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When an Indian child is growing up, her parents ask her at some point: "Beta, which one is your favourite scam?" The kind of scam you like reveals a personality type—a guide to the future, indispensable to worried parents. My answer as a schoolboy was unwavering: "Mummy, fodder scam."

Scams are generational. Those who are born about now will ten years later have their own favourites: Rotomac, NiMo and others that will show up in the time to come.

We Indians are born fraudsters and hustlers. The big guns obviously hunt bigger game. The returns are higher. Every Indian cheats to the best of her ability. You do the best you can. It’s what school taught us.

To learn to cheat in India is to learn how to survive. If you don’t, society will treat you as an imbecile who never grew up. Like the freelance writer.

The working principle is this: If you don’t exploit, then you will automatically become the exploited. What happens then is that since everyone is cheating everybody else, all this cheating cancels each other out in the final sum. No one really gains. But it’s something we are habituated and genetically inclined to do, like the way we drive. It’s a mix of nature and culture.

The shopkeeper wakes up and ups his shutters. The spider waits for the fly to come flying in. It could be the smallest of shopkeepers. It’s the reason people don’t change neighbourhoods, although familiarity is no guarantee that you will not be cheated. There is a cold bloodedness to our human relationships: false obsequiousness always follows a successful heist. The cheater respects the cheated’s stupidity. Without that he will be nothing.

This cheating can be about the smallest of things, beginning with plumbers, electricians, carpenters, the cab ride from the airport or train station.

The cigarette seller will keep five rupees and refuse to return the change.

The mobile phone shop man will take a look at you, size you up, then quote you an inflated price for a phone cover and case.

The parking attendant will take an extra ten for parking.

Every tourist is fair game, which is why we have to chaperone, baby sit and play tourist-guide to our foreign guests. They can’t be left alone. They will be fleeced.

You will hand in a five hundred rupee note, the cashier will keep it and return much less than you’d calculated. When you say "Hey, what happened to the rest?", he’ll reply: "Oh sorry I thought you gave me a hundred." He’s testing you. On your face he will make you feel that you’re being unnecessarily difficult. Secretly, he respects you.

The building contractor will cheat. The property dealer will dip his hand in the flowing Ganges. The developer has his hand permanently stuck in the riverbed.

That’s the reason why Indian parents always warn their kids: Don’t let your guard down for a moment. The moment you do, you’ve been had.

To come back to my earlier point, in a system where everyone is cheating everyone there’s a way of things evening out. The system is always in a state of equilibrium.

The shopkeeper will cheat the customer. The shopkeeper will have a heart attack. He will go to a hospital. Here, he is the customer. The hospital will duly fool him, charging an exorbitant amount for tests and medicines. They might throw in an unnecessary stent or three.

Now the guy who owns the hospital will have a boy who needs to go to school. The school will make him part with huge sums of money in lieu of admission, for uniforms, notebooks and text books. The teacher in the school will make the doctor’s son come to him for extra tuition.

The school teacher’s computer will pack up. He will go to Nehru Place where the computer shop will rip him off for repairs.

Flush with cash the computer shop man will go to the theka where he will be overcharged for the booze. But the theka owner is already supplying several bottles a month for free to the local police station.

Similarly, the fruit seller will invariably overcharge you if you don’t look from around the neighbourhood. But he has to pay hafta to the local goon. Or cop. Or the MCD.

The auto guy will cheat you but when his auto breaks down the auto repair guy will cheat him.

The fancy gift shop guy will put whimsical price stickers on smuggled items, doubling his profits. But remember his mother-in-law will get cancer, which is when the hospital will get the chance to screw him.

Why, for all our family values, family members cheat each other all the time. Especially when it comes to matters of property. The younger brother will keep squatting on prime ancestral property after the patriarch/ matriarch has died and refuse to vacate.

And so on.

Basically if you don’t look local enough, you don’t bargain hard and question every transaction, you will be a sitting duck. That’s the default Indian setting. No Indian trusts the next Indian. Trust signals gullibility, not a valued trait in our urban jungle.

This is also the reason why scams don’t bother us much. The current form of our cricket team, and cricketer weddings, is our only moral worry.

One could argue that instead of waking up and making a c of people first thing, why don’t we just carry out our transactions honestly?

