hoe_math / Justin Quirici / Justin Careesi - "HISTORY'S MANLIEST HILARIOUS SEX GENIUS", Makes autistic charts, kicked off the cunt carousel, Chubby Chaser, "discriminated" against for being a white male, wants the Bible to be rewritten, COVID RUINED HIS DREAM JOB!

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I'll take this opportunity to link to a few of the hoe_math v. other cows crossover posts that I've made on the site.

Was going to make a hoe_math / Aella crossover post in his thread a few days back, but it's moving too slow so I'll make it here.

For completeness sake, hoe_math responded to a 5-year-old Aella tweet just a few hours after I made this timeline post.

Aella circa 2023, Archive

I made a couple of posts recently regarding the history of Twitter interactions between hoe_math and Aella (took applications and organized an orgy on her birthday, receiving hundreds of interested parties, showers only everyday 10 days or so) over in her thread

TL; DR - hoe_math aggressively tweeted at her a few times over the last year or so, calling her a degenerate whore. Aella mostly ignored him and eventually blocked him. Matt occasionally sends her an aggressive RT from time-to-time through his other mutuals if they repost her stuff.

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I also made a few of posts (1, 2, 3) in the Lawtube thread (a thread about former Nick Rekieta online attorney orbiters and refugees) about Andrew Branca and his prominence in hoe_math's livestreams a year ago as a frequent superchatter, braggart and powerleveler. Andrew Branca is a Colorado (via Brooklyn & Boston) litigator who now specializes in Self Defense consultancy work for other lawyers and clients, calling himself and his brand the Law of Self Defense.

Spoiler: Talk about Andrew Branca's bio

While Branca doesn't have his own thread, he's a little bit of a minor careercow himself. He was Nick Rekieta's second chair when Balldo streamed the Kyle Rittenhouse & Johnny Depp high profile trials a few years back when Skelly was at his peak. He continues to associate with Crackets professionally even after the revelations of cocaine abuse, cuckolding and child neglect, as he was co-streaming the Karen Reid trial with Nick just recently. Branca is criticized by many in the Lawtube and police beat online communities for being too pro-cop, essentially siding that any shoot out of a pig's pistol is automatically a good one.

Branca also himself developed a reputation for being an angry sperg & a misogynist on late night drinking streams long before Rekieta crashed out on his coke arc. Branca most of the time carries himself on his daytime online appearances quite professionally, always wearing a tie and having his backdrop be somewhat presentable, as opposed to many other of the non-practising Balldo adjacent online lawyer panelists at the time.

However, at the time, every once in a while, his second, 15-years-his-junior wife Emily would let him come out & play on a late night drinking stream with Nick Rekieta or one of the associated Lawtube channels. These appearances were quite rare, as while Branca liked to portray himself as a 2A absolutist, short man syndrome tough guy from Brooklyn, in reality, his wife wouldn't let him stream late, he could only talk quietly on stream for fear of being shushed and at one point actually rented office space outside of his home seemingly solely for the reason that he could sneak back there at night to stream occasionally unsupervised.

This led to the dichotomy arising in the Lawtube / Nick Rekieta community between "Tie v. No Tie Branca". 95% of the time, you got henpecked Branca in professional attire. But occasionally his wife would let him out to play without a tie, where Andrew would drink on stream late night and become rude and out of control with his misogyny. This would often lead to him insulting and burning bridges with any female members of Rekieta's circle: he insulted Faran Balanced's sister one night for being single/childless to the point he essentially chased her off the Internet, he got in a fight with a left-leaning black lawyer panelist called Natalie The Lawyer Chick and bragged that the heat from the drama earned him enough extra revenue to buy a 50k Submariner Rolex, another night he was the guest on the J.A.C.K. show likely via his Balldo connections, where he offended Jon Malin & Cecil Says so greatly that Jon Malin still talks about wanting to fight Branca IRL, etc.

TL; DR - Andrew Branca is an old GenXer attorney consultant who opines publicly on self-defense and police shooting incidents. He is a longtime Nick Rekieta associate, even after his cocaine, wifeswapping, child neglect, wetbrain arc. For a time last year, he was superchatting hoe_math multiple times a stream, bragging about being a wealthy Chad and his younger woman, conveniently ignoring the fact that he was previously divorced and sleeping on the couch for a decade in an unhappy marriage "for the kids" while also being the beta to his current harpie wife.

