Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

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At the start of the video, the husband mentions how they wanted to start a family before all this happened. Maybe this is the cause of all this bullshit? I have always wondered why she went the munchie route when she doesn't have the typical characteristics of a munchie. She had education, fame, fortune, and simps. She didn't need to prove anything to anyone, she got invited to jobs and experiences people could only dream of. She didn't need money, she was making bank on YouTube alone. She didn't need attention, she had plenty of it from her fans and literal simps. But maybe the thought of being a mother was too much for her? Now she has an excuse. She can't be a mom because she's sick. Now her husband and parents will stop pestering her about it.

I truly think there’s a case for thoughtfully bringing back and updating the “hysteria” diagnosis. That constellation of factitious disorder, conversion syndrome, BPD, maybe a smattering of OCD, some complex trauma woven into the mix…

Similar to the idea behind Shit Life Syndrome, there should be a way to say “yeah your experience of being a woman made you insane.”

It’s like…a deep need/compulsion to only take control and change your own life, but only in ways that are perceived as passive to outsiders. She knows she needs to take control and say no to kids, but she Cannot do that, on pain of [???]. Taking extreme steps to say no and still be lovable and worthy.

 

[SaltyButter]

I am starting to wonder if maybe we should bring back some form of small asylums for munchies because think of the money it would save, have them all in one spot would reduce the amount of ER admissions, it could be treated as the mental illness it is with medication via shots and restraining people who are too self destructive and removes the attention for them from strangers. They would still be in a care environment. Like a nursing home for them. Doc comes once a week and only listens to all their imaginary problems so he can cut through the nonsense of actual vs imagined / feigned illnesses with the help of nurses keeping notes on the patients actual symptoms which are not declared but rather observed covertly somehow.

Not a solution or anything but. I dunno. Every day I think its more needed.

 

[GainsGoblin]

I am starting to wonder if maybe we should bring back some form of small asylums for munchies because think of the money it would save, have them all in one spot would reduce the amount of ER admissions, it could be treated as the mental illness it is with medication via shots and restraining people who are too self destructive and removes the attention for them from strangers. They would still be in a care environment. Like a nursing home for them. Doc comes once a week and only listens to all their imaginary problems so he can cut through the nonsense of actual vs imagined / feigned illnesses with the help of nurses keeping notes on the patients actual symptoms which are not declared but rather observed covertly somehow.

Not a solution or anything but. I dunno. Every day I think its more needed.

I think we should just bring back public floggings. Really give them something to cry about.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

Congenital blindness is rare, as is schizophrenia (though more common than congenital blindness). I’ve seen studies suggesting that the statistical power to prove or disprove a protective effect of CB against schizophrenia hasn’t been met in most studies. Not saying it can’t be true, but I’m a little skeptical. People with Usher syndrome (congenital deafness & visual impairment) definitely are susceptible to psychotic disorders, though, but then again their visual impairment is usually gradual.

 

[Fat Black Woman]

I am starting to wonder if maybe we should bring back some form of small asylums for munchies because think of the money it would save, have them all in one spot would reduce the amount of ER admissions, it could be treated as the mental illness it is with medication via shots and restraining people who are too self destructive and removes the attention for them from strangers. They would still be in a care environment. Like a nursing home for them. Doc comes once a week and only listens to all their imaginary problems so he can cut through the nonsense of actual vs imagined / feigned illnesses with the help of nurses keeping notes on the patients actual symptoms which are not declared but rather observed covertly somehow.

Not a solution or anything but. I dunno. Every day I think its more needed.

They would enjoy the attention too much. How romantic and fragile and dainty and tragic to be committed! I have negative opinions of psychiatry, but there are very real suffering people who need help and a lack of psychiatric beds and they shouldn't be wasted by munchies who will revel in their tragic stories of medical trauma and mistreatment. The proper way to deal with them is to flag them everywhere and completely ignore them unless they are actively for real for real dying. These people are attention-seeking, narcissistic retards, not genuinely mentally ill. Unless we're talking Munchausen's, of course, or factitious disorder.

I agree with @GainsGoblin that public floggings are also a great option.

 

[hole in my hand]

how can you post emma without mentioning her music? it honestly makes me believe she is deaf

 

[Scoia'tael]

Spoiler: Total Aside

For those interested in the Deaf experience beyond medical texts: I highly recommend the work of Christine Sun Kim a Deaf artist. I find her work breaks down the Deaf experience in a way that hearing people can understand more readily because she uses images, which hearing people generally think of as soundless.