Put this question to the devious Indian yourself and see what he has to say.

Just don’t believe what he’s telling you.
 
How does their cheating compared to how Chinese people cheat each other? There's so much shit that goes on there, i.e. buildings made of literal tofu, their drivers are reckless AF and it's literally "Every Man for Himself", cost-cutting on products can get insane at times, and some of their worst products can even be deadly, i.e. artificial foods, tainted baby formula, and their EVs that catch fire and kill people.
Pretty much the same. It's the same sort of mindset that made the these countries (china, india, pakistan, indonesia, etc.) such a shithole to live in (If you think chyyyna is a wonderful place to live, you should try spending a few days outside of their cities... Even rural Appalachia feels much better taken care of than the shacks in these places). All of these mujeets, pajeets, chinks, gooks, seamonkeys, don't care about virtues of being honest because to them being sincere means you're mentally weak, susceptible to predation, and is considered a "betrayal" to "your community" for self "gain". Sincerity is treated as being selfish, self-preservation as self-flagellation and god forbid you try to altruistic, they will flag you as their fellow scammers because they're just so predisposed or hardwired to scam others. People coming from these places are deserved to be called "bugmen". The fringe few that want to completely escape from these clutches and abandon their "culture" for a superior one (A.K.A Western) are probably the only ones that can self-reflect on how dumb their society is and would not want any of that shit reaching western shores, lest it becomes indistinguishable from their homelands.

Countries that are "White-adjacent" like japan are like that not because they kept their bugmen "tradition" but adapted to western influence by abandoning most of them in true favour of the superior one. You would think centuries of needless conflicts and constant tyranny would knock some sense into these people to be more self-preserving and sustaining, but it's just not the case. Some older gens that have "escaped" these shit holes might have a similar sense to abandon their past ways to adapt to better one but it usually stops after just a single generation. Why? It's because they don't have the same exact experiences as their elders and would automatically default to their bugmen states, especially when they're being force fed the one-sided identity politics prevalent in a lot of shit these days. Look at the japs in Hawaii now, for example. They're are one of the most culturally retarded fucking East Asian diaspora that I have the displeasure to ever meet while japs in Japan or the really older diaspora members are some of the most appreciative to a more Western influenced livelyhood since they had to endure hardship and aren't constantly exposed to diatribe.
 
you should try spending a few days outside of their cities...
I'd put it below rural america, and above rural india on account the lack of trash
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I'd put it below rural america, and above rural india on account the lack of trash
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Might be "clean" trash wise since they don't have a ready access to big stores like supermarkets, fast food restaurants let alone superstores like Walmart (unlike rural US, also having virtually no niggers or spics to litter around is another plus) but what you will not be able to deal is the constant burning of trash of all sorts or even something more "ceremonial" like joss papers, etc. Also, it looks like this particular rural area has a sewer system so it's still above some of the places that I have been to there.
 
Chinks can (and will) cheat all they want without other chinks giving a fuck. But they're supposed to make at least a token effort to keep it hidden, and make really fucking sure it doesn't start to seriously affect the system's (family/company/state/whatever) functioning. Or even the perception of the system functioning. In which case they will be dealt with, swiftly and by any means necessary.

Jeets don't give a shit, and a jeet will happily do thousands of dollars worth collateral damage for every penny he actually manages to get out of his harebrained scam-du-jour. That's also why they won't catch up with chinks EVER, and why their whole "Superpower 20xx" cope is so hilarious. They're not even playing a zero sum game, they're playing a "throw 99 chips down the toilet for every chip that changes hands" game.
 
Growing up in a place that saw lots of tourists, I'm glad it happened before the jeet influx. That being said, tour busses were the worst with French and Mainland Chinese. Their people were rude and would often get caught trying to steal; the French also had bad BO. Maybe just a no deodorant during the summer, I don't know.