Or that he's essentially person non grata on multiple Lawtube & Comicsgate streams because he can't control his liquor and starts berating younger female guests that they will soon be empty egg cartoons and he could set them up to be bangmaid for some of his wealthier over-the-hill 50+ friends.

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Rachel Wilson (ie Rach4Patriarchy, Andrew Wilson of The Crucible's wife) also showed up in hoe_math's replies quite a bit when researching the OP, so I did a few posts (1, 2) over there documenting their interactions. Rachel does fangirl for Mr. math quite often and has made explicit posts recommending his content as essential viewing for all single women.


Archive

hoe_math and Rachel's husband Andrew Wilson haven't had as much (any?) interaction, but there are some parallels between the two: Whatever Podcast appearances with thots, Christian moralizing, hating on the degeneracy of the left and the fall of Western civilization, etc.

 

[AMHOLIO]

For a time last year, he was superchatting hoe_math multiple times a stream, bragging about being a wealthy Chad and his younger woman, conveniently ignoring the fact that he was previously divorced and sleeping on the couch for a decade in an unhappy marriage "for the kids" while also being the beta to his current harpie wife.

I am genuinely surprised he doesn't have a thread, but if he's not getting opportunities to post or not saying much, I guess he escapes.

I don't find this guy particularly cowish it would be better suited making fun of the people who angrily react to him also join date of the person who made this checks out

I don't mind people enjoying his hoe callouts, but holy shit how does a guy malding about how he's 40 and is basically the male version of a roastie not funny? He has a bizarre version of Christianity, he can't look at women without demeaning them - even trad mothers, believes all his discrimination in job searching was for being a white male and chickens out of a lawsuit, wants to become a Jordan Peterson type figure, believes Rudyard Lynch's schizo meltdown was actually him achieving true knowledge from Odin, and he likes nosering girls. Someone can be funny on their own and still be a cow.

 

[UtadaWasabi2]

Is there any kiwifarm approved male dating strategy youtuber? Asking for a friend of course.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

Archive #1
Archive #2
Archive #3
Archive #4

Continuing on his whiny "I'm Tired all the Time because I'm slaving 16 hours a day doodling for your benefit and to save Western civilization" martyrdom narrative, hoe_math shows off his new standing desk here.


Archive #1

He certainly has been afflicted by that whiny, "overworked", hard-done-by FT YouTuber disease. It's amazing how all these e-celebrities all whinge about slaving over their keyboards in the influencer salt mines without rest while e-begging for donos from their wagie simps only making a fraction of their income. Yet you would never know about their "work ethic" simply judging by their productivity and content output alone.



The picture of his new standing desk gives some insight into his current living situation.

IMHO, it's disappointing that this dated carpet and wood cupboards is all that his new viral YT wealth buys. Or that this sad kitchen that could easily be student housing or a low-budget weekend cabin rental was the best he could secure after half a year committed to searching for a new home during his mid-2024 vanlife/vagabond/couchsurfing arc where he claims to have circled the country and every zero state income tax jurisdiction twice.

He also comments that he can see "mountains" from both his kitchen and living room windows.


Archive #4

Thus further narrowing down his current whereabouts as 1) a zero state income tax locale & 2) somewhere not flat


Archive #2

3) hoe_math can't be THAT rural if he lives only a 23 min walk one way to the nearest grocer

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Anyone who pays attention to his content picks up on his dysthymic, hypochondriac tendencies. He constantly snivels about being fatigued, suffering from insomnia, not feeling 100%, working too hard, not feeling well enough to work hard, etc.

He also seems very susceptible to the snake oil promises of New Age woo.

From the OP, we know he tried drinking methylene blue to cure what ails him



Archive

Here hoe_math powerlevels that a single dose of methylene blue reminded him of being on Lexapro (escitalopram - a SSRI antidepressant drug) a few decades ago in college. He also denies having ADHD.

The methylene blue apparently also turned his urine "St. Patrick's Day green".


Archive

From July 2024, hoe_math is forlornly hoping to find a perfect supplement to "fix everything".
Never mind, within 6 hours he's alchemized his way back to health by downing 4 new supplements "out of desperation".


Archive

Extra Vitamin D supplementation was a failure back in COVID times. So his summer 2024 supplement medley was N-acetylcysteine, moringa, alpha GPC & "one more thing in the mail I can't remember".

"I'm in deep".


Archive

But don't you be suggesting that he be trying Alex Jones' supplement shit.
That RW conspiratard prepper vitamin shit is for the sheep.


