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are you trying to insinuate i'm taking the unabomber position because i have no clue what you're talking about

we live in a society, man. i don't even know what you're trying to say. you're going to recieve some benefit from the people around you as a result of your labor. that's how a society functions. the smallest unit of that society is an invidual person, not a eusocial worker drone that subsumes the roles of the collective.
A single person, stripped of any collective context (family, village, religion, ethnicity) in which people support one another and consider one another members of a group with duties to that group, is much weaker than one who exists within those frameworks and has sacrificed some degree of individual autonomy to do so. Of course society is reducible to the individual, but individuals derive a huge amount of advantage and benefit from various collective associations and actions. Choosing to 'go it alone' without engaging in any sort of collective action doesn't make you stronger, it makes you profoundly weaker. People can certainly choose to do so, but the idea that this isn't a sacrifice is nonsense. The more collective support and obligations you strip away, the weaker you become. Someone who pursued the extreme form of this in the middle ages (hermits) never took it as a sign of strength - it was always seen as a sacrifice.
 
A single person, stripped of any collective context (family, village, religion, ethnicity) in which people support one another and consider one another members of a group with duties to that group, is much weaker than one who exists within those frameworks and has sacrificed some degree of individual autonomy to do so. Of course society is reducible to the individual, but individuals derive a huge amount of advantage and benefit from various collective associations and actions. Choosing to 'go it alone' without engaging in any sort of collective action doesn't make you stronger, it makes you profoundly weaker. People can certainly choose to do so, but the idea that this isn't a sacrifice is nonsense. The more collective support and obligations you strip away, the weaker you become.
Yeah and the current context we live in is a society that seeks to strip all native/natural collectivist aggregations and render them into ideological identities that end up serving a single cohort.

So, in such a system, individualism after a fashion is stronger in ways such as allowing for the eyeing of opportunities others would not notice, or by being a breakout individual who is capable of establishing your own collective-within-the-collective.

It's not individualism vs collectivism. It's never black and white like that. To say one is 'worth more' than the other is as idiotic as saying cars are better than boats.
 
A single person, stripped of any collective context (family, village, religion, ethnicity) in which people support one another and consider one another members of a group with duties to that group, is much weaker than one who exists within those frameworks and has sacrificed some degree of individual autonomy to do so. Of course society is reducible to the individual, but individuals derive a huge amount of advantage and benefit from various collective associations and actions. Choosing to 'go it alone' without engaging in any sort of collective action doesn't make you stronger, it makes you profoundly weaker. People can certainly choose to do so, but the idea that this isn't a sacrifice is nonsense. The more collective support and obligations you strip away, the weaker you become. Someone who pursued the extreme form of this in the middle ages (hermits) never took it as a sign of strength - it was always seen as a sacrifice.
the post you're quoting literally says "i'm not taking the unabomber position" so i don't know why you doubled down on explaining why it's dumb
 
Yeah and the current context we live in is a society that seeks to strip all native/natural collectivist aggregations and render them into ideological identities that end up serving a single cohort.

So, in such a system, individualism after a fashion is stronger in ways such as allowing for the eyeing of opportunities others would not notice, or by being a breakout individual who is capable of establishing your own collective-within-the-collective.

It's not individualism vs collectivism. It's never black and white like that. To say one is 'worth more' than the other is as idiotic as saying cars are better than boats.
it's ayn rand level cosmic idealism and it's really annoying that you can preface things with "i am speaking entirely about brass tacks" and you'll still get people throwing millenialist bullshit at you
 
The social contract died when Citizens United v United States came down in favor of the corpos. Larry Fink and his ilk were already the unofficial kings of the U.S but once that actually got enshrined as law it was actually literally Joever in terms of the United States being a real country.
The "real country" you're referring to is just the baby boomer cultural hegemony manufactured at the end of ww2 where they had to carefully maintain the image that the US military industrial complex was trustworthy and that there were real patriots fighting hard inside of it. It's a fucking lie and it was always a lie. they just took the gloves off.

america is combination liquor/tackle stores and used car lots. it's smoking a joint while laughing at the kids doing donuts in a church parking lot. it's a chinese resturant run by cambodian immigrants staffed with shoeless children and $8 takeout boxes with mystery meat. It has absolutely nothing to do with what some faggot jew banker wants people to think
 
The one common American identity that can be traced back to the founding is hating taxes and the faggots who want to take your guns so you can't do anything about it.
Need the damn suppressor laws redone for sure. And the NFA totally scrapped. There's bits and pieces going on but at the rate it'll take another 100 years to get rid of it fully. The Force Trigger Reset is a tiny step in the right direction but doesn't really mean much in the end.
 
I despise the liberal narrative of immigration because america is the new colossus, it was created out of the discarded parts of other nations to form a sum much greater than its parts ever were and it completely dominated the 19th and 20th century by being an immigration powerhouse. but the modern world doesn't need manpower anymore so we gotta pretend that it was just white protestants from 1776 to now
 
The social contract died when Citizens United v United States came down in favor of the corpos. Larry Fink and his ilk were already the unofficial kings of the U.S but once that actually got enshrined as law it was actually literally Joever in terms of the United States being a real country.
Larry Fink had nothing to do with Hillary: The Movie. Citzens United was about whether the people who made the movie should go to prison because their company was a 501(c)(4) instead of an S-corp. Everyone who thinks it would be totally awesome and empowering to the people if the government had broad censorship powers over any communication published at an organizational level, including the ability to imprison people involved in producing or disseminating forbidden content, hasn't thought about the implications of that at all.
 
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HOA's are the libertarians' most acceptable alternative to government because it is private, and voluntary. So you'll often find a libertarian crowd supporting HOAs as well because they don't consider it government because private entity=good.
This explains why they have a reputation for petty, power-tripping, and nonsensical leadership.
 
Nice to see that the Democrats' true colors of refugee status come to light with Trump's recent action of accepting Arikaner refugees. Everybody is up in arms because the refugees happen to be White, yet conveniently ignore the blatant racial discrimination that they suffer from. They're completely fine with flooding immigration with Somalians and Haitians despite themselves proving that they are incapable of assimilating into Western society.
 
Nice to see that the Democrats' true colors of refugee status come to light with Trump's recent action of accepting Arikaner refugees. Everybody is up in arms because the refugees happen to be White, yet conveniently ignore the blatant racial discrimination that they suffer from. They're completely fine with flooding immigration with Somalians and Haitians despite themselves proving that they are incapable of assimilating into Western society.
They import migitants who can't assmilte who will vote for them whilst they live in gated communities.
 
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