I'm sorry that we followed the maximum that Jesus said that is render on the Caesar. Those things that are Caesar's and render on the gob, those things out of God's. And here's The funny thing about the Patriarchs of Russia and the Patriarchs of Constantinople. Both of them were heavily condemned and criticized for both actions throughout the entirety of the time it was going on.
An Orthobro using the 'render unto Caesar' maxim to justify bootlicking the state? I wish I could be surprised, but I have seen this exact phenomenon many times in all my years on the Internet. And here I thought that all things were supposed to ultimately belong to God, including Caesar's own soul and the minerals with which he minted his coins. Jesus' phrase of rendering unto Caesar was made in the context of him having identified the Pharisees' denarius as bearing the image of Caesar; but in the Christian worldview, all men bear the image of God in which they were created. So while Caesar may have minted that coin, he obviously did not create the human race. Thus indeed, let each be rendered unto their maker: give the coin which Caesar made to him as is only fair, but then let all men give themselves over to God's law & judgment by the same standard, Caesar himself most certainly included.
(Not to mention that Jesus is pointing out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees without spelling it right out for them. The question he asks has clear implications: 'Whose image and inscription is this?' Why it's the coin of Tiberius Caesar, and his image is on it. Along with his full title...in which he claims to be a god, as most Roman Emperors did. The First Commandment, of course, is 'thou shalt have no other gods before Me'. By even having that coin, the Pharisees went against their own highest commandment, and Jesus caught them in the exact bind they tried to set for Him. They couldn't answer the question
he asked them without admitting to a far worse crime than what they were planning to accuse him of.)
Let's stack over the fun popes. Pope Borja who basically is so corrupt he makes a great HBO series about how much he was basically wanting the Vatican, like his own private Cathouse.
You have modern Pope Francis, who literally has zero balls and literally turned the Vatican. into a homosexual warship fag cult.
Nicholas V
Allowed Catholics to burn down the most sacred city in Orthodoxy, Constantinople. because nothing says pushing the Ottoman Turks back and Muslim expansionism back, like burning down the most important city, defending the eastern flank of christendom..
It would be quite the trick for Nicholas V to have been responsible for the Fourth Crusade, considering he was born almost 200 years after that event. In fact he actually tried to organize another crusade to
save & retake Constantinople for Christendom, not to destroy it (even more), only for none of the Catholic rulers to bite at the time due to prioritizing their own problems.
Innocent III was the one in the Seat of St. Peter when that happened, and he had already excommunicated the crusaders before they even attacked the Byzantines. But perhaps if the Byzantines didn't want their capital sacked by angry crusaders in the first place, they shouldn't have been backstabbing crusades since the First (where Alexios I abandoned the crusading army to what he thought would be their deaths at Antioch) and
massacred the Catholics of Constantinople 20 years prior. I mean God damn, look at how many Catholics were estimated to have been murdered by Orthodox lynch mobs compared to
how many Orthodox civvies were murdered by the rampaging crusaders in 1204, looks to me as though the Orthodox didn't just bring that tide of shit on their own heads but also that the crusaders could've been a lot harsher (like, at least 30x harsher for a 'proportionate' response) and still been perfectly justified.
Also, the Ottomans wouldn't even be around for almost another century after the sack and it was the Byzantines' own retardation & overindulgence in civil wars (
in some of which they invited the Turks in as mercenaries) which did them in - they actually had somewhat of a revival in power & fortunes in the late 13th to early 14th centuries under the early Palaiologoi Emperors, only to piss it all away within less than a century. And the Orthodox Byzantines were so butthurt about their schemes finally blowing up in their own face back in 1204 that they actually welcomed Turkish rule ('better the Sultan's turban than the Pope's mitre' as no less than Loukas Notaras, the second-in-command of the last Byzantine Emperor, said) rather than accept Western help in the end, anyway.
Now you just elected a guy who literally downplayed sexual abuse of minors. But then again, the Catholic Church at this point is an international human trafficking organization and sex trafficking organization for pedophiles and anti white communists.
Hopefully more people flee the sinking ship of Catholicism Catholics on the Internet, or somehow. the most obnoxious people on the face of the planet. There's absolutely nothing wrong with our house on fire.
