VTuber Kirsche Verstahl - Host of Foxu News and anti-BRIDGE activist.

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All the images except for the header and the Anal's tweet were removed from the article, most likely due to Kirsche's open letter.

Checking Archive.IS there are actually 4 snapshots of the article



The original May 12th Archive includes all the images. The other 3 archives have the screenshots removed. I'm guessing they realized right away they fucked up and decided to hide the evidence.

 

[Molag Bal]

Looks like a cosplayer was sent to mail it, lmao.

Oh god what have you done (not this thread specifically, I mean kirsche viewers/chatters in general)?
Everyone who has been calling for a lawsuit is ass fucking retarded. She's got 2 digit damages and US American defamation law is such a massive joke, it may as well not exist. The Vic case should have proven that. As a reminder for those who don't know about that
>the 'evidence' used for the entire campaign calling Vic a serial rapist was one tweet from one no-name woman who as far as anyone knows, may have never interacted with him and might even be a sock belonging to one of the plaintiffs
>the plaintiffs contacted other studios and told them to drop him and blacklist him from future productions or else they would cause problems for them
>the plaintiffs contacted every convention Vic went to and told them to ban him or else they will expand their campaign claiming they platform a serial rapist and tell any colleagues they hold sway with to boycott their convention
>the conventions had running, pre-existing, signed contracts with Vic and broke/voided them as a result of the plaintiffs' actions, causing him massive financial damages
The courts still treated this like it was a nuanced both-sides-have-points issue, stretched it out from what should have been months, to several years, and then struck it down citing SLAPP.

If Vic with all the contracts they cost him and the business opportunities they destroyed, can't overcome the SLAPP hurdle, then Kirsche certainly can't do that, especially since she doesn't have the funds Vic had.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Oh god what have you done (not this thread specifically, I mean kirsche viewers/chatters in general)?
Everyone who has been calling for a lawsuit is ass fucking retarded. She's got 2 digit damages and US American defamation law is such a massive joke, it may as well not exist. The Vic case should have proven that. As a reminder for those who don't know about that
>the 'evidence' used for the entire campaign calling Vic a serial rapist was one tweet from one no-name woman who as far as anyone knows, may have never interacted with him and might even be a sock belonging to one of the plaintiffs
>the plaintiffs contacted other studios and told them to drop him and blacklist him from future productions or else they would cause problems for them
>the plaintiffs contacted every convention Vic went to and told them to ban him or else they will expand their campaign claiming they platform a serial rapist and tell any colleagues they hold sway with to boycott their convention
>the conventions had running, pre-existing, signed contracts with Vic and broke/voided them as a result of the plaintiffs' actions, causing him massive financial damages
The courts still treated this like it was a nuanced both-sides-have-points issue, stretched it out from what should have been months, to several years, and then struck it down citing SLAPP.

If Vic with all the contracts they cost him and the business opportunities they destroyed, can't overcome the SLAPP hurdle, then Kirsche certainly can't do that, especially since she doesn't have the funds Vic had.

While I agree about how hard it will be for a lawsuit from kirsche the biggest problem vic had was hiring a internet meme lawyer who was more interested in fondling his Warhammer figures in his beard then filing paperwork on time.

Would vic have won if administrative process was followed properly? Dunno but would have had better chances then what he got.

 

[BathTubShine]

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Vic lost because he trusted Cuck Popes friend (Ty Beard) to file shit on time before deadline. Well he didn't file them on time and failed to notarise other documents.

 

[Molag Bal]

While I agree about how hard it will be for a lawsuit from kirsche the biggest problem vic had was hiring a internet meme lawyer who was more interested in fondling his Warhammer figures in his beard then filing paperwork on time.

Would vic have won if administrative process was followed properly? Dunno but would have had better chances then what he got.

