequately explained reason. So the entire issue needs to be glossed over in subsequent media to keep the Jedi and Rebels as the white hats.

That happened irl too, though. The southern states were called evil for trying to secede. They slaughtered countless innocent and peaceful men and women for merely trying to live free of Lincoln's nigger loving tyranny. The idea that the Confederacy was some evil group (despite the fact that them losing set us on the path to where we are now) is so pervasive that Lucas being the braindead bleeding heart liberal commie lover that he is knew he could use the idea of secession as something audiences would understand as evil.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Actually, that was part of the themes of the PT. The Jedi were going along with crushing the Separatists even though the Seps had valid reasons for quitting the Republic system. The fact that the Jedi went along with it, hook, line, and sinker, was part of the movies' storytelling focus on how the Jedi have lost their way, and how they're playing right into Dooku and Palpatine's hands. The Jedi saw an enemy before them, focused all attention on it, ignoring the enemy behind them which grew in power, to the point where he took them out.

That's one reading. The trouble is that it undermines the OT, since it means that what Luke and the Rebellion were fighting for was actually pretty shit.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

That's one reading. The trouble is that it undermines the OT, since it means that what Luke and the Rebellion were fighting for was actually pretty shit.

Not quite. It showed that Luke and the Rebels were finally fighting for freedom, as opposed for the Jedi who just fought for the status quo.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

How the hell is the Ghorman massacre a genocide? The empire has wiped out entire species but an event that killed a couple hundred people is considered a genocide?

There was an armada above the planet, the Empire was killing civilians outside of the plaza, there was reference to the Ghormans being “resettled”, and the mining of their home was starting.

The Empire is going to kill a lot of Ghormans, round up the rest for a “labor” camp, and then mine the planet to the point of it being inhospitable. It’s the start of a genocide.

They were a strong Republic ally, yet most of the Senate didn't bat an eye when they were packed off to the slave camps.

I don’t think Disney gave a reason for the invasion of Kashyyyk, but the EU gives a good reason. There were Jedi gathering on the planet.

Evidence of the Wookies being in league with the Jedi coup. Anyone who sides with the Wookies is going to be called a traitor.

By 2 BBY, the Empire is destroying a planet in response to a rebel cell. Much harder to quell outrage over that atrocity.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

round up the rest for a “labor” camp, and then mine the planet to the point of it being inhospitable. It’s the start of a genocide.

Where were they going to open a labor camp?

 

[GlupShitto]

Disappointed that everybody here loves niggers. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that's what's left of the Disney Soy Wars fandom.

 

[Adamska]

Eh, the crescendo of Andor seems to be about what I'd expect it to be based on what I've seen others talk about in here, which is actually a surprise. I kind of expected Disney to cock it up at the last minute given their tendency to do that; I reckon it's due to knowing it's over and due to even with positive feedback it fucking did like shit.

Comments in here make me think comes off a bit dumber in a spot or two than I'd like, but it's functional. Mon Mothma declaring that shit in senate is fucking braindead. I do not need depression robot either, though he was like the only guy that people who watched Rogue One remembered that's new.

Was it worth its budget? Not for the quality you got. Was it worth it in general? I mean I guess if you need fent you can consoom it; you'd have to cope by pretending it'll lead to EU heroin rather than RatCo toilet fent, but sure. Was it a good idea to name it Andor? Haha no; the dude seemed like wood. Should they have used Garm rather than Saw? Definitely.

Definitely not worth a subscription, but I guess... if you really want to watch Star Wars and can't be arsed to just read the EU or great West End books it's worth it. Like if you're relapsing hard and need that fent.

Disappointed that everybody here loves niggers. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that's what's left of the Disney Soy Wars fandom.

I don’t think Disney gave a reason for the invasion of Kashyyyk, but the EU gives a good reason. There were Jedi gathering on the planet.

Evidence of the Wookies being in league with the Jedi coup. Anyone who sides with the Wookies is going to be called a traitor.

That and from what I recall the Wookies tended to not be that firmly for Palpatine anyway. They fucking rebelled not even two years into its formation twice. So the Empire had a lot of reasons (including using their prodigious strength and longevity) to break them apart and use them as chattel.

They fucked around, and found out.

That and they were making good inroads to solidifying their support with the Trandoshans. And did I forget to mention having strong supple aliens to do a lot of heavy lifting? That shit's useful.

