Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Bulk Bogan]

Again, this is you failing to do your research.

I forgot we were writing a scholarly paper on corporate states in Star Wars. Also, I did ask you, not make a statement. One could consider that doing research, asking someone who clearly knows a lot about the topic at hand, but you're just too autistic to grant that. Also, I'd say a bunch of refitted Q-ships are beaten out by older, purpose-designed war machines (from the same era as the Q-ships), especially when they are in fact used to enforce corporate law in their sphere of influence, which was technically, nominally, independent from the Empire to the point where it had embassies. Also, looking it up, they did in fact inherit a lot of Confederate ships (and etc), though a lot was indeed nationalized. Maybe asking you isn't the best research after all.

Really, the only reason why the CSA wasn't as much of a factor as the Confederate corporate powers is that it's from ancient shit and got supplanted by other plots. Fuck around in shitty corporate space or do big space sword adventures, big shock which one won out. Still, the concept did get used for the Prequels. The Viceprex walked so that Gunray could run, and all that.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I forgot we were writing a scholarly paper on corporate states in Star Wars. Also, I did ask you, not make a statement. One could consider that doing research, asking someone who clearly knows a lot about the topic at hand, but you're just too autistic to grant that. Also, I'd say a bunch of refitted Q-ships are beaten out by older, purpose-designed war machines (from the same era as the Q-ships), especially when they are in fact used to enforce corporate law in their sphere of influence, which was technically, nominally, independent from the Empire to the point where it had embassies. Also, looking it up, they did in fact inherit a lot of Confederate ships (and etc), though a lot was indeed nationalized. Maybe asking you isn't the best research after all.

That's basically them buying war loot from the Empire, or getting loaned some obsolete ships by the Empire, which isn't the same as taking control of the Trade Federation and its assets. The TF was basically absorbed into the Empire, with Cato Neimoidia being ruled, not by the CSA, but by an Imperial governor, and its streets patrolled not by Espos, but by Imperial Stormtroopers.

The Trade Federation was split into two camps: one was absorbed directly by the Empire, and its assets seized by the Empire to do as they wish, and the other camp joined the Rebellion. Neither joined the CSA.

Really, the only reason why the CSA wasn't as much of a factor as the Confederate corporate powers is that it's from ancient shit and got supplanted by other plots. Fuck around in shitty corporate space or do big space sword adventures, big shock which one won out. Still, the concept did get used for the Prequels. The Viceprex walked so that Gunray could run, and all that.

Not the same idea. The CSA was just a puppet state that had zero freedom and could get revoked at any time. Like I said before, when one of their corporations sold a magnetic pulse warhead to the Rebellion, the Empire sent in a Star Destroyer to seize the research facility where it was developed, and the CSA couldn't do shit.

Some time after the Battle of Endor, Grand Moff Zsinj invaded them and kept them under his reign until the day he died.

The Trade Federation was basically its own independent power, they had a lot of pull in the Galactic Senate, and they had no problems attacking other Republic factions or even the Republic's Jedi peacekeepers. Imagine if the CSA had the balls to stand up to the Empire, if the Espos opened fire on Imperial Stormtroopers, and they attacked even Darth Vader and his Dark Jedi minions. That's what the Trade Federation was for the Republic and the Jedi Order. See the difference?

 

[Bulk Bogan]

That's basically them buying war loot from the Empire, or getting loaned some obsolete ships by the Empire, which isn't the same as taking control of the Trade Federation and its assets. The TF was basically absorbed into the Empire, with Cato Neimoidia being ruled, not by the CSA, but by an Imperial governor, and its streets patrolled not by Espos, but by Imperial Stormtroopers.

I mean, they did buy them, if it was a loan it'd be mentioned somewhere. Yes, it was a corporate protectorate which only existed through the largess of the Empire, but you really could say the same about the Corporate Alliance and the Republic. I mean, in that case, the Republic wasn't selling them warships, they had to build them in secret, and they weren't overtly let off the leash to plunder like the CSA was either. The CSA even hid the presence of a bunch of sentient species in their space from the Empire, which never tried to interfere in that or anything else. Also, no shit Cato Neimoidia wasn't given to the CSA, it's waaaaay over there. They did take over all the systems in their sector of space, though, which was heavily Corporate Alliance before the war.