Archive

hoe_math's new fame & fortune is making him find common ground with his fellow rich celebrities on how it's somehow harder to keep thin in the bright spotlight. Or at least the ones he hasn't shouted down on Twitter yet as demons, morons and whores.



Continuing on narratives such as " HE"S WORKING TOO HARD" and "I'M STRETCHED TOO THIN" and "I'M TIRED ALL THE TIME"' and "YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL THAT I'M SACRIFICING FOR YOU BY MAKING QUALITY LONGFORM CONTENT INSTEAD OF SLOP TIKTOK THOT REACTIONS" and "HE'S LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE, FOR YOU".

This post is after his PSYOPs video with the FBI glowie from about 2 weeks back underperformed (that I personally have never got around to watching either TBH)


Archive

He could be making 6k an hour if he just pumped out e-thot reaction slop !?!?
But instead, he suffers from dawn til dusk over his notepad, his only respite every two weeks to go buy groceries.
He COULD be much richer. But he sacrifices for us all.

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Not related to hypochondriasis or woo, but more related to finances, Mr. Newfound Wealth/Mr. Edgy Twitter boi is still too lazy to protect his Golden Goose from the YT ban hammer 2 years in because Rumble didn't pay him enough. And despite The Quartering advising him to a year ago.


Archive

The Quartering, Rumble, May 17th, 2024, 16m29s


Archive

Also Elon isn't paying him enough for the pleasure of hosting his schizo misogynist wall-of-texts.
If YT yeeted him, he'd have to go get a "real job".

 

[my penis is on fire]

🄰

Spoiler: Full Text

It's becoming increasingly evident that I'm never going to get through to anyone who needs it without making charts. When I made "Zones" (attached), millions of people suddenly understood how attraction and mate choice works. It improved their lives immediately and significantly. People still contact me to tell me about it. They say things like "I went from clueless to married in under a year," and "you made it make sense why I have to put in effort," and so on.It is satisfying to know that I do, in fact, have the power to "get people to get it." That's all I ever wanted from life. I have so many stories to remember now for when life seems gray. I've already accomplished a lot in just 2 years.Unfortunately, I must now do the same thing I did with 'Zones,' but with politics, only without hitting any trip-wires that will enable my rabid, demonic enemies to attack me.I know EXACTLY the mistakes in thinking that my opponents are making, and I know EXACTLY what harm they're causing, and it is a VERY BIG DEAL and THE HOUR IS LATE. We are on the edge of global disaster. Like "everybody experiences direct violence and most people die" disaster.These charts take more time than people think. People love to listen to a song and say "I could have written that," even though of course they never could; it only seems obvious because someone else did the hard work of understanding it for you. I hear the same thing about my work a lot.'Zones' took me 3 consecutive 16-hour days to make, plus who-knows-how-many hours of preliminary development. What I need to depict in order to make my point about today's political reality is MUCH more complex, AND much more emotionally sensitive than my relatively cute little boy-girl chart that is to date my most effective and impressive piece of work. This is going to be an enormous undertaking, and extremely low in profit for me. When I churn out 4-minute shorts about women acting dumb on Tik Tok, I rake it in. When I spend 5 months on a video like 'PsyOps,' I end up with one video to publish in that time frame instead of 30 and I make maybe 10% as much money. I will spend the time on this. I have to! It's more important than money. "Getting people to get it" is why I do this, and not for material wealth or fame. But I also have to prevent my business from falling apart, and despite working all day every day, I'm still behind. In the meantime, just look at the "woke right" screecher drawing that I made last week. (attached) It's the best attempt I've been able to make so far at depicting where our problems come from. This one took me maybe like 4 hours.
EXPLANATION IN CASE IT'S NOT CLEAR:
- The 3 colors, red, green, purple, that's what people care about. "Myself," "my people," and "the whole world." - These unfold sequentially. All children start out egocentric, most grow to group-centered, and not many at all grow to world-centered.- People who call themselves "Liberal" have been fooled into thinking that "you're not a good person unless you live in denial of the group-centered part of yourself." This is a catastrophe that causes untold harm. That's why they have no body, and their head is on the floor.- people who say "woke right" are attacking people who have re-claimed their healthy, normal, immutable group interest, which exists in all people whether you cry about it or not, and which everyone is allowed to have except for one group (all animals are equal but some are more equal than others). - They are trying to tell us all to be the body-less "liberal" with his head on the floor (even though other groups will not make this choice and do not want to), and this is in the face of the severe, existentially-threatening damage this ideology has already done.- "Caring about your group makes you evil!" is an evil message, it is directly contradictory to everything that we know about human psychology, and it is the primary cause of the chaos befalling our world.- "Woke right" is the new "racist." It means "Everyone gets to have group interest but you, and it's not hurting you, but if it is, it's not that bad, and if it is, it wasn't my fault, and if it was, then it was a good thing anyway."