Edit: oh dear try hard Elliot Smith. May have been endearing in some early Bob Dylan kind of way except everything about it sucks. Shes trying to sound emotionally distraught and beside artistry like all the sadboy singer/songwriters of the 90s but mostly sounds like she's climbing stairs. The whine in this register really doesnt do it for me, sorry. John Darnielle-ing too close to the sun and without his poetic parachute.

 

[Coon Cheese]

The craziest part about the new physics girl video is how she is just emotionally cheating on her husband with that German munchie. it's so fucking strange the way she talks about him, he's younger than her and far more attractive than her. if I was her husband I'd be upset if my wife was emotionally cheating on me with a younger attractive male. I'm sure you'd all be the same way if it was a man talking to a younger more attractive woman. The video is so strange there so much weird shit said all throughout the video.

 

[pink ponies happy skies.]

Having just finished reading all 1045 pages here, I really feel like I’ve seen some shit. Oh my word. What a ride!
I’m just a lurker usually - but getting caught up on the entire thread felt like it warranted a hello to my people.
(Of course, I’m a huge Kate Farms Shill fan girl. Who comes this far and isn’t?)
Anyway, also a medfag with hospice experience - which oddly might be more helpful than we would wish here.
Okay, back to my cave now. . .

 

[The Potatomatic 2000]

The Physics Girl thing was weird to me from day 1. Like oh, how surprising an LOL MUH SCIENCE e-famous woman suddenly becomes the victim.

But also.... they keep saying she just couldn't have a conversation. Or what? What happened? Her man keeps saying these "oh no, she can't watch a movie". OR WHAT? They just kept repeating she couldn't do this or that. Like if you make a video about her condition, then actually express yourself properly. Just "nah, man".
Also, if you think about it, she is a genius. Whatever she does is a giant victory. Oh, look, praise the queen for... WATCHING A TV SHOW. Celebrate, she ATE CHOCOLATE.

 

[Special Twizzler]

Paige has died. Her sister posted this earlier this week.

 

[VisceraNexus]

Paige has died.

Wow, this hits a different note for me than the other munchies. Not out of sympathy or pity for her, but for the people around her. She was like a self-mutilating black hole. I've been wracking my brain for years about what healthcare could possibly do for someone as far gone as Paige, and I come up woefully short every time. My heart is with those who cared for her, what an absolutely thankless task.

 

[Aunt Carol]

They would enjoy the attention too much. How romantic and fragile and dainty and tragic to be committed!

This is a good point, though... and also a moneymaking opportunity. I know there are a lot of munchies, and even basic Tumblr sad girls who romanticize being committed to a sanitarium back when you got more than 72 hours of grippy socks and scary actually-crazy roommates.

You can't tell me these girls wouldn't have loved it back in the day, when part of the sick little waif role was to go to a sanatorium. Play your cards right and it's basically a spa with the occasional enema, and you get wheeled down in the old wicker wheelchair to take the healing waters at the local hot springs.

Toobs and elective neurosurgery bring benzos and dilala, but also real pain and MDROs and itchy scalps from weeks of shower caps. Plus, now that everyone's getting surgery, maybe it's a little played out?

Return to tradition, come to our (self-pay) health spa in the mountains, we'll do the 1930s thing but throw in healing crystals and Tibetan singing bowls, great for selfies, probably cheaper on your parents than a hospital stay but that sure doesn't mean my profits aren't going to be healthy.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

What is shows is that the sound component of words is not actually necessary for the understanding of syntax and language. Most of us who are not deaf have "spoken" words as our internal monologue, and we hear the "spoken" version of a word when we read it, but that's only because that is the way we picked up language as children. Those who learn it in other ways (such as those who have been deaf from birth) still have that internal monologue, but it presumably consists of a succession of mental word-concepts that are just as coherent. That does make sense, the internal monologue is not a 24/7 thing and it is possible to perform complex thought processes without having a narration, such as when performing complex non-linguistic tasks. Think about drawing or painting, chances are you aren't always thinking "I'll draw this line here then this line here", but the series of tasks you must perform in the right order to create visual art do work similarly to language but can function perfectly well without it.

Spoiler

sLanguage acquisition is hardwired into the brain. What’s fascinating is it’s not reliant on sounds or written words/symbols etc…any type of input will do. what’s hardwired is grammar and syntax. It bestows a capacity for abstract thought like numbers do for math.