If defamation law in the US wasn't a joke, Chupp would have glanced at all the shit they had done for 5 minutes and said "You clearly did this on purpose to hurt him financially, with no credible reason to believe what you were claiming was true, and you did hurt him financially. Guilty, Vic is right, maximum payout, next case." I don't see how a sane person could look at the shit they've done and come to a different conclusion.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

If defamation law in the US wasn't a joke, Chupp would have glanced at all the shit they had done for 5 minutes and said "You clearly did this on purpose to hurt him financially, with no credible reason to believe what you were claiming was true, and you did hurt him financially. Guilty, Vic is right, maximum payout, next case." I don't see how a sane person could look at the shit they've done and come to a different conclusion.

I know that Ty's conduct didn't do the case any favors (plus his firm didn't actually deal with that sort of case lol), but wasn't it basically a case of Chupp saying "I don' wanna deal with this fucking nerd shit, dismissed" and the appellate court more or less saying the same thing?

 

[Molag Bal]

I know that Ty's conduct didn't do the case any favors (plus his firm didn't actually deal with that sort of case lol), but wasn't it basically a case of Chupp saying "I don' wanna deal with this fucking nerd shit, dismissed" and the appellate court more or less saying the same thing?

That was only after a back and forth which shouldn't have lasted as long as it did in the first place.
The point I'm making is that in terms of the facts of the case, it was an open-and-shut case where he was clearly in the right, and he still lost. Did Ty Beard's antics not help? Sure, but it shouldn't have been treated even-handedly enough for him to be able to tank it in the first place. If Vic couldn't win, there is no way in hell Kirsche can. She's got 2 digit damages in opportunity cost, compare that to Vic who had tens of thousands, or more, in damages and all with signed contracts that were destroyed as a result of their actions too.
Kirsche, to my knowledge, never signed a contract with the crimeboss people, so she can't even claim tortious interference.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

If defamation law in the US wasn't a joke, Chupp would have glanced at all the shit they had done for 5 minutes and said "You clearly did this on purpose to hurt him financially, with no credible reason to believe what you were claiming was true, and you did hurt him financially. Guilty, Vic is right, maximum payout, next case." I don't see how a sane person could look at the shit they've done and come to a different conclusion.

I agree but from my (possibly retarded) understanding they have to follow procedure to a T else it gives room for saying the judge was giving bias to a party.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Checking Archive.IS there are actually 4 snapshots of the article

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The original May 12th Archive includes all the images. The other 3 archives have the screenshots removed. I'm guessing they realized right away they fucked up and decided to hide the evidence.

i hope our new vtuber friends realize the importance of prompt and proper archiving.

>the plaintiffs contacted every convention Vic went to and told them to ban him or else they will expand their campaign claiming they platform a serial rapist and tell any colleagues they hold sway with to boycott their convention

this wasn't proven even by vic in his pleadings, rial had an affadavit from the owner of kawaii con saying a volunteer requested not to be assigned to vic for reasons, and that was reason why he disinvited vic. vic's con guy neglected to say rial and toye pressured him into disinviting vic in his affadavit (according to lemoney).

there was also an issue that vic still had cons to appear in which hurt his damages claims

The point I'm making is that in terms of the facts of the case, it was an open-and-shut case where he was clearly in the right, and he still lost.

it was only open and shut at first glance. as the case continued it became less of a slam dunk and more murky. vic's deposition where he admits the incident marchi described did happen turned the accusation of "they're lying" into "they have a different opinion of the incident".

strangely enough, marchi's literal strip mall lawyer was the most competant because it was her pleading that got vic pegged as a public figure. oops. that's the problem with suing multiple people, there's more work for your lawyer and shit can get missed.

 

[majorplayer]

BTFO. Fucking SEA monkey tucking his tail between his legs.
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What a fucking pussy. He was popping all that good shit a second ago.

 

[breadandcircuses]

Did it convince you to consoom?

I will admit that I bought a non anime, plain graphic shaker cup kit using her code in a show of support.

 

[not william stenchever]

hiring a internet meme lawyer who was more interested in fondling his Warhammer figures in his beard then filing paperwork on time.