The other day, James Lindsay, a "right wing" pundit with an irrational fear of angels, decided to make a fool of himself in an interview with Jordan Peterson complaining about the "woke right" or some gay shit idk. This caused hoe_math to start sperging out hard, and the niggerbabble text wall he spat out this time feels a lot angrier and stream-of-conscious-y than usual.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Ok, that's it, someone make this dumbass download OBS and a pirated copy of adobe illustrator/the website Canva/fucking MS Paint. Making graphs and charts takes time, but he doesn't have to rely on paper and pen alone if he needs to make a big chart faster. He already stitched his newest chart together using something like paint, he should learn how to use a program and livestream it. He can have his fanbase answer any questions he has on the program and edit the chart with him in real time. It's interactive, has real time feedback on how he's doing on both clarity and looks, and lets him have an infinite canvas. He can still have pattern fills for that handdrawn look.

years.Unfortunately, I must now do the same thing I did with 'Zones,' but with politics, only without hitting any trip-wires that will enable my rabid, demonic enemies to attack me.I know EXACTLY the mistakes in thinking that my opponents are making, and I know EXACTLY what harm they're causing, and it is a VERY BIG DEAL and THE HOUR IS LATE. We are on the edge of global disaster. Like "everybody experiences direct violence and most people die" disaster.

See, this is why you don't get high off your own supply. It's a shame that his anxiety and mania are causing him to push himself further into a panicked frenzy, having to be the savior of civilization.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Writes an essay about how women are ungrateful hoe's for asking continues good treatment gets dunked in an instant in the comments . Response sorry for your daddy not loving enough. Shizoing out immediately

https://x.com/ItIsHoeMath/status/1921617736259784915

 

[AMHOLIO]

Ms. Jackson explains it well.

Spoiler: hoe_theory_sperging

If a woman does that to a man, would the man stick around? You don't have to buy her things constantly, you don't have to take her out every night, you don't even have to do something big every week. You can help wash dishes. You can sweep the floor. You can ask her if she wants assistance with dinner or another chore. You can offer to go out to dinner or take a walk in the park together. Just try not to become a lump on the couch who brushes off doing things at every opportunity. If you're having a tough time, talk to her. Let her see if she can help you as well. She likely cares enough to help you, or at least understand your feelings. Tough times happen in all relationships.

Does a man want a girlfriend who insists on being a lump on the couch herself? No. All you have to do is communicate with her your feelings ("I'm tired because work has been hell"), make some plans ("Let's have a movie night and takeout to relax this weekend"), then keep them ("I have kept my promise."). See if the two of you can do hobbies you both like, whether it's hiking, lifting, movies, checking out new places, and so on. Pay attention to her for more than just tendies and bed. Even he knows that. Hell, you can tell her you're struggling to live, and she might even help you find resources like therapy or research different jobs to apply to. I don't know, I feel like this is the basic thing of being in a relationship.

"But womem are so annoying to talk to..." stop going after septum-piercing bitches, you said this yourself. Or turn gay/celibats and join hobby sports teams or hobby clubs for comparisonship. Women stupid? Every woman? Stop touching women, then your problems go away.

Seems like he's going to talk about bang-maids, where a woman basically becomes your maid and sex partner or more likely your neglected mother and realdoll. Using for free without giving her attention or companionship. It seems like he thinks this is a problem for men to conquer, but ends up sperging about chicks first and then chimps out because the commenter can't read his mind and know he wasn't finished. Sperging out "SORRY YOUR DAD DIDN'T LOVE YOU" immediately as some kind of gotcha as soon as you finished explaining you agree with them but it's THEIR FAULT really changes minds, great strategy.

He also humblebrags at the end of his first post that he knows you are understandably bitter, but don't you want to be like him and do something about it? Come men, he can teach you a better future. Hoe_math's obtaining a savior complex like Rudyard Lynch here.