The Trade Federation was basically its own independent power, they had a lot of pull in the Galactic Senate, and they had no problems attacking other Republic factions or even the Republic's Jedi peacekeepers. Imagine if the CSA had the balls to stand up to the Empire, if Espos opened fire on Imperial Stormtroopers, and even Darth Vader and his Dark Jedi minions. That's what the Trade Federation was for the Republic and the Jedi Order. See the difference?

They did kinda have to be egged on by space satan to try and gas the space jews, to be fair. Space satan would then go on to empower the loyalist remnants of this group to go even more bugnuts in their space than they did before. And, of course, the CSA did in fact sell a lot of materiel to the Rebellion, which is the cowardly corporate way of shooting Stormtroopers. I'm not saying they're the same, but they're similar enough.

Anyways, teehee I like space amazon and their upgunned paddywagon technicals and military surplus store fleets. Please don't take stwars so seriously.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I mean, they did buy them, if it was a loan it'd be mentioned somewhere. Yes, it was a corporate protectorate which only existed through the largess of the Empire, but you really could say the same about the Corporate Alliance and the Republic. I mean, in that case, the Republic wasn't selling them warships, they had to build them in secret, and they weren't overtly let off the leash to plunder like the CSA was either. The CSA even hid the presence of a bunch of sentient species in their space from the Empire, which never tried to interfere in that or anything else. Also, no shit Cato Neimoidia wasn't given to the CSA, it's waaaaay over there. They did take over all the systems in their sector of space, though, which was heavily Corporate Alliance before the war.

It is not. The Corporate Alliance is a member state of the Republic, (they have Senate representation) whereas the Corporate Sector is a vassal state of the Empire. The former can dictate its own independent policies, even if they defy Republic law. The latter is just the Empire's corporate butt-boy. The Corporate Alliance freely had their own military do whatever it wanted, while the Corporate Sector Authority at most had to do with whatever territories or assets the Empire gives to them, and they have to bend whenever the Empire shows up.

In corporate terms, the Corporate Alliance is like a shareholder for the Republic, whereas the CSA is just a middle-manager that the boss (Palpatine) gives a limited amount of power to.

They did kinda have to be egged on by space satan to try and gas the space jews, to be fair. Space satan would then go on to empower the loyalist remnants of this group to go even more bugnuts in their space than they did before. And, of course, the CSA did in fact sell a lot of materiel to the Rebellion, which is the cowardly corporate way of shooting Stormtroopers. I'm not saying they're the same, but they're similar enough.

Not quite. That one time when ONE of the CSA corporations did sell something to the Rebellion, the Empire seized the company's research lab, and the CSA couldn't do shit.

They tried to sell to both sides and stay neutral after Palpatine died, but as I said, one of his Moffs (Zsinj) came in, seized control of the CSA, and kept control until he died.

The most we get out of the CSA afterwards is that they cut all ties with the outside during the Vong era, then joined Thrackan Sal-Solo's Confederacy to rebel against the Galactic Alliance. But neither the Vong nor the Galactic Alliance were as strong as Palpatine's Empire, so that's no surprise.

But there was no open CSA rebellion against the Empire while Palpatine was still around. Whereas the Republic was still in charge of the galaxy in the PT era, and the Trade Federation had no problems shooting other Republic factions or even the Jedi.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

The former can dictate its own independent policies, even if they defy Republic law. The latter is just the Empire's corporate butt-boy.

Still, greater ability to project force/authority doesn't mean much when it's openly stated that the CSA was independent because Papa Palpatine loved him some corporate exploitation, as long as it didn't step on Imperial toes. Which is why it wasn't a part of the Empire. It's not the same, the Empire was way more capable of actually stopping the CSA if they cared to, but the Republic did eventually stop the Corporate Alliance when it went too far, whereas the Empire never did anything to the CSA.

Not quite. That one time when ONE of their corporations did sell something to the Rebellion, the Empire seized the company's research lab, and the CSA couldn't do shit.

They tried to sell to both sides and stay neutral after Palpatine died, but as I said, one of his moffs (Zsinj) came in, seized control of the CSA, and kept control until he died.

Aside from this one time, yes. It's a very vague memory so correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't that lab try to resist very briefly, before being shown it just wasn't going to be possible?