Battletech was more Ty Beard's thing. It was Rackets that was more into 40k. However, the legal outcome resulting from hiring Ty Beard ended up being as if you were handed a Capellan public defender who's primary job is to assist the procescution.

 

[smelly dumb journo scum]

She is threatening to go to court if VICE does not stop & retract their articles.
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I hope Kirsche has a Lawyer on the ready so the open letter isn't just a empty threat. I still think her going through with a lawsuit is a awful idea, but hopefully just the threat of one makes Vice issue a retraction.

Has she specified which are the statements in the Vice article that she considers to be defamatory?

 

[Can of Bread]

despite the thing being an MLM

Gamersupps is not, in any way, an MLM. MLM means Multi-Level Marketing. It was the new term for Pyramid Scheme before people got wise, and now there are like 4 interchangeable terms for the same thing.
An MLM works by having people sell products, but, more importantly, get people to sell products on behalf of them, who will then try to do the same. Everyone above gets a percentage of the sales of those below. Also, those who are actually selling the product are buying the product from the company "at a reduced rate" to resell, so if shit goes tits up the ones at the bottom are left holding the bag.

Gamersupps is nothing like this. It's a affiliate-merchandise company. They get influencers to give them access to their brands to create merchandise as well as promote said merchandise, and then both groups take a cut of the revenue. You can make arguments on the quality of the product, sure, but its overall business strategy is not an all-but-outright scam like an MLM.

 

[marvlouslie]

Has she specified which are the statements in the Vice article that she considers to be defamatory?

The entire fucking article?

 

[Suikafag]

HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER


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It seems as of though everyones favorite drunk balldo lovin lawyer has stepped up to bat and has replied to Kirsches latest tweet showing his support for the foxu.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Has she specified which are the statements in the Vice article that she considers to be defamatory?

the allegations of being a wignat, racist, probably transphobe.

Gamersupps is not, in any way, an MLM. MLM means Multi-Level Marketing. It was the new term for Pyramid Scheme before people got wise, and now there are like 4 interchangeable terms for the same thing.
An MLM works by having people sell products, but, more importantly, get people to sell products on behalf of them, who will then try to do the same. Everyone above gets a percentage of the sales of those below. Also, those who are actually selling the product are buying the product from the company "at a reduced rate" to resell, so if shit goes tits up the ones at the bottom are left holding the bag.

Gamersupps is nothing like this. It's a affiliate-merchandise company. They get influencers to give them access to their brands to create merchandise as well as promote said merchandise, and then both groups take a cut of the revenue. You can make arguments on the quality of the product, sure, but its overall business strategy is not an all-but-outright scam like an MLM.

fine, we'll call it a SLM if you want to be pedantic. a non employee does the marketing and sale of the shit on commision.

 

[Can of Bread]

It seems as of though everyones favorite drunk balldo lovin lawyer has stepped up to bat and has replied to Kirsches latest tweet showing his support for the foxu.

In the next couple hours/days, he'll admit in a nitrous-induced haze that he actually is just supporting her for content.
Optimistic of him to think he won't either be in jail for parole violation, or dead from loss of brain cells, by the time a possible case gets to where he can grift off of it.

 

[Molag Bal]

It seems as of though everyones favorite drunk balldo lovin lawyer has stepped up to bat and has replied to Kirsches latest tweet showing his support for the foxu.

>the balldo lawyer who referred Ty Beard to Vic and thought Eric July couldn't make a million dollars pronounced his support for Kirsche
That only makes her prospects even more grim.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

>the balldo lawyer who referred Ty Beard to Vic and thought Eric July couldn't make a million dollars pronounced his support for Kirsche
That only makes her prospects even more grim.

with rackets and legal mindset in her corner she's gonna end up with six figure legal debt.

e:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/vtubing-has-an-elephant-in-the-room-bigotry/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/waypoint-stands-with-ana-valens/

does these linkz work for anyone? im getting a not found error.