I'm also trying to figure out if it really is a whatabout-ism when it takes two people to make a relationship work. If one side isn't getitng what they want and the other is also not getting what they want, maybe it's time to communicate about this and understand the two problems might feed into each other or a good deal can be reached where both conditions can be met. And if not, break up. Maybe it is in certain situations, but maybe the commenter is saying "Men make me feel underapprecited because they want to only bang me and not give me time or effort" in retaliation to Hoe_Math's theory of "insert coins constantly so job gets done" autistic reading of chicks. Just maybe, Mr. Hoe_spergers.

 

[Inside your walls]

All I'm gonna say is if a diet coke Andrea Dworkin feminist online wrote the same paragraph as him except wrote in a narrative how men view women as commodity to be rented and purchased you
know for a fact he would chimp out and go "FEMINISTS ARE SUCH BITTER JADED CUNTS BECAUSE THEY SEE MARRIAGE AS TRANSACTION AND NOT AS UNITY AND PRIME SYSTEM
THAT LETS THEM DO THEIR BEST OPTIONAL ROLE"

Writes an essay about how women are ungrateful hoe's for asking continues good treatment gets dunked in an instant in the comments . Response sorry for your daddy not loving enough. Shizoing out immediately


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DAYS SINCE HAGGOT_MATH GOT PISSY AND PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE AT A WOMAN FOR
CALLING HIS RETARDED TAKES OUT: 1 0



Cue in his dickriders immediately thinking about her fucking Chads


"You are just mad jealous of my e-daddy!!"

 

[WelperHelper99]

All I'm gonna say is if a diet coke Andrea Dworkin feminist online wrote the same paragraph as him except wrote in a narrative how men view women as commodity to be rented and purchased you
know for a fact he would chimp out and go "FEMINISTS ARE SUCH BITTER JADED CUNTS BECAUSE THEY SEE MARRIAGE AS TRANSACTION AND NOT AS UNITY AND PRIME SYSTEM
THAT LETS THEM DO THEIR BEST OPTIONAL ROLE"


DAYS SINCE HAGGOT_MATH GOT PISSY AND PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE AT A WOMAN FOR
CALLING HIS RETARDED TAKES OUT: 0 1

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Cue in his dickriders immediately thinking about her fucking Chads
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"You are just mad jealous of my e-daddy!!"
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He (and his audience) want all the benefits of a relationship without any work. Lazy and slothful behavior.

 

[AMHOLIO]

DAYS SINCE HAGGOT_MATH GOT PISSY AND PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE AT A WOMAN FOR
CALLING HIS RETARDED TAKES OUT: 0 1

Hoe math seems to be bullied more by women than men. Maybe he should be moved to the beauty parlor.

Cue in his dickriders immediately thinking about her fucking Chads

It's always the cock carosel, all single women with children are fucking a new man every single week . Onlyfans ho ≠ social media single mom who annoyed you. Most are too busy with work and a kid or two to do the cock carosel, and those who do are usually unique social media wrecks/lolcows.

He (and his audience) want all the benefits of a relationship without any work. Lazy and slothful behavior.

It's sad to watch them go deeper into the "ALL WOMEN ARE AGAINST ME ONLY DADDY HOE MATH AND MY FELLOW INTERNET MEN ARE FOR ME" route. They just build walls in on themselves.

 

[Stasi]

I stumbled on one of his videos a few years ago and immediately wrote him off as a sped. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that a man who plays with crayons and highlighters is an unhinged spastic, he is just a slightly more high-functioning version of Chris.

Anyway, great OP, top notch work and very detailed.

Reading through the thread and PUA stuff got mentioned a few times and it got me thinking that its a shame we don't have a PUA/manosphere general thread (that I'm aware of), just a handful of threads for some of the more prominent figures. I'm not a good enough writer or researcher to write an OP for something like that but would wholeheartedly support someone else's efforts in this endeavour with fake internet stickers.

 

[The greater a'tuin]

Diane Yap is a right-leaning Asian academic with a background in Mathematics (duh!)

Has this been confirmed? She comes off more as a hardcore feminist who hates animals, especially black people

 

[babadook]

Imagine how stressed male birds have to be since they have to both be providers AND be the good looking ones in the couple #hen_math

 

[74164978231]

I don't find this guy particularly cowish it would be better suited making fun of the people who angrily react to him also join date of the person who made this checks out

His twitter ramblings are pretty borderline.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

Writes an essay about how women are ungrateful hoe's for asking continues good treatment gets dunked in an instant in the comments . Response sorry for your daddy not loving enough. Shizoing out immediately

DAYS SINCE HAGGOT_MATH GOT PISSY AND PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE AT A WOMAN FOR
CALLING HIS RETARDED TAKES OUT: 1 0

Spoiler: hoe_math red arrow tweet text

https://nitter.poast.org/ItIsHoeMath
You cannot buy a woman. Only rent.