Bold to automatically assume that I'm a Catholic, rather than someone who just doesn't like it when the historically illiterate braindead decide to start building catapults to fire boulders from within their ultra-thin glass houses. Aside from 'render unto Caesar', I also do believe Jesus had something to say about not crowing about the splinters or specks of wood in others' eyes while paying no attention to the log jammed into your own.
You know the difference? We acknowledge those things. The Catholics to this day forget the fact that for the better part of the last 70 years, they've been covering up literal child rape.
And before that, they had no problem with liberation theology, wanting wild all over the Catholic Church, where the Orthodox Church condemned anybody who remotely approached working with communists.
That's news to me, considering that JPII was firmly against liberation theology while Benedict (besides, as said, having been JPII's enforcer vs. the liberation theology crowd) was firmly against priests' abuse of children and actually tried to crack down on it. In fact it's probably one of the many reasons the cheese pizza-enjoying powers that be engineered that coup to oust him ahead of Francis' own election.
Nigger, I have no idea how you can persist in spouting such obvious BS when the various Orthodox Churches were so quickly buckbroken into becoming willing and even eager supporters of the Communist dictatorships until the minute the Iron Curtain came crashing down, and were even infested with their secret policemen (to the tune of 80%+ in cases like Romania's and Bulgaria's as I linked to previously).
The Orthodox Church itself was working with the Communists, evidently very enthusiastically in quite a few places even, for decades.
We also don't have a problem with people allowing homosexual blessings in our church. It was one incident recently in Greece and the priest was immediately condemned by the patriarch of Greece.
The Catholics were fundamental in pushing the anti white, plagiarist, communist, **** Martin Luther King Jr, to the forefront.
That's not even bringing in to factor the situation where the Knights Templar, a militant order that defended pilgrims on the way to the Holy Land, was attacked simply due to the fact that the then King of France owed them a lot of money, and his brother just happened to be the Pope. No corruption there, guys.
That's not even getting to the fact that during the 1400s the Catholic Church was basically the dogs of the French crown.
So much so that they literally created a second pope, because that's how much the Catholics are totally not worldly guys. They just literally will lick the boots of the French monarchy.
Hey guess what, the Avignon Papacy is considered a low point by the Catholic Church itself - they call it the 'Babylonian Captivity of the Church' - and how'd it end? Ah, not only did the Catholics themselves elect an anti-French Pope rather than sit around waiting for a foreign power like England or the HRE to save their ass (it was the
French who 'created a second Pope', AKA an Antipope, because they didn't want their puppet escaping from within their grasp and hoped to plant their guy back in the Papal seat - a task in which they
failed)
but they waged a half-century of conflict over the issue.
A half-century of conflict which ended not with the Frogs winning, but with a Western Church Council coming together to collectively declare the entire line of French puppets going back to the schism's start to be invalid Antipopes. It's the line of anti-French Popes from Urban VI (the first one to decisively break with France) who are recognized as the legitimate ones to this day. Meanwhile to tie this back into the above point, Tsar Peter is still celebrated as 'the Great', not condemned for shutting the Patriarchate down and completely puppetizing the Russian Church. I sure as shit don't see any denunciation of Patriarch Sergius of Moscow and his successors and withdrawal of any recognition of their legitimacy (as had been done to the Avignon antipopes) for being Communist thralls, expulsions of Balkan or ex-Soviet clergy for being spies and supporters of the fallen Communist regimes (well, in places like Romania, that would probably mean their local Orthodox Church ceases to exist altogether...), calls on the Ecumenical Patriarch to apologize for his predecessors being willing collaborators of the Ottoman Sultans, etc.
So sure, you can say that the Catholic Church did fall captive to worldly powers and that the Babylonian Captivity under France wouldn't even be the last time (and certainly also that there were bad Popes), shit happens in this shitty world we all have to live in. But the difference between them and the Orthodox is that at least the Catholics fought against it and - in the cases of both the Western Schism and the 'Prisoner in the Vatican' episode following the unification of Italy - won (albeit, obviously, a lesser victory in the latter case than in the former, since the Papal State presently consists of the Vatican rather than the whole of Lazio, much less all of central Italy).