The thing is that the Republican case was never really made in the PT; somewhere offscreen it was decided that separatism was le bad and the Jedi just sort of went along with it for no adequately explained reason. So the entire issue needs to be glossed over in subsequent media to keep the Jedi and Rebels as the white hats.

It was intended to make the Clone Wars pointless since it was one big puppetmaster gambit. But it also unironically makes them seem dumber than the IBC and the Trade Federation when they couldn't even be fucked to send missions of mercy by "rogue elements" or some shit.

If Lot Dodd can keep his seat, they could've had a "maverick" do some basics. Though to be fair if they did that Sheev would've sped his timetable up.

I'd say that some of the shift away from politicking and explaining the situation was due to Lucas still remembering how much of a shitshow the Phantom Menace dailies were, but a lot of this was due to his decision to time jump and skip through Anakin's training and those ten years Palpatine was Chancellor.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Disappointed that everybody here loves niggers. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that's what's left of the Disney Soy Wars fandom.

Nah man you're just an unlikable sperg.

 

[Ghostse]

And so we come to the events that begin the Rebellion. This week produced some fantastic episodes which I will summarize in order.

I can summarize it even faster:

None of this shit matters, Rey is all the Jedi.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The situation in brotherly Ghorman has been normalized. The Imperial Martyrs of Ghorman are making their final journey home. The blood of martyrs is the seed of the Empire.

Support your Empire. Support your Emperor. For safety, security, justice, and peace.



Glory to the Emperor. Glory to the Empire.

 

[Eventide]

The scale seems completely wrong. It's literally just one small massacre (which they call genocide because???) on one boring planet best known for making silk, and we are supposed to believe this incident was so exceptionally horrible that it's what gave birth to the Rebellion and ultimately lead to the Empire's downfall? The same Empire that blows up planets? IDK, everything just feels too small for Star Wars. It's way too down to earth. Maybe it's just a budget issue, and maybe the next week episodes show the planet destroyed by mining or something. But I miss the epic scale the franchise used to have.

Maybe the Rebellion was composed entirely of hypebeasts pissed their favorite designer fashion brands were blown up by the Imperials?

My issue with the Ghorman arc is, why didn't the Empire just kill the giant vaguely French/Swiss space spiders? Instead of spending years running a secret psy-op campaign to convince the average Galaxy citizen that Ghorman is some kind of space Fallujah populated almost entirely by dangerous terrorist militants that want to blow up the Empire for the evulz...why not just engineer a virus that kills the spiders? Or secretly poison the spiders? Ghorman's only industry was spider silk - without the spiders, they'd be fucked six ways to Sunday. Than Krennic can just come in, be like "oh noes, what a tragedy. As a gesture of goodwill the Empire is willing to train Ghorman citizens in new skills, such as engineering and mining, at absolutely no cost. Free scholarships to Coruscant's geological engineering university for every Ghorman! We'll even fund the opening of mines to stimulate your economy."

Problem solved. No one dies (except the spiders). Empire gets good publicity for saving the ecologically & economically devastated Ghormans.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Maybe the Rebellion was composed entirely of hypebeasts pissed their favorite designer fashion brands were blown up by the Imperials?

It'd be funny if someone took some Ghorman spiders to some other temperate-climate world and started producing their own Ghorman silk products. That dude would be swimming in cash after the second Ghorman Massacre. Kind of like what would happen if someone successfully produced Tarisian Ale after Darth Malak bombarded Taris.

That, and the Rebel leadership does look very bourgeoisie. If it's not former senators like Mon Mothma and Leia Organa who wear the latest in fashion, it's former Imperial officials like Jan Dodonna or Crix Madine. So yes, they look like the kind of people who would get really pissed that a source of high-quality threads got burned by the Empire.

My issue with the Ghorman arc is, why didn't the Empire just kill the giant vaguely French/Swiss space spiders? Instead of spending years running a secret psy-op campaign to convince the average Galaxy citizen that Ghorman is some kind of space Fallujah populated almost entirely by dangerous terrorist militants that want to blow up the Empire for the evulz...why not just engineer a virus that kills the spiders? Or secretly poison the spiders? Ghorman's only industry was spider silk - without the spiders, they'd be fucked six ways to Sunday. Than Krennic can just come in, be like "oh noes, what a tragedy. As a gesture of goodwill the Empire is willing to train Ghorman citizens in new skills, such as engineering and mining, at absolutely no cost. Free scholarships to Coruscant's geological engineering university for every Ghorman! We'll even fund the opening of mines to stimulate your economy."