With most women, most of the time, it does not, will not, can not, ever, ever, EVER matter what you've done for her IN THE PAST.“

What are you doing for me NOW?”

If her answer is “not enough,” then you have “never done anything” for her. In women, much more than in men, feelings (now) override any sense of loyalty (past).

“Keeping” a woman is like hiring a maid. You pay a day, she stays a day... until someone offers more (the 'money' in this metaphor is excitement and satisfaction).

This is why we created the institution of marriage. It provided incentives to prevent feelings (now) in both men and women (mostly women) from ruining family structure, which is the basic functional element of society (not the individual).

With many aspects of psychology, you can apply the individual patterns to the large-scale without much change. This is one of them.

The institution of marriage is already largely ruined.

That means that as men, you have to be giving women what they want... TODAY... or they won't be satisfied.

Instead of indulging your (understandable) bitterness about this, why not take it as an invitation to become great?

That's what I'm doing. What if we all became so great that the world had no choice but to choose us to lead?

Wouldn't that feel better than... whatever else you're doing?

(Yes, it would.)

It's trivial, but it bothers me that I don't understand what the upwards pointing red arrow is supposed to signify.

This vagueposting seems to be some composite of "She's not yours. It's just your turn." & "Only women, children & dogs get to be loved unconditionally." & "What have you done for me lately?"

I suppose the arrow could represent his assertion that women are simply resource receivers/consumers that continually demand more?

Has this been confirmed? She comes off more as a hardcore feminist who hates animals, especially black people

Diane Yap is a right-leaning Asian academic with a background in Mathematics (duh!)

I'm uncertain which point needs to be confirmed. That Yap is right-leaning? That she has a background in Mathematics as the Asian meme?

I don't know much about Yap other than I watched her be interviewed by Rebecca Hargraves once, formerly of the Matt & Blonde Show, who is dually somewhat tradwife feminist & pretty close to being an actual unshamed white supremacist nazi.

I don't recall much of the interview, but the fact that Yap would even associate with Blonde (Rebecca) means she has to be at least a little bit based & right-leaning. Although Blonde also did interview RadFemHitler around roughly the same time period, so make of that what you will.

I also get Diane Yap confused with Deborah Soh, sex researcher that used to appear on Rogan frequently, because they are youngish, attractive Asian women that mill about the right wing.



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YT Link

I listened to hoe_math's latest public livestream from Tuesday (May 13th, 2025) and made some notes. Nothing too revelatory

- He's now only doing/scheduling the free public livestreams for once a month while doing private paid one for members the rest of the month
- He's still obsessed with "losing 20 subs every livestream" even after mostly going behind the paywall
- He openly pondered whether he made a mistake paywalling his streams because he noticed his public numbers are down on the free edition
- Someone made a suggestion that he should do a Zones chart for the mechanics of friendship - hoe_math shot that down because he has "200+ video ideas" in the can & doesn't think there would be much public interest in it
- Has received 3 death threats over the life of his channel, doesn't think they were serious, isn't personally worried, "LET 'EM TRYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!"
- Rachel Wilson (Rach4Patriarchy, Andrew Wilson's wife) was in chat the whole 2 hours tossing him mostly irrelevant superchats for attention, this first one bragging about recently owning some feminist in a debate on TV
- hoe_math declared he won't date anyone on psychotropic meds anymore
- I noticed lots of repeat dating anecdote stories, much like the experience used to be in listening to Joe Rogan's content. I suppose it's inevitable when you do weekly live content and your brand is your past sexual prowess. The "Best Date Ever" girl came up again that his long, lost love who he felt the strongest & immediate connection with in their brief time together (I believe she was also the tall, thicc girl in a Renaissance Faire dress) told him she had a bf after they went upstairs & fooled around (which immediately had him push her down into the Sleeper category), he also repeated the anecdote about how disciplined he was not to sleep with a girl throwing herself at him & reading his palm from the lobby of a Motel 6 one time
- Rachel Wilson, supposedly his biggest fangirl, asks him via SC about the origin story of his channel name (which has been answered on lives a million times). I suspect hoe_math didn't flip out on her like he usually does with pleb superchatters asking repeat Qs because he knows she's a fellow minor cow. And as we'll learn later, he's been cozying up to her hubby Andrew, or vice versa.
- A superchatter asks him if he would take the Socrates poison hemlock option & denounce his beliefs publicly if the authorities came down on him as a heretic. hoe_math gives the "Internet Tough Guy" answer, suggesting that it would never happen because anyone wishing him harm would suffer first, that instead they should be afraid of him, that he'd take many down with him before that ever happened, etc.
- There was a question about his favorite architecture style. He surprisingly said he loved Brutalist architecture styles, the grey angular type. Though he admitted it wouldn't be nice to live in an entire city filled with it. He also talked about not liking the "box arising from the ground" colonial housing types from New England where he was raised and preferred whatever homebuilding style is in San Francisco.
- He was asked about art and admitted that he had zero art adorned anywhere in his current rental home. Somewhat proven by the stark kitchen in the Standing Desk screenshot.