Biggest memory for the Chinese I have is I'm working at the casino; and the way things would work is we'd generate X amount of wifi codes every week, depending on the predicted occupancy. One night I get a call from the front desk, they need more codes; no problem generate a few hundred of them and send them down. Get a call not even 10 minutes later, need more codes. What, why? Those last ones I sent aren't working. They're not, who told you? The customers did. They didn't have enough time to do that, but okay, I'll make you a new set. Less than 10 minutes later, those codes didn't work either. I ask if this is a tour bus, yes it is. I then ask if they're French or Chinese. Girl gets offended at my question, but yes they're Chinese. The codes are good, they're lying to you. Because this is a casino, they'll bend over backwards and never insult a customer. Walked down a set of codes and burned through ten different ones on my phone showing they work, so if anyone complains, it's tough shit.

Wouldn't be surprised if jeets would do the same; they have the mentality of the Chinese and smell worse than the French. Fuck them.
 
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I just try not to deal with jeets as much as possible. Vote with your dollar and all that. If a place is run 90 percent by Indians don't buy shit from there. It's businesses run by locals who have been here for generations that are struggling while jeets paying other jeets slave wages that get to stay open.
That's never going to be enough. You need to directly punish the jeets and those who break solidarity.
 
I get scam calls from both Indians and Chinese.
When it is from Indians, it is in English, when it is from Chinese, it is in Mandarin.
When it comes to scammers, Chinese just wanna scam Chinese, Indians wanna scam everyone.
The 7-11 that is run by jeets near me has been busted at least 5 times in as many years running card skimmers. They primarily target homeless people and steal their EBT cash lol. One time they triple charged me for my purchase and it ended up fucking up the next purchase down the line for me. I contacted my bank and reported the fraud. Got resolved but took a week. I only use cash now if I have to go there which is rare.
I want to vomit, does anyone have a tiranga I can use?
 
Chinks can (and will) cheat all they want without other chinks giving a fuck. But they're supposed to make at least a token effort to keep it hidden, and make really fucking sure it doesn't start to seriously affect the system's (family/company/state/whatever) functioning. Or even the perception of the system functioning. In which case they will be dealt with, swiftly and by any means necessary.

Jeets don't give a shit, and a jeet will happily do thousands of dollars worth collateral damage for every penny he actually manages to get out of his harebrained scam-du-jour. That's also why they won't catch up with chinks EVER, and why their whole "Superpower 20xx" cope is so hilarious. They're not even playing a zero sum game, they're playing a "throw 99 chips down the toilet for every chip that changes hands" game.
Nailed it, the Chinese have a face culture where keeping up appearances is important. India is different; in India your level of social prestige is determined by your caste, not your actions. Something the OP article doesn't mention is that a big reason for the lack of morality in India is that every trait a person has is seen as something conferred by their lineage. Your actions don't matter, only the social class you belong to. If you can gain wealth by any means, fair or foul, it suggests that you must have had good karma in order to gain it. In East Asian cultures there's also a tradition of caste but there's more logic informing judgments of people; i.e. if you're in a distinguished social class you can't project the image of a slimy swindler.
 
You do realize that plays into the indian caste system bullshit too, yeah?
Their caste system is literally "lighter skin people are superior" though, unless I'm remembering that wrong?
No, because a light-skinned Indian is still a cow-piss swilling, street-shitting, parasite-on-society Indian.
 
I get scam calls from both Indians and Chinese.
When it is from Indians, it is in English, when it is from Chinese, it is in Mandarin.
When it comes to scammers, Chinese just wanna scam Chinese, Indians wanna scam everyone.
I used get calls from Chinese asking me if I want to sell my house all the fucking time. I got so fucking pissed off about the daily calls that I started screaming obscenities at them. Took about a month of that for them to stop calling me.
 
How does their cheating compared to how Chinese people cheat each other? There's so much shit that goes on there, i.e. buildings made of literal tofu, their drivers are reckless AF and it's literally "Every Man for Himself", cost-cutting on products can get insane at times, and some of their worst products can even be deadly, i.e. artificial foods, tainted baby formula, and their EVs that catch fire and kill people.
It's a product of their culture. Same reason they eat everything they can get their hands on, no matter how gross it is. Because under communism you had to eat gross shit, or starve.

As far as cheating, it's the worst of low trust society. Everyone assumes the other guy is going to fuck them, so you have to fuck them over first so you come out on top. (which is a self perpetuating cycle) Being honest and fair is actually a dumb idea when everyone else is a crook.

I have no insight on why jeets are this way. I have limited experience with them, but I do get along well with the ones who run my local gas station.
 
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