Problem solved. No one dies (except the spiders). Empire gets good publicity for saving the ecologically & economically devastated Ghormans.

Here's a better idea-tell the Ghorman leaders exactly what the Empire wants, the Ghorman kalkite, and sell it the same way Krennic sold it to his Imperial comrades: as a project commissioned by the Emperor, experimenting with clean, environmentally-friendly energy, in order to revolutionize the energy market and make stable energy cheaper for everyone. By the time they discover it's the Death Star, it'll be too late.

Give the Ghormans several agricultural worlds to colonize; they're rich, they can afford it, and the Empire can further bribe their government and their people to make the move easier. They can even name their new worlds "New Ghorman", "Ghorman II", "Ghorman III", and so on. If the Empire can bribe powerful senators to spew propaganda about the Ghormans, they can bribe the less than a million Ghormans to move to some other agri-dump where the spiders can feast on the crops and produce tons of silk for the Ghormans to weave and sell.

Hell, the Empire can publicize it and say that this "Ghorman sacrifice" will be remembered for the greater good of all, to ensure Imperial rule will remain unchallenged and stable, and that this sacrifice will bring an end to all political squabbles, allowing people to focus their energies on ending hunger or curing all diseases, or some hippie bullshit.

 

[Eventide]

Here's a better idea-tell the Ghorman leaders exactly what the Empire wants, the Ghorman kalkite, and sell it the same way Krennic sold it to his Imperial comrades: as a project commissioned by the Emperor, experimenting with clean, environmentally-friendly energy, in order to revolutionize the energy market and make stable energy cheaper for everyone. By the time they discover it's the Death Star, it'll be too late.

Give the Ghormans several agricultural worlds to colonize; they're rich, they can afford it, and the Empire can further bribe their government and their people to make the move easier. They can even name their new worlds "New Ghorman", "Ghorman II", "Ghorman III", and so on. If the Empire can bribe powerful senators to spew propaganda about the Ghormans, they can bribe the less than a million Ghormans to move to some other agri-dump where the spiders can feast on the crops and produce tons of silk for the Ghormans to weave and sell.

Hell, the Empire can publicize it and say that this "Ghorman sacrifice" will be remembered for the greater good of all, to ensure Imperial rule will remain unchallenged and stable, and that this sacrifice will bring an end to all political squabbles, allowing people to focus their energies on ending hunger or curing all diseases, or some hippie bullshit.

Upon further thought (...I really should stop doing that with Disney Star Wars stuff, it always leads to discovering new headache inducing plotholes) why didn't the Ghormans know about the Kalkite? Or at least immediately suspect that the Imperials were after something (mineral-wise) physically located on their planet's surface? The psuedo-French resistance is like "they're so evil - they want to build an armory and office buildings" The Empire has giant Imperial warships - why the fuck would they need to build an armory or office towers on a small planet hostile to their presence (& filled with giant spiders)?

The Ghorman plot only happened 'cause everyone involved on both sides was dumb af/made things needlessly complicated for no reason (or maybe the ISP Psy-Op department thought up a way to scam the Emperor & Krennic for overtime hours? You know what - fuckkit, that's now my headcannon).

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Where were they going to open a labor camp?

That’s just my theory. The ‘work will set you free’ kind of camp.

My issue with the Ghorman arc is, why didn't the Empire just kill the giant vaguely French/Swiss space spiders?

They laid this all out in the first episode. Plague was gamed out; too unpredictable. They established propaganda portraying the Ghormans as arrogant. They can’t reveal the mining operation because it is gouge mining. The planet will be destabilized as a result.

The whole scene was a parallel to the Wannsee Conference. The plan to exterminate the Ghormans was inevitable. The Empire wanted a plan for how to do it.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Upon further thought (...I really should stop doing that with Disney Star Wars stuff, it always leads to discovering new headache inducing plotholes) why didn't the Ghormans know about the Kalkite? Or at least immediately suspect that the Imperials were after something (mineral-wise) physically located on their planet's surface? The psuedo-French resistance is like "they're so evil - they want to build an armory and office buildings" The Empire has giant Imperial warships - why the fuck would they need to build an armory or office towers on a small planet hostile to their presence (& filled with giant spiders)?