- He talked about having lots of short-term relationships that were "100% positive for both sides". Press X to doubt. I forget the context. He had many superchatters along the lines of "I'm a male early <25 future professional in college who is also a bodybuilder who has no time. Should I be dating or smashing casually?" hoe_math's advice for the most part was that it's perfectly fine for these young men to go gain sexual experience through random hookups and situationships because some is better than none. Which is pretty hypocritical considering he's also expounding about the importance of female chastity & pairbonding. And that he continually describes himself as a 40 y/o depressed, used up husk with no hope after his decades of doing the same. Thinking about it more, I believe the "I've had tons of flings that were 100% positive for both sides" was simply justification & cope giving his younger mentees permission to go smash "as long as she understands the situation."
- hoe_math is bragging about still having lots of willing women in his DMs. But his favorites are too far away (the prettiest groupie is a 5-hour plane trip). He isn't really interested presently because his work is too important and he doesn't want to leave his house to travel to get to know them. He wants to focus on his very important work instead.
- He did a little bit of a scorecard of his past conquests: dated/slept with 3 women that later admitted to being involved in prostitution (Prostitutes: "I would've slept with the men anyway..."), 1 dominatrix, 2 addicts/felons/women who were incarcerated, 1 women who was on probation (couldn't leave the state), another women was his peer who had been with over 130 men (and he refers to her with disdain)
- BK / HumanEngineeringPsych - his FBI involved collab from the PsyOps video (I watched the 1st 20 mins) was in chat. Apparently BK is also a hoe_math fanboy that sends him $100 every stream. He asked hoe_math on his opinions re: the nuances between Cognitive Behavioral & Dialetical Therapy. It was obvious hoe_math didn't know what Dialetical Therapy was, so he Googled it & opined based on what he read. That's Mr. 2-Psychology-Degrees for ya.
- Last fall when he was doing his couchsurfing/vanlife arc before renting his current mountain abode, a woman offered to have him move in with her. He declined because it would impact his video productivity.
- He hasn't listened to music in years, but used to like "high energy" stuff like rock, industrial, techno
- He talked more about Rich Zoomer Musician Girl, using her as an example of Gen Z helicopter parenting. "Like her parents had her locked in a tower." She was really babied & it was shocking to him. At age 23, she had a curfew, had to be home before dark, after which they'd lock down the house, wouldn't let her out, treated her "like a pet". She dropped out of college, was unemployed, they mostly just kept her idle in her room. hoe_math found that she needed constant attention all day, prevented him from working, "not running her own life". Made comparisons that by the same age, he was done college, living independently, working bad entry level jobs, etc.
- Someone asked him again about Psychedelics. hoe_math - They are a broad class, they aren't all the same. Certain % of the pop can't be helped by them, shouldn't take them. Certain % of the pop "will [have their] minds rewired positively". Success depends on "set & setting", the proper circumstances for use. The impacts of the rewiring can occur fairly quickly. Does NOT think they are VERY dangerous. But also doesn't recommend thrill seekers & those curious should just experiment with it willynilly.
- Talked about some dichotomy where very attractive women are bossier, pushier, more demanding but also have less trauma & aren't as messed up as the mids because they play life on Rookie Difficulty. Feels most 5-6s have so much repressed trauma that it really doesn't make them worth it in his experience.
- Rachel Wilson is superchatting again - talking again about some appearance she made owning some girlboss neocon daycare type. She commissioned hoe_math to draw Satan for her.
- hoe_math talked about how Andrew Wilson called him the other day, walked him through the backend of his YT metrics, told him they all suck/he's not doing great/he could be making a lot more money, offered to send hoe_math a camera that never came

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I listened to hoe_math's latest video breaking down women loving violence & criminals and trying to get more granular on "bad boy" traits.

