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It's not the place, it's the people. Yeah sure they are able to withstand a lot of horrible conditions. Guess what? So are a lot of retards. It's actually like a secret retard strength that they can endure a lot of messed up conditions because they're so detached from higher thought that they never consider trying to improve it. And it's not specifically a race thing but race factors heavily into it - there are tons of whites who are also too stupid to reach for grander things than living in a barren tundra and eating frozen fish every day. Africa has some of the greatest bounties of resources in the world and has very fertile lands, but the people who have lived in many parts of it since time began seem to just be too fucking retarded to make use of it. Lefties continually claim that muh colonialism stopped them from ever doing anything productive but there is a reason that the joke about Zimbabwe using candles for lighting after inventing electricity exists. There are tons of modern examples of colonial powers being driven out of Africa by marxist backed forces, and even after then fighting the marxists with their own nationalist forces, most African nations may as well be in the stone age in terms of development, they literally subsist off the overflow from other more prosperous nations.

Tl;Dr rhodesia was the best thing to ever happen to Africa and they ruined that too
Respectfully I have to disagree man, no white guilt or anything I LOVE BEING WHITE, its not a issue of politics or even opinion its damn close to objective fact that in the 17th and 18th century africa got fucked pretty hard. Blame the Warlords that played into the slave system or blame the "evil colonizers" the result is the same, when the other major powers in the west (yes Africa is in the west if Europe is) were abusing the fuck out of machined parts while most "developing nations" were still figuring out complex social structures. Like if I was playing a Vic 2 multiplayer match and IRL events started to happen id straight up ban the UK and French player for game ruining as would most multiplayer hosts, I know thats far from a 1 to 1 comparison but you get my meaning?

Also somthing I wanna remind everyone about electricity is at the end of the presitation where the guy make a bulb light up without a flame and everyone claps, under his breath, he is like

"Ohh btw to make it work you need to hang a fuckload of wires about 20 feet off the ground"

"Uhhh thats kinda a big disclaimer edison, where do we have to hang these wires?"

"everywhere"

"everywhere? like you mean...?"

"Everywhere you want electricity that is"

And no one batted an eye, neither you or me put down one inch of the infrastructure but we benefit from it and act very high and mighty to those without it, if it disappeared tomorrow how confident are you we could rebuild it?
 
The European powers used Africa and India and south America as the resources and funding for all the advancements of the industrial revolution without sharing any of the expertise with the locals, they may have left refinery's but not one university.
not true
india started industrializing long before the british left, some of the biggest industrial companies in the country today (like tata steel) were founded in 1800s british india, led by indians who had studied in british universities.
also, during this same time period, major universities in india were founded with british oversight/assistance that are today some of the largest in the world (mumbai university for instance)
south america was already largely independent at this time(chile, argentina, brasil all gained independence in the early 1800s)

in africa no such developments happened because there simply wasn't anything to work with. establishing universities and industry in india is one thing, the people there already had a very long tradition of civilisation and scholarship. meanwhile africans were unironically stone age level, lots of them didn't even have written languages, and in many places there the level of civilisation had barely progressed beyond small village subsistence agriculture and tribal kingdoms. there was a complete absence of formal societal organisation, and of infrastructure, both of which are prerequisites for further economic and intellectual development.
 
Guys I know we spend more on healthcare than any other nation while being one of the sickest, but if we reform it AT ALL some poor black person might lose their speech therapist, so is it really even worth trying?
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It's called creative destruction in economics. The speech therapy was only expensive because of government manipulation of healthcare and enriched themselves on Medicaid always paying a high $ amount. Perhaps a new cheaper speech therapist can come in to take it's place.
 
in africa no such developments happened because there simply wasn't anything to work with. establishing universities and industry in india is one thing, the people there already had a very long tradition of civilisation and scholarship. meanwhile africans were unironically stone age level, lots of them didn't even have written languages, and in many places there the level of civilisation had barely progressed beyond small village subsistence agriculture and tribal kingdoms. there was a complete absence of formal societal organisation, and of infrastructure, both of which are prerequisites for further economic and intellectual development.