You'd think the Ghormans would know about their planet and the minerals that lay underneath. I suppose they were too busy telling the Empire to get bent while designing fashion clothes. Still, fleeing the planet and taking their spiders with them was an option. They are a wealthy system; they can afford more than a few bulk cruisers to transport their spiders and the 800K Ghormans to another temperate climate world.

The Empire really should've just told them.

The Ghorman plot only happened 'cause everyone involved on both sides was dumb af/made things needlessly complicated for no reason (or maybe the ISP Psy-Op department thought up a way to scam the Emperor & Krennic for overtime hours? You know what - fuckkit, that's now my headcannon).

The story needed someone to die to trigger the Rebels to hate the Empire even more, and it can't be another alien race that the humans probably see as animals.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

They are a wealthy system; they can afford more than a few bulk cruisers to transport their spiders and the 800K Ghormans to another temperate climate world.

The Empire really should've just told them.

Hey Ghormans, you arrogant fools that we've oppressed since the beginning of our empire, turns out there's an important mineral on your planet. No, you can't sell it to us. We are going to mine it ourselves without compensating you. Also, the process to obtain the mineral is going to destroy your planet on a geologic level, to the point that it will cause damage to the planet's core.

Our solution is to take all of you and your precious spiders and put them on an entirely different but temperate planet. Now, the Empire knows that you are fiercely nationalistic on top of people generally being opposed to forced or voluntary relocation. However, we trust that you will follow the request of an empire that has never benefitted you and that your new ecosystem will be hospitable to the spiders that you require for your livelihoods.

 

[Ghostse]

Hey Ghormans, you arrogant fools that we've oppressed since the beginning of our empire, turns out there's an important mineral on your planet. No, you can't sell it to us. We are going to mine it ourselves without compensating you. Also, the process to obtain the mineral is going to destroy your planet on a geologic level, to the point that it will cause damage to the planet's core.

Our solution is to take all of you and your precious spiders and put them on an entirely different but temperate planet. Now, the Empire knows that you are fiercely nationalistic on top of people generally being opposed to forced or voluntary relocation. However, we trust that you will follow the request of an empire that has never benefitted you and that your new ecosystem will be hospitable to the spiders that you require for your livelihoods.

They have been coded as space french.
The Empire is doing the right thing by genociding them instead of inflicting the Space French on an innocent, unsuspecting planet.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Hey Ghormans, you arrogant fools that we've oppressed since the beginning of our empire, turns out there's an important mineral on your planet. No, you can't sell it to us. We are going to mine it ourselves without compensating you. Also, the process to obtain the mineral is going to destroy your planet on a geologic level, to the point that it will cause damage to the planet's core.

Our solution is to take all of you and your precious spiders and put them on an entirely different but temperate planet. Now, the Empire knows that you are fiercely nationalistic on top of people generally being opposed to forced or voluntary relocation. However, we trust that you will follow the request of an empire that has never benefitted you and that your new ecosystem will be hospitable to the spiders that you require for your livelihoods.

More like this:

"Dear Ghormans,

It has come to our attention that your planet has a very valuable, very rare mineral underneath the soil. The boys at the lab call it Ghorman Kalkite. This stone is very important for the Emperor's clean energy experiments to revolutionize the energy market and provide clean, unlimited energy for all. Unfortunately, extracting the mineral from your soil will cause the planet to become unstable, perhaps even collapse.

We know how much you love your home world. But for the good of the galaxy, we need that Kalkite. We understand how taxing this sounds, but the Emperor makes decisions for the good of the entire galaxy, and if he has to sacrifice one world for it, he must. It is his calling.

However, we are willing to bargain. We are willing to pay your government 50 billion credits to move. And you can take up our offer of relocating/colonizing a total of up to 2-3 worlds with temperate climate that is similar to your planet, and good for your spiders to thrive and grow in. You can even rename these planets after your old homeworld. You can take both offers so that your 800,000-strong population can live like kings at the Empire's expense, and construction droids are already on those worlds ready for the work of building prefab shelters for your people.

Together, we can make the galaxy strong. Together we can bring peace and clean energy for all. And together, we can grow more bountiful and prosperous.

Serve your Emperor. Serve your Empire. Serve your galaxy. This sacrifice of yours will go down in history as the herald of a new age of peace and prosperity.

And know that if you say no, if you refuse the Emperor's most generous offer, the consequences will be most severe."