It seems to be an hourlong expansion of this video from over a year ago where a woman talks about how wet she gets simply by having a dude point a sword at her throat and tilt her chin.

The video really had him trying to walk back & retcon the whole "good guy v. bad boy" dichotomy, encouraging its disuse as though he hasn't been incorporating it for almost 2 years.

The main themes were:
- women loathe weak men
- women like strong men in control
- women will choose strong dangerous felons before nice weak men because they subconsciously hate weak men so much
- it essentially boils down to Jordan Peterson's "You have to be capable of being a dangerous monster but choose not to use it unless forced" trope (pretty sure hoe_math directly referred to him)
- not only do you have to be strong & dangerous, but you must still only act decisively when it's in line with her feelings of the moment (gave an example of a bf breaking up a roadblocking protest blocking traffic, but girl didn't like it because she was manipulated by their victimhood narratives & their tears)

There really wasn't a whole lot there. It mostly seemed like he was trying to rebrand and distance himself from the concept of "bad boy/Dark Triad" traits = attraction. Or more specifically that successful bad boy attraction strategies doesn't equate to being an asshole.

There were two personal anecdotes in the video that stood out.

1) He talked about how he grew up as a weakling before hitting the gym at 24 because his father would call him a weakling.

So he seems to have both mommy & daddy issues given he's called his mom the most aloof person he knows.

2) I don't recall the exact context, but he was making some larger point, perhaps that it's risky to trust women but in the end you have to anyway.

His quip of his personal example was allowing Rich Zoomer Girl to use his car.


I was only listening to the audio, but he made reference several times to his "too hot for YT" BDSM drawing from 2023 that made Macken Murphy crashout on stream (though hoe_math didn't mention Murphy by name, only that " someone got mad at him")




He had an audio clip (in the 2025 vid, not any 2023 ones) of a woman talking about how she loved being a girlboss in control of everything outside the bedroom as a firstborn, but nothing was hotter than having a guy hold her arms down above her head in the sack.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

1) He talked about how he grew up as a weakling before hitting the gym at 24 because his father would call him a weakling.

How can he not consider himself still a weakling? He draws with crayons for an audience of manchildren. It's not exactly the most traditionally attractive or masculine type of occupation.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Or more specifically that successful bad boy attraction strategies doesn't equate to being an asshole.

At least he's trying to mitigate those who can't realize that being dominant ≠ belligerent douchebag, so I'll give him points.

his father would call him a weakling.

Man got personal daddy and mommy issues, that sucks.

I don't recall the exact context, but he was making some larger point, perhaps that it's risky to trust women but in the end you have to anyway.

This can describe some human relationships in general between people, not just romantic ones with women. His mom was aloof to him and he dated septum piercing girls, I think his experience is a little biased to say the least.

He had an audio clip (in the 2025 vid, not any 2023 ones) of a woman talking about how she loved being a girlboss in control of everything outside the bedroom as a firstborn, but nothing was hotter than having a guy hold her arms down above her head in the sack.

I just assume fetishes don't correlate to real life situations. Maybe hjs specifically do so he projects, or he's looking at any contradiction like a flaw. Plenty of people like the taboo in bed, it's a little thrill in a controlled environment.

How can he not consider himself still a weakling? He draws with crayons for an audience of manchildren. It's not exactly the most traditionally attractive or masculine type of occupation.

You're not wrong. There's strength of character, but this really isn't it as he has talked about attention and monetary incentives. He likely sees himself as a big valid dad role model now that many people have stroked his ego, therefore he is strong.

I hope he made peace with how his dad saw/sees him though. It's a mean thing to do to your children and gives them complexs, like his need for attention and validation.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

You're not wrong. There's strength of character, but this really isn't it as he has talked about attention and monetary incentives. He likely sees himself as a big valid dad role model now that many people have stroked his ego, therefore he is strong.

I hope he made peace with how his dad saw/sees him though. It's a mean thing to do to your children and gives them complexs, like his need for attention and validation.

Oh, he's acting like the daddy that he never had. It would be touching it wasn't so funny. Hoe is trying to compensate for his absentee father by educating his audience of incels with crayon drawings.