Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Grippens, Meteor missiles and Taurus are game changers. Russian glacial progress is not a given.
Gripens are too few in number to be game changers by themselves. If and when they do show up, they'll join the backline with the Mirage 2000s and SU-24Ms as cruise missile dispensers. While the frontline is SU-27s, Mig-29s and F-16s.
 
Never said they do like Russia though. But they don't hate it enough to sacrifice much, as is evident from the progression of this conflict.
If West was actually trying, Ukraine would at the very least would have it's own territories back. Though I guess Crimea would be a nightmare to retake.
We can agree on that. But we, the public, are not privy to the same levels of intelligence as people in high places. Perhaps there's a real risk of nooks. And there are double agents in both sides, so giving sensitive tech may result in Russia getting it too.

From what it seems, Europe wants Ukraine to be Russia's new Afghanistan boogaloo, at the cost of the Ukrainian population.
 
Ahh yes, I'm sure they're back to post-Stalin regime antics, where the artillery battalions are just living to report how many tons of ordnance they've used up, not caring about if something was actually achieved.
Your mistake is believing they ever stopped. Russia has innovated rapidly in the use of drones, but every other aspect of its military doctrine has remained virtually unchanged since the 50s. Even how it uses drone warfare doesn't stray too far from the core positions of centralised command and substitution of mass for precision. This is easily observable. Ukraine likewise remained stuck in cold war soviet doctrine until 2014, when a white paper was published recommending root and branch reform of the military to adopt western-style unit organisation, with a robust demand-based supply system and establishment of a professional NCO corps (amongst other things), but it took until this year for them to abandon some core doctrines that Russia still doggedly holds to.
 

Ukraine-Russia talks in Istanbul end after an hour. There was a 1000 for a 1000 POW exchange, but in these direct talks Russia demanded Ukraine quit the four regions Russia pretend annexed and still doesn't control. That would near triple what Russia controls. It was a meme demand from a meme delegation led by a joke academic who was accused of plagiarism. Predictable, but direct talks are something.
 
Do you really care about the dead Russians?
Safe to assume Ukraine has lost similar numbers and resources for them are a lot more limited, especially now as the "Free World" is starting to get tired of the conflict.
Continuing the conflict today benefits Ukrainians in no shape or form anymore.
Why are ziggers routinely the dumbest niggers in this site?
 
"Ummm, just heckin surrender and let the literal gay genocidal rapists occupy your country :)))"
Dumbest niggers alive, like I said.
Alternative is to have your country even more destroyed so at some point the actually gay rapists can say that all the blood you spilt is meaningless and you owe them for the "aid"? Wonderful.
 
so at some point the actually gay rapists can say that all the blood you spilt is meaningless and you owe them for the "aid"?
Continuing the meat grinder is the only way to ensure rusniggers continue to die the horrible deaths they deserve, why would you want peace when you could instead get to enjoy a world with more dead rusnegroes in it?
 
Continuing the meat grinder is the only way to ensure rusniggers continue to die the horrible deaths they deserve, why would you want peace when you could instead get to enjoy a world with more dead rusnegroes in it?
Because as someone, who also lives in a border state, I don't think my blood or the blood of my people is worth spilling so some western soyboy faggots can feel good about less rusniggers in the world or something. Honestly, those people deserve to be replaced by inbred sandpeople or whatever.
 
Because as someone, who also lives in a border state, I don't think my blood or the blood of my people is worth spilling so some western soyboy faggots can feel good about less rusniggers in the world or something. Honestly, those people deserve to be replaced by inbred sandpeople or whatever.
Total zegroe death, the rusnigerien is simply not human, I'm sure you'd love to exist in peace and love with your brotherly neighbour but the sooner you accept the only good muscovite is one being used as fertilizer the better; unless you'd prefer being returned the status of gubyernatoria?
The world will be a better place once the boundary of Asiatica is reset along the Volga.
 

Ukraine-Russia talks in Istanbul end after an hour. There was a 1000 for a 1000 POW exchange, but in these direct talks Russia demanded Ukraine quit the four regions Russia pretend annexed and still doesn't control. That would near triple what Russia controls. It was a meme demand from a meme delegation led by a joke academic who was accused of plagiarism. Predictable, but direct talks are something.

It's Putin playing political theatre - the war can't end at this point without Ukraine having to accept some kind of resolution where Russia gains more than it lost, since the economy is in full war mode and it allows Putin to be even more of an authoritarian despot than he already was.
 
Because as someone, who also lives in a border state, I don't think my blood or the blood of my people is worth spilling so some western soyboy faggots can feel good about less rusniggers in the world or something. Honestly, those people deserve to be replaced by inbred sandpeople or whatever.
I made the mistake of trying to debate people in the other thread, it was a big mistake. You should follow suit and give up, be with your people.
 
Because as someone, who also lives in a border state, I don't think my blood or the blood of my people is worth spilling so some western soyboy faggots can feel good about less rusniggers in the world or something. Honestly, those people deserve to be replaced by inbred sandpeople or whatever.
"Ummm I'm a huge pussy so you need to be a huge pussy too, OKAY????"
Lol
Lmao
 
Yeah, only a real man would go crying to the other thread tagging a mod.
You truly are a little cumsucking bitch.
Why are you whinging like a giant faggot and shitting up a thead, then complaining that the other guy isn't a real man? Which special needs school do you go to so we can send you back to your tard wrangler?
 
permanently threadbanned
Why are you whinging like a giant faggot and shitting up a thead, then complaining that the other guy isn't a real man? Which special needs school do you go to so we can send you back to your tard wrangler?
Oh did I insult your boyfriend? Sorry to interrupt your little circlejerk here.
 
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