Your brain has the algebra or formula for language ready and primed from birth to six, it just needs the words or symbols to use dropped in. If you are deaf the brain happily plugs in gestures or symbols in lieu of sounds. Why that window slams shut at six is also a mystery, but I think it’s because that’s when the focus is total mastery, and the brain starts using grammar to create and express complex, abstract, unique, independent thoughts.

I noticed smart kids at age 6 it’s like a light switch flips on. The questions became abstract, they exhibit complex reasoning with words, they go from reading “see Jane jump” to 80 page Ronald Dahl books. Whatever hardwiring for grammar shuts at six that energy goes directly towards the concepts and thoughts not available without language mastery.

We are all familiar with the forbidden experiment but what’s interesting to me is how little language exposure is required for a child to learn. Even the worst abuse, neglect cases the kids can talk or quickly build stream to normal language acquisition. Kids need to be literally have to locked in a soundless room, hearing no conversations or TV and no interactions to not acquire language. Besides mobility it seems like the primary directive of an early human brain is to acquire language so the brain can be used to its potential.

Word usage can be acquired after age 6, it’s ability to easily apply it to grammar and syntax to words that seems be lost after the vaunted critical period of early language development

Paige has died. Her sister posted this earlier this week.
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Good. It’s what she wanted and a blessing for her family.

It’s sad but humans need to accept you cannot save people from themselves, particularly ones as determined as Paige. It’s just a shame Paige was allowed to drag her family and NZ healthcare along her self-destruction attention quest for so long. They should have let her die long ago. The fact it had to end in a legal battle says a lot, so does the fact she’s dead just two weeks after the legal decision.

 

[Baumstriezel]

Paige has died. Her sister posted this earlier this week.
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Well, I’ll be damned. And here I thought the court case was just another formality in her eternal bid to be the center of the world. I’m reminded of Chelsea - once she was officially blacklisted as a munchie, and no longer had access to endless ketamine and attention on demand, she threw one last temper tantrum I mean VSED and fucked off this mortal coil. At least now her family’s free. Heartbroken, but free.
Some people not only refuse to be saved, they’ll burn everything and everyone around them to make sure they won’t be.

 

[Kate Farms Shill]

Paige has died. Her sister posted this earlier this week.
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Damn. Five years late to win the death pool.

 

[Factitious fighter]

Physics girl was mentioned in this podcast episode about long covid Spotify link , starts at 18:14. At one point her husband compares long covid to cancer, which is.. interesting.

To update on the doctor in Malaga, yet another girl is going there in june (Gofundme link). Which now makes 10 girls from one small country all diagnosed with compression syndromes by the same doctor in the timespan of 1 year.
Digging deeper in some of the other girls operated on, it seems that almost all of them have had infections in Malaga. And most of them had complications which required more surgeries (and more money). I’m honestly quite surprised nobody has died yet, although i don’t know enough about the risks that come with these surgeries.

 

[Cassandra Says]

Paige has died. Her sister posted this earlier this week.
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The contrast between Paige and her sister is so striking. One healthy, happy young woman graduating and living her life and the other trying her best to (publicly) self destruct.

I feel bad for the people that loved her - but relieved for them too. What a horrible thing they have all had to endure. Paige finally got what she wanted.

 

[It's Never Leprosy]

Yeah, I'm relieved for Paige's family. Don't understand why we had to waste so many resources to get there, either.

Anybody else feel kinda weird after reading the court ruling? Not a legalfag, but are we to assume all of her treatment the last few years was against her will? Just...why? Let her kill herself, ffs. Allowing that isn't some kind of systemic failure, it's reducing suffering...for her, for her family, for the public at large who has medical resources diverted to her instead of for their own care.

I just don't understand the impetus to keep her alive at all costs, including against her own will. Is there a name for that?

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

Even the worst abuse, neglect cases the kids can talk or quickly build stream to normal language acquisition. Kids need to be literally have to locked in a soundless room, hearing no conversations or TV and no interactions to not acquire language. Besides mobility it seems like the primary directive of an early human brain is to acquire language so the brain can be used to its potential.

Word usage can be acquired after age 6, it’s ability to easily apply it to grammar and syntax to words that seems be lost after the vaunted critical period of early language development

This is why people are worried in the Luna/Empathic Nutritionist thread. Luna's little brother Atlas is 5 (?) and there's no evidence of him being able to speak at all, but he does understand verbal language. But that vital window is closing.