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TerminalTryHard said:
The amendment removing silencers from the NFA made it through the house and is in its way to the senate.

If you're a person who believes in calling and emailing congress critters, now would be the time. You can also still tell your senator to re add the SHORT amendment to it as well.
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I read the text and it looks like they reduced the tax to $0. I don't see anything about a repeal. Does that mean it still has to be registered? Am I just not understanding something about this?

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Pelican Bones said:
I read the text and it looks like they reduced the tax to $0. I don't see anything about a repeal. Does that mean it still has to be registered? Am I just not understanding something about this?

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Nobody gave a shit about $200, and that's the win we're being peddled?
 
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Syous said:
It's hard to tell at first but it seems the following text was amended into HR1 today.
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/119th-congress/house-amendment/22
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/119th-congress/house-report/113

(a) effectively removes silencers from the list of defined "firearms" requiring registration under the NFA, while the remainder nullifies the manufacture and transfer tax.
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Should be noted that this bill, if passed as is, does not also remove silencers from the GCA. Which means that while you wouldn't need to do the fingerprints and long approval process from the ATF, you would still need to do the same process as buying any gun within your state. So, form 4473, NICS check, and whatever other things your state may require.

They're still regulated as "firearms" under the GCA. But the Fifth Circuit says they aren't protected by 2A :story:

Either way though, this is still a big win. If we can get the Senate to put the SHORT act back into the bill, this is by far the biggest win for 2A since the AWB expired.
 
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Lead Lizard said:
Should be noted that this bill, if passed as is, does not also remove silencers from the GCA. Which means that while you wouldn't need to do the fingerprints and long approval process from the ATF, you would still need to do the same process as buying any gun within your state. So, form 4473, NICS check, and whatever other things your state may require.

They're still regulated as "firearms" under the GCA. But the Fifth Circuit says they aren't protected by 2A :story:

Either way though, this is still a big win. If we can get the Senate to put the SHORT act back into the bill, this is by far the biggest win for 2A since the AWB expired.
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Agreed.

Here's Mr. Gunsngear whitepilling about it

 
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FPC LEGAL ALERT: The federal government has changed its position in a criminal case where it previously argued that suppressors aren't protected by the Second Amendment because they're accessories and not arms. The government now argues that:

1) "[T]he Second Amendment protects firearm accessories and components such as suppressors"
2) "[R]estrictions on the possession of suppressors burden the right to bear arms, and a ban on the possession of suppressors or other similar accessories would be unconstitutional"
3) The NFA is constitutional because it's "a modest burden" and not a ban
4) The 3-judge panel should rehear the case and correct its analysis, rather than going en banc

 
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Yours Truly 2095 said:
FPC LEGAL ALERT: The federal government has changed its position in a criminal case where it previously argued that suppressors aren't protected by the Second Amendment because they're accessories and not arms. The government now argues that:

1) "[T]he Second Amendment protects firearm accessories and components such as suppressors"
2) "[R]estrictions on the possession of suppressors burden the right to bear arms, and a ban on the possession of suppressors or other similar accessories would be unconstitutional"
3) The NFA is constitutional because it's "a modest burden" and not a ban
4) The 3-judge panel should rehear the case and correct its analysis, rather than going en banc

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The NFA is supposedly constitutional because it’s a tax, but go ahead and try to Form 1 a machine gun as an individual.
 
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Yours Truly 2095 said:
3) The NFA is constitutional because it's "a modest burden" and not a ban
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This is still the "rejected" means-end testing that's supposed to be done away with by Bruen. From page 6 of their filing onwards it's just disguised means-end testing.
From the conclusion:
"...this Court should grant panel rehearing and hold that (a) the National Firearms Act’s regulations on suppressors burden the right to bear arms but that (b) the Act’s modest burden is consistent with the principles underlying the Second Amendment."
We have to agree that it violates the right to keep and bear arms, but our reasons for doing it are good, we promise. Those silences are scary and have been used a couple of times in the last century to kill people, so we're allowed to force registration on "nonessential" accessories and a $200 tax. We really need this list of lawful silencer owners! The way they twist themselves in knots hurts the brain.
 
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Pretend To Imagine said:
The NFA is supposedly constitutional because it’s a tax, but go ahead and try to Form 1 a machine gun as an individual.
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True, but this is a huge step towards at the very least reopening the machine gun registry at the very least. Every journey begins with a single step.
 
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The Dude said:
True, but this is a huge step towards at the very least reopening the machine gun registry at the very least. Every journey begins with a single step.
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I would love to see the NFA repealed, but I’m not so sure there is a political appetite for it. Even getting SBRs off the registry doesn’t seem to have as much momentum behind it, even though it makes no logical sense for SBRs to be regulated since pistols are not regulated by the NFA.
 
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Pretend To Imagine said:
Even getting SBRs off the registry doesn’t seem to have as much momentum behind it, even though it makes no logical sense for SBRs to be regulated since pistols are not regulated by the NFA.
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I believe the reason SBR bills die is due to the DEA among other agencies. Suppressors aren't found in crimes much, but I'm sure SBRs are found a hell of a lot in drug busts. Even if gun charges get dropped they still can use it and the 10 years as leverage to get information out of someone in exchange for dropping the charge. I remember years ago talking to someone in the know about this but my memory is murky. Take it with salt.
 
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Yours Truly 2095 said:
I believe the reason SBR bills die is due to the DEA among other agencies. Suppressors aren't found in crimes much, but I'm sure SBRs are found a hell of a lot in drug busts. Even if gun charges get dropped they still can use it and the 10 years as leverage to get information out of someone in exchange for dropping the charge. I remember years ago talking to someone in the know about this but my memory is murky. Take it with salt.
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Ever video I see of niggers posing with weapons their Dracos aren't stocked or even braced. You'd think the Feds would catch enough of them with Glock switches to have the same leverage.

Anyways, since all gun forums are cancer. Has there been any documented cases of P365's having uncommanded discharges like their big brothers?
 
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