There were a lot of Rebellion sympathizers in the CSA, since as an independent nation it's where a lot of anti-Imperial dissenters went. Which was emphatically not an upgrade, but saying that too loudly was a one-way ticket to Stars' End and after that debacle an unmarked space grave, so. They did funnel a lot of stuff to the Rebellion, and it did really take till the warlord era for Imperial forces to actively meddle in corporate affairs.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Still, greater ability to project force/authority doesn't mean much when it's openly stated that the CSA was independent because Papa Palpatine loved him some corporate exploitation, as long as it didn't step on Imperial toes. Which is why it wasn't a part of the Empire. It's not the same, the Empire was way more capable of actually stopping the CSA if they cared to, but the Republic did eventually stop the Corporate Alliance when it went too far, whereas the Empire never did anything to the CSA.

It's about as "independent" as the Imperial Senate. Nominally independent, but the Empire can just come in and take anything if they felt like it. Not like the Trade Federation, where they can and DID openly defy the Republic's Jedi peacekeepers and even attacked other Republic factions.

The Corporate Alliance and the Trade Federation got away with so many things, only getting a slight slap on the wrist by the Republic and the Jedi now and then. They only paid for their actions after Order 66 when the Empire liquidated them.

The Empire invaded the CSA and took over a research lab when one of its corporations committed high treason and sold some warhead to the Rebels.

Aside from this one time, yes. It's a very vague memory so correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't that lab try to resist very briefly, before being shown it just wasn't going to be possible?

That lab. The rest of the CSA did jack fucking shit. They had 30,000 worlds and didn't lift a finger when the Empire came in to besiege that one lab from that one corporation that sympathized with the Rebels.

There were a lot of Rebellion sympathizers in the CSA, since as an independent nation it's where a lot of anti-Imperial dissenters went. Which was emphatically not an upgrade, but saying that too loudly was a one-way ticket to Stars' End and after that debacle an unmarked space grave, so. They did funnel a lot of stuff to the Rebellion, and it did really take till the warlord era for Imperial forces to actively meddle in corporate affairs.

Not quite. People who went to the CSA found them no better than the Empire, and the CSA just bent over backwards for the Empire. The only thing they did funnel to the Rebels was that one magnetic pulse warhead by that one corporation (Galactic Electronics) that sympathized with them, and that corporation paid the price for it when the Empire invaded and seized their lab.

The rest of the CSA was pro-Imperial and didn't lift a finger against the Empire. They only tried to sell to the New Republic after the Empire began to fall apart and the NR became a growing power, but then they got taken over by some Moff (Zsinj), and he held the Corporate Sector until his death.

The CSA was a vassal state of the Empire, whereas the Corporate Alliance had membership in the Republic Senate and the freedom to do whatever it wanted.

 

[Tablet County]

this is a fucking kicker that really made the whole thing dumb to me, like Rey has had at most a year of Jedi Training and is somehow able to defeat Palpy by blasting back his force lightning at him with Lightsabers, makes no sense

Yeah but she was all the jedi, chud. You just can't stand a girl queen slaaaaaaayyyyying yass bossily.
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[botrix_fan]

That arc existed because the people complained that Andor Season 1 was slow and lacking action, so they put that shit in to get the blood pumping and get the adrenaline junkies glued to their seat. The moment the arc was over, they forgot about that plotline completely.

That whole sequence was so goofy it felt like something from the prequels.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

Yeah but she was all the jedi, chud.

the main issue with that is that its never explained in the film that the force ghosts possess her or whatever the fuck, Kathleen Kennedy is so hell bent on making slop to own the chuds that these details literally get left out.

 

[Tablet County]

the main issue with that is that its never explained in the film that the force ghosts possess her or whatever the fuck, Kathleen Kennedy is so hell bent on making slop to own the chuds that these details literally get left out.

Maybe it would've turned out better if she PLANNED THE TRILOGY OUT IN ADVANCE.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Maybe it would've turned out better if she PLANNED THE TRILOGY OUT IN ADVANCE.

plans are a construct of white males

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Speaking of Filoni, looks like there's trouble in paradise.........

Apparently, there's a turf war in Disney Star Wars between Tony Gilroy and Dave Filoni, with the latter not liking Andor because it doesn't suit his vision for Star Wars. (Remember how Filoni tried to absolve the clones of guilt, yet one of the memorable scenes in Andor was when Andor's dad got executed by clones.) Gilroy apparently used his connection with Kathleen Kennedy to bypass Dave trying to gatekeep him from shaping his own SW show.