yes and no, this is why it's important to remember that the Arabs had been trading and raiding and settling for a long long time before whitey got there

people like to bring up things like the sakora madrasah


as if they're the equivalent of oxford or even of al-azhar and obviously that's dumb but it's just not true that the entire continent of Africa, or even the entirety of subsaharan africa, was jungle bunnies

I personally think the main cause of much of africa being a fucking basket case in 2025 is the cold war. well ok the main cause is they're black, but even so, the cold war meant that no national liberation movement could establish a stable government anywhere without aligning with one side and both sides were constantly fucking with every third world national liberation movement at all times. Simon Bolivar himself couldn't have done shit under those conditions.
 
because there's tons and tons and tons of food and medical aid going in there constantly

also my dude there are in fact universities in all of those places. South America in particular is hardly oogabooga land.
The problem is the people who took over most post-colonial African governments were not the smartest, but the ones capable of dominating militarily.

Fun fact: there are more African-born and African-trained scientists in the biotech industry than African Americans. African Americans are there but mostly in marketing and logistics positions. There absolutely are intelligent, enterprising, and (I dare say) civilized people from Africa, but they do not work or live in Africa. They go to Europe or the US. It is because African countries are by and large run by glorified warlords who are corrupt beyond belief.

Small edit to add here: really smart, capable, and enterprising Africans leave because of the corruption. If they start gaining more influence than the glorified warlords, the warlords kill them. In African countries, when the warlord kills you, you die. That's it. No one gives a shit about laws on paper when the biggest, strongest, meanest motherfucker is pointing a gun at you and no one is around to hold that bastard accountable.

I've read stories from Americans who went to Africa to work at hospitals funded by Western money. These are places meant to help locals fight tropical diseases, provide emergency medicine, and do not generate any profit. Still, those places need 24/7 armed security because the local well-armed politician Click Clack McGillicutty spoke to his khat-addicted shaman who said the hospital is practicing black magic and that's why his wife's kid doesn't look anything like him. The theft that occurs is unmanageable. Some of the locals rely on these clinics and hospitals and are grateful for them, but all it takes is enough idiots to force these facilities to close because of violence. This isn't even taking into account situations whereby a Chinese-backed local politician wants the US-funded hospital gone for political reasons, even though the Chinese aren't funding a new hospital. It's a complete fucking mess and there isn't a way at present to solve it.
 
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I've read stories from Americans who went to Africa to work at hospitals funded by Western money. These are places meant to help locals fight tropical diseases, provide emergency medicine, and do not generate any profit. Still, those places need 24/7 armed security because the local well-armed politician Click Clack McGillicutty spoke to his khat-addicted shaman who said the hospital is practicing black magic and that's why his wife's kid doesn't look anything like him. The theft that occurs is unmanageable. Some of the locals rely on these clinics and hospitals and are grateful for them, but all it takes is enough idiots to force these facilities to close because of violence. This isn't even taking into account situations whereby a Chinese-backed local politician wants the US-funded hospital gone for political reasons, even though the Chinese aren't funding a new hospital. It's a complete fucking mess and there isn't a way at present to solve it.

the thing is, we're fooling ourselves if we think this is only possible in africa

yeah sure it's probably worse when it's more melinated and it's better to live in, say, one of the -stans where the corruption is stabler and there's just one strongman kicking everyone's ass, but shitty situations like this are what you get when there's no rule of law and it's why preserving our institutions is so vitally important and why destruction of faith in the court system is so dangerous.
 
Im kinda getting the idea that Africa, or atleast parts of it may have just gotten a really rotten round of "wrong place wrong time" during the industrial revolution cause on paper the shit that brought European nations to their fucking knees is just tuesday for them.
Africa is shit because of the Africans and it's self-evident if you're not working backwards from some vague notion of tabula-rasa style humanist egalitarianism.

