Switzerland to demand ID and data retention for Internet services - Proton possibly BTFO

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"Whether it’s incidents of hate speech online or attackers who have radicalized themselves on the internet, there is a recurring demand from some politicians and parts of society for greater transparency in the digital realm, such as through messenger surveillance or mandatory real-name usage. At this point, it’s worth taking a look at Switzerland, where a significant expansion of internet surveillance is on the horizon. The fact that this reform is being carried out by regulation is not the only aspect that has drawn heavy criticism.

ID, please​


Switzerland's surveillance law distinguishes between telecommunications service providers (TSPs), which offer traditional public telecommunication services, and providers of derived communication services (DCSs). This second category is now in the sights of the "Post and Telecommunications Surveillance Service" (DÜPF), which broadly interprets its mandate in its report, extending surveillance requirements not only to traditional messaging services but also to cloud, document, and VPN services. The DÜPF openly criticizes the existing separation, which treats the first group more strictly, and wants to subject similar IT companies to the same surveillance obligations in the future.


Specifically, this means that online services with at least 5,000 users would be required to store metadata—such as IP addresses or port numbers—on file for six months. Additionally, these services would be compelled to assist the police and intelligence agencies in decrypting content. According to the independent Swiss online magazine Republik, this would mean that any website where users can send direct messages would be affected.


As a second change, service providers would have to identify their users. This would require submitting a copy of an ID card or driver’s license, or providing a phone number linked to a Swiss-registered SIM card, which would already be tied to an identity. Technical details like IP addresses are explicitly excluded from sufficiency in the Federal Council’s report.


By Regulation​


After three similar attempts were blocked by Swiss courts, the government, represented by the Federal Council and the Federal Department of Justice and Police, has now chosen a different approach: the new surveillance regulations will be introduced not with parliamentary involvement, but through amendments to the ordinance on the surveillance of postal and telecommunications traffic (VÜPF) and the corresponding implementation rules.


The public consultation phase, which lasted for about three months, ended on May 6. This phase allows various groups to submit their feedback, but legally binding reviews do not exist, and there is no veto right. Republik calls it "a highly questionable approach from a democratic standpoint" to pursue this route through regulation.


According to the Federal Council and the Justice Department, the measure aims to "standardize certain information and allow for retroactive surveillance regarding user identification." Cooperation from companies in the telecommunications sector is deemed essential for effective monitoring of telecommunications traffic. Every surveillance measure must be validated by a compulsory measures court and "will not affect the general public, but solely suspected criminals." A spokesperson from the surveillance service also claimed, "Most companies will never hear from us and are already collecting this data."


"Like Written by the Kremlin"​


Lawyer Jonathan Messner, who has studied the proposal in detail, disagrees in his conversation with Republik: "Those who claim the data is 'already being collected' are overlooking the fact that many users and providers do not want this—and are now being forced to do so." Indeed, creating an account on the affected websites until now required little to no personal information. Moreover, Messner points out that law enforcement agencies could request automated data from companies every five seconds and "build a complete history in real-time." He argues that with this, internet anonymity would be entirely eliminated, and Republik criticizes that the proposal "sounds like it was written by the Kremlin."


Many share this view. The association Digitale Gesellschaft expressed in a statement: "In the future, it would likely be impossible to use a chat app without having an official ID linked to it, either directly or indirectly." Not only individuals would be affected, but also "people bound by professional confidentiality, such as journalists or lawyers," as well as vulnerable groups like people with unresolved residency status or activists. The Committee on Transport and Telecommunications of the National Council also issued a statement at the end of April recommending rejecting the initiative.


"Massive Burden" for SMEs​


Another aspect highlighted in both statements is the "massive effort" the reform would require from small and medium-sized businesses to secure the new databases against cyberattacks. Digitale Gesellschaft concludes that "the obligations for pilot projects, non-profits, or open-source services would be so burdensome that many companies would be effectively forced to relocate or even not develop services." Furthermore, the regulation would make foreign tech giants like Meta more powerful, as Swiss laws would not apply to them.


Threema and Proton in Focus​


The new measures specifically target encrypted communication services like Threema and Proton, both of which have already won legal battles against the DÜPF. Threema CEO Robin Simon has announced that the company is ready to launch a popular initiative "to prevent the expansion of the surveillance state." Proton CEO Andy Yen also remains defiant, emphasizing that "Proton will not comply with this extension of its obligations." He refers to "unjustified" requests to monitor climate activists in France or supporters of Catalonian independence. In the worst case, the Geneva-based company would leave Switzerland, Yen declared.


(hlk, May 17, 2025)
 
Shit, Mullvad would probably be hosed too.
Mullvad is based in Sweden.

This push for providers to know exactly who their users are is insane and unreasonable. They're getting tired of asking companies to help them spy on citizens, it's absurd to compel anyone to store sensitive personal information that isn't necessary to offer the service and puts innocent people's data at unnecessary risk.
 
Mullvad is based in Sweden.

This push for providers to know exactly who their users are is insane and unreasonable. They're getting tired of asking companies to help them spy on citizens, it's absurd to compel anyone to store sensitive personal information that isn't necessary to offer the service and puts innocent people's data at unnecessary risk.
Woops. Not sure why I thought Switzerland. You right.
 
Very telling that they're circumventing the normal legislative process just because Proton fucking hosed them in the courts. I hope they can hold out because they're a pretty good service all things considered, but there's plenty of powerful people that desire indiscriminate surveillance at any cost no matter where you look in Europe, so I have my doubts.
 
Absolutely disgusting.
All they're doing is saying these ideas are so cool and so dangerous and powerful and convincing they can't even be spoken, because clearly if white people hear about them they'll all be instantly convinced of their veracity and immediately radicalized.
 
I have to wonder if this is, at least partly, a retaliation against Proton thanking Evil Orange Hitler for "standing up for the little guy." Because how dare someone speak positively of The Worst Dictator The World Has Ever Seen. If he's doing something it must be bad/evil/wrong/despicable/etc., since Blormpf = Evil Incarnate in their minds, so if you're thanking The Tangerine Tyrant, that makes YOU horrible as well!


Proton CEO Andy Yen also remains defiant, emphasizing that "Proton will not comply with this extension of its obligations." He refers to "unjustified" requests to monitor climate activists in France or supporters of Catalonian independence. In the worst case, the Geneva-based company would leave Switzerland, Yen declared.
Problem is, where would they go? These days any country that has the infrastructure to allow them to run their service would be similarly hostile to privacy.


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Absolutely disgusting.
All they're doing is saying these ideas are so cool and so dangerous and powerful and convincing they can't even be spoken, because clearly if white people hear about them they'll all be instantly convinced of their veracity and immediately radicalized.
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you're not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say."
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Tyrion Lannister
 
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But I can still use Switzerland to launder my drug money and fund my terrorist cells, right?
As long as you don't host your email there.
Woops. Not sure why I thought Switzerland. You right.
People always mix them up. To outsiders, they're both functional non-entities, inhabited by slightly stuffy people who treat everyone with an unjustified arrogance. The difference is that the Swiss are rich, while Swedes live in the 19th century and don't have any hills.
 
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