I can understand where both men come from. Gilroy wants to produce what amounts to an adult HBO show with Star Wars characteristics, Dave wants to keep Star Wars in a childish level similar to the 80s cartoons. Notice how both treat the Empire; Gilroy wants to portray the Empire as a genuine threat, whereas Filoni makes them into bumbling morons. The way Gilroy wrote the ISB scenes are far smarter than the way FIloni wrote Thrawn in Rebels and Ahsoka.

Both of them are bad to be honest. Like:

https://x.com/bloodoftheland/status/1915153787939152275

Between the manchild wolf fucker fetishist and a guy that doesn't even like star wars, Star Wars is in terrible hands. It died when George Lucas sold the company, accept it.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Between the manchild wolf fucker fetishist and a guy that doesn't even like star wars, Star Wars is in terrible hands. It died when George Lucas sold the company, accept it.

I know. I've said that multiple times, and I'm at peace with it.

The blame lies in the people who pressured him to sell, the people who kept screaming that the PT was the worst thing to hit cinemas since abominations like the Garbage Pail Kids.

That whole sequence was so goofy it felt like something from the prequels.

It felt more like a video game sequence, which is why people got mad at the rebel hostage arc because there was so little development.

 

[JayseeDenton]

It hurts, doesn't it?

It really makes me appreciate how the EU continued the story while still being respectful to the OT. It was a continuation not a reset.

I really think that in the broader context of a franchise, TFA is the worst movie ever made, it's even worse than TLJ.

 

[BullfrogBill]

It really makes me appreciate how the EU continued the story while still being respectful to the OT. It was a continuation not a reset.

I really think that in the broader context of a franchise, TFA is the worst movie ever made, it's even worse than TLJ.

My favorite thing about the EU is the emphasis on the Skywalker legacy, unlike the sequel trilogy. I like that Han and Leia and Luke and Mara Jade had lots of kids between them leading to more Skywalker family drama for the future, even if it drives George Lucas crazy that Luke isn't a depressed virgin loser.

I really never understood why so many people like TFA and claim it's so much better than the others in the sequel trilogy. TFA was the most devastating movie to me because I knew Star Wars was dead after seeing just the first 3 minutes of the movie let alone the rest of it. There's no coming back from TFA.

 

[Jobama]

Both of them are bad to be honest. Like:

https://x.com/bloodoftheland/status/1915153787939152275

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Between the manchild wolf fucker fetishist and a guy that doesn't even like star wars, Star Wars is in terrible hands. It died when George Lucas sold the company, accept it.

That reminds me of 343 industries hiring people who hated halo.

 

[draggs]

Both of them are bad to be honest. Like:

https://x.com/bloodoftheland/status/1915153787939152275

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Between the manchild wolf fucker fetishist and a guy that doesn't even like star wars, Star Wars is in terrible hands. It died when George Lucas sold the company, accept it.

The arrogance of Hollywood faggots is alive and well. The fart sniffing in this guy's tone is immense. Dude makes entertainment, can't you tell how important he is?!

 

[FatR]

One more thing that came to my mind about Andor S2. Does the plot even matter, like, at all, beyond key personalities surviving? It's all about giving Rebels information on the Death Star's mere existence... weeks before the Empire would test-fire it on Jeddha and reveal it to the Galaxy. I can't be arsed to rewatch TRO and figure out if anything that happened in Andor actually impacts the rebel command decision to launch a mission on Scarif.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I can't be arsed to rewatch TRO and figure out if anything that happened in Andor actually impacts the rebel command decision to launch a mission on Taris.

The answer is no.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

I just want to point out that the Lucrehulk is the greatest ship ever made. I would have sweet relations with this beautiful lady if I could.

My favorite thing about the EU is the emphasis on the Skywalker legacy, unlike the sequel trilogy. I like that Han and Leia and Luke and Mara Jade had lots of kids between them leading to more Skywalker family drama for the future, even if it drives George Lucas crazy that Luke isn't a depressed virgin loser.

I really never understood why so many people like TFA and claim it's so much better than the others in the sequel trilogy. TFA was the most devastating movie to me because I knew Star Wars was dead after seeing just the first 3 minutes of the movie let alone the rest of it. There's no coming back from TFA.

I remember promos for TFA dabbing on George and the prequels non-stop. ("OMG, everything was real and there was no CG at all, not like THOSE movies made by THAT guy.") Did you know that the sand was real guys? Simon Pegg was blown away by the realness of it. Luca$ (raped my childhood) would never film in a desert like a real man! Isn't JJ just like Spielberg, guys?!