Colonization, famine, whatever did not produce the rape statistics in sub-saharan African nations.
 
you're not stupid this is something people are deliberately miseducated on

the irish potato famine is called an gorta mor, the great hunger, in Ireland because it was not a famine, it was an attempted genocide

you are correct that ireland had excellent productive land. this land was not in irish hands, it was owned by english what we would now call agribusiness. the irish had been being excluded from ownership for the good agricultural land for centuries and were subsisting on shitty land. if the potato hadn't been introduced they probably would have died out completely/been assimilated. but the potato allowed them not just to live on shitty land but for the population to boom.

this large rural population was entirely dependent on the potato. The potato began to fail in the 1840s. The blight was not contained to Ireland, it was widespread throughout Europe and a major contributer to political unrest. But elsewhere, peasants had other food sources.

the english landowners let the irish die. commodities were shipped out of ireland for sale rather than distributed to people literally starving in the roads.

you were deliberately miseducated on this because this history makes totally clear that the racial narrative of the evils of European colonialization is complete lies. There is nothing racial about one people doing this to another.
Yep, the native Irish landholders were completely dispossessed and destroyed by the Tudors (who targeted mainly the Gaelic nobility) and again in the English Civil Wars (this time targeting the Hiberno-Normans, the descendants of Norman knights who had gone native). Ireland at this time was in the grip of the Protestant Ascendancy, which explicitly aimed to reduce the Irish to serfs completely at the (nonexistent) mercy of the empowered Anglican aristocracy (and to a lesser extent, their mostly Presbyterian Scots-Irish footsoldiers, who also got a raw deal but one that was less shitty than the one handed to Irish Catholics, comparable to how poor white enforcers & employees were obviously better-treated by Southern planters relative to black slaves).

As late as 1870, 97% of the land in Ireland was owned by absentee English landlords who didn't even live in Ireland. And that was after some emancipatory reforms made by the British once they decided it might've looked a little bad to keep being mega-cunts to the Irish right across the sea when they were fully getting into their Victorian humanitarian phase & sinking slaver ships throughout the Atlantic or characterizing the Tsar of Russia as a cruel despot lording it over an empire of slaves and imprisoned nations (presumably Russian lampooning of the British treatment of the Irish whenever London tried moralizing to them about the plight of their own serfs, the Poles, etc. was the 19th-century precursor to Soviet accusations of 'you are lynching negroes!' every time a 'Murican started talking about their famines or the Great Purge in the Cold War).

There was definitely a racial & religious element to it all though. The idea that the Irish weren't 'really' white was definitely not unique to America, it was very much in vogue in Britain as well and the stereotype of the Irish back then was not some redheaded hottie or fun leprechaun: it was that of dark-haired, thuggish, bestial and superstitious Papist savages who yearned for a return to the Dark Ages in-between drinking themselves to death and breeding armies of children with FAS, and the enlightened Anglo aristocrat would be shocked & offended at the suggestion that he was of the same stock as them. The Irish founding myth of descending from 'Milesians' who came from Iberia was reappropriated by the Brits to form theories like this famous one:

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The famine was further used by Protestant missionaries as an opportunity to convert Catholic Irish to the new, ascendant church. Don't want to starve? Great, just forsake the last scraps of your heritage and you can have this soup. Suffice to say, 'souper' remains basically the Irish equivalent for race traitor/Uncle Tom/hanjian/etc. to this day. The Great Hunger was 1000% an English op to genocide the Irish, whether physically or spiritually, I don't think Sir Charles Trevelyan and those above him in the British government particularly minded either way.

Tl;dr the more one reads about Anglo-Irish history, the harder it gets to fault the Irish for wanting to get the Brits to fuck off by any means necessary and to dissociate from the English identity being pushed on them so rabidly, whether it was by becoming more Catholic than the Popes or reviving their ancient Gaelic language. (You can and should, however, still blame them for thinking turning to Communism was a good idea starting around the mid-20th century.)
 
Africa is shit because of the Africans and it's self-evident if you're not working backwards from some vague notion of tabula-rasa style humanist egalitarianism.

Colonization, famine, whatever did not produce the rape statistics in sub-saharan African nations.
Africa was made out of food, but the food would eat you back.

Result? Low investment in individual offspring, high birthrate to increase net survival rate

So you see low empathy, hypersexuality, impulsivity, high risk behavior, low investment in basically all elements of society
 
Africa was made out of food, but the food would eat you back.

Result? Low investment in individual offspring, high birthrate to increase net survival rate

So you see low empathy, hypersexuality, impulsivity, high risk behavior, low investment in basically all elements of society
Guns Germs and Steel is a retarded book for retarded people.
 
No it isn't. Once you turn the tap off they'll just do with the hispanic whites what they did with the Italians, the Poles and all that shit i.e count them as white.

They already count them as white. Problem is, unlike Poles and Italians, Aztecs and Mayans aren't actually white and never will be.
 
I saw "Chud" being used unironically for the first time today. I thought it was just a meme.

"They're not owed an argument"

And this is why the left will lose. They refuse to actually explain their position to outsiders; they refuse to convert people. If you're not already part of the club, you're not taken seriously; you're condescended to, or ignored.

Well I hope the 'you can't sit with us' strategy works for them because meanwhile Trump is like 'hey you can sit with me if you want.'
 
Good gracious, in the "enlightened" Subreddit BlackPeopleTwitter they were calling KAMALA a nazi, WHEW LAD
This is normal, it's a tactic the left uses called "It's never enough."

It doesn't matter how far to the left you go. It doesn't matter how much marxist bullshit they spout and socialist gibs they promise.

It's never enough becuase they're always, ALWAYS, "Center-right." Kamala? Bernie Sanders? Hell, Karl Marx? They were all "center right" compared to "real leftists" like in some mythical nonexistent communist utopia in Europe / Canada.

It's a tactic to force the base to constantly push further to the left, no matter what they're given, to "never be complacent," et cetera. But if you combine this with the left's pathological inability to define what it means to go "too far left" you get shit like people nodding and accepting "Kill the [White Farmer]" chants as just catchy songs that mean nothing or letting half naked erotic dancers do "child drag shows" to 6 year olds in front of their cheering pedophile enabling parents.

A similar and related thing we see with the social justice lynch mobs -- the "virtue spiral." See, you don't get credit for being just as anti-racist as everyone else. You have to be MORE anti-racist to get clout and asspats. So this is why you see them call out people and situations and activist all over people -- they want to stand out from the crowd. But the crowd simply moves forward to meet them -- remember, they literally can't understand the idea of going too far, and they're all social media clout chasers -- which changes the status quo. This repeats until you start seeing Antifa types setting off pipe bombs (should be starting sometime this summer if history repeats) "for the cause."
 
The Biggest Losers in Trump’s Megabill
The Wall Street Journal (archive.ph)
By Katy Stech Ferek, Kristina Peterson and Jasmine Li
23 May 2025 12:28:20 UTC
House Republicans narrowly passed legislation that would extend President Trump’s tax cuts for most Americans and create new breaks while cementing other conservative priorities. To help offset some of the costs of the president’s agenda, the package also included spending cuts.

The measure, which now heads to the Senate, scales back funding for Medicaid and food assistance for low-income people. Smaller groups of people, such as electric-vehicle owners and some student-loan borrowers, could take a financial hit. Here’s a look at who stands to lose out economically if the bill becomes law.

Some Medicaid users

Republicans are proposing to add work requirements and more frequent eligibility checks for some of the more than 70 million low-income and disabled people who rely on the government health-insurance program. Childless adults without disabilities between the ages 19 and 64 would have to provide documentation that they worked 80 hours a month prior to applying. There are exceptions, including for pregnant women.

It is unclear how many people stand to lose coverage. An earlier estimate from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that at least 8.6 million people would lose coverage by 2034, though that figure didn’t reflect last-minute changes to the bill that moved up work requirements to 2026 from 2029. The earlier estimate included 1.4 million unauthorized immigrants who receive coverage through 14 states and Washington, D.C., that provide it using the states’ and the district’s own money.

Older food-aid recipients

The $286 billion in cuts to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance program would largely affect two categories of people who rely on the program for low-income households. The bill tightens the existing work requirements by raising the age—to 64, up from 54—of able-bodied people who must work at least 80 hours per month to receive SNAP benefits. Currently, able-bodied people between the ages of 18 and 54 can receive food assistance for no more than three months within a three-year period unless they are working or enrolled in a work program.

The current work requirement doesn’t apply to caregivers of children under 18, but the House GOP bill would narrow that exception to people caring for a child under the age of seven.

Clean-energy projects

Republicans aim to eliminate a number of climate and infrastructure-related programs created under the Biden-era Inflation Reduction Act. The sunsetting of green-energy tax credits would account for the bulk of savings. The tax benefits have prompted more than $420 billion to be invested in about 750 clean-energy projects since the 2022 law, according to Ceres, a nonprofit advocacy group.

As a last-minute concession to hard-liners, Republican leaders agreed to end certain tax credits for wind- and solar-energy projects earlier, accelerating the phaseout to 2028 instead of 2031 unless projects have invested at least 5% of total cost within 60 days of the law’s enactment. Ending the credits would raise about $500 billion over the next decade, according to a Tax Foundation analysis done before the final changes.

The House proposal also ends renewable-energy credits for rooftop solar projects at the end of the year, seen as a potentially fatal blow to the industry.

Some student-loan borrowers

The GOP’s proposal seeks to reshape the federal student-loan program. Most cuts would come from the termination of income-contingent repayment plans, including President Biden’s stalled SAVE plan, which lowered monthly payments for many borrowers but cost taxpayers more. The legislation also would tighten Pell Grant eligibility for part-time students and expand it for students in short-term workforce programs.

The bill proposes two new options for loans paid out after July 1, 2026: a standard repayment plan, where borrowers pay a fixed amount each month over 10 to 25 years; or the Repayment Assistance Plan, which would tie payments to the borrower’s adjusted gross income. Republican backers say the new plans would encourage faster repayment and prevent interest from ballooning, while critics say they could result in higher monthly payments and leave borrowers with fewer choices.

EV/hybrid car owners and buyers

Drivers of electric or hybrid cars will face a new annual tax tied to the registration process. Under the bill, owners will pay $250 per year for an electric vehicle and $100 per year for a hybrid vehicle to generate new revenue for the federal Highway Trust Fund, which pays for highway improvements and is funded by a gasoline tax paid at the pump.

Congress hasn’t increased the gas tax in decades or indexed it to inflation, and collections have fallen because cars are more fuel-efficient. For purchasers of electric vehicles, tax credits for buying a used model would end after this year. Credits for new EVs also would largely end, but some manufacturers’ models could still qualify in 2026.

Incoming federal workers

The proposal includes a requirement for new federal civilian employees to choose to either serve as at-will or contribute an additional 5% of their salary toward retirement. CBO estimates that 75% of incoming federal hires will avoid paying the higher retirement contribution and opt for at-will status, meaning that they can be terminated without cause. The proposal also eliminates a retirement benefit for workers who retire before age 62.

State budgets

States will be faced with covering a greater share of costs associated with Medicaid and SNAP.

Lawmakers proposed to restrict the taxes used to finance state Medicaid contributions. Nearly every state uses provider taxes to raise money to finance Medicaid. Hospitals often tend to get back more in payments than they shelled out for the original tax, which shores up their ability to care for Medicaid patients. The proposal also would reduce funding to states that offer coverage for immigrants in the country illegally. In a move that benefits a handful of conservative states, the proposal would give extra money to states that haven’t adopted a Medicaid expansion.

On food assistance, states will have to pick up part of the tab for SNAP benefits for the first time, along with a bigger share of the administrative costs. The GOP proposal would force states to pay at least 5% of the benefits starting in 2028.
 
There was definitely a racial & religious element to it all though. The idea that the Irish weren't 'really' white was definitely not unique to America, it was very much in vogue in Britain as well and the stereotype of the Irish back then was not some redheaded hottie or fun leprechaun: it was that of dark-haired, thuggish, bestial and superstitious Papist savages who yearned for a return to the Dark Ages in-between drinking themselves to death and breeding armies of children with FAS, and the enlightened Anglo aristocrat would be shocked & offended at the suggestion that he was of the same stock as them. The Irish founding myth of descending from 'Milesians' who came from Iberia was reappropriated by the Brits to form theories like this famous one:

it goes the other way around. the racial/religious element is developed and articulated as a defense for the actions. It's super ok for us to rule over them because we're smart organized and protestant/progressive/whatever and they're stupid feckless and catholic.

every single colonialist trope is used in this document


and again, this isn't taught because it destroys the idea that this form of oppression is something white people do to the nonwhite.
 
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