Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

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Spunt said:
I don't think it's really possible to accurately fake schizophrenia in a way that would fool any medical professional, especially in person. Schizophrenics have such a weird set of behavioural tells, ranging from very particular ways that they speak to unique facial expressions and odd tones of voice that you'd have to be Lawrence Olivier to pull that off. Schizophrenia is a condition of hyper-creativity, of your brain making incorrect connections, that you'd have to be a world-class freestyle battle rapper or something to be able to think quick enough to pull off the rambling-but-connected stream of consciousness associated with the condition, and the switching from subject to subject at lightning speed in a way that only works with a very peculiarly distinctive way of thinking.

Of course fooling the masses is maybe easier, especially over the internet, especially as most people don't know the real symptoms of the condition (there's a weirdly persistent popular view that muddles it up with DID and "multiple personalities") and even if they looked them up, if they didn't have any actual schizophrenics in their life (or spent multiple years on Kiwi Farms I suppose), they wouldn't know what it actually looks like.

And most importantly, most schizophrenics are recluses. It's a tiny minority who make deranged videos like Tony Chase or John Bulla, most are so paranoid that they avoid the world altogether and disappear out of view. They don't try to become famous for having schizophrenia, I've never come across any genuine schizophrenics who have done that.
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This is the munchie thread. Idk if she ever tried to proof her diagnosis, but it honestly doesn't matter, because apparently if someone really wants a specific diagnosis, they will get it eventually. I also think that it is unfakeable IRL. Her videos seem super fake, but I only watched the ones in the thread. If she's not faking, the guilt falls onto the caretaker abomination. It's fucked up either way.
Zemblan Physics said:
You’re unfortunately forgetting that there are a lot of utterly (often imported) incompetent medical professionals out there, who merrily will diagnose any bizarre or odd behavior as ”schizophrenia” during a psych ED visit, for example. So I don’t find it impossible that she might have a diagnosis of schizophrenia, but no, she doesn’t actually suffer from it.
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Yes! Even if this wasn't true, if she would go to enough doctors, she'd find one, who'd give her the diagnosis.
 
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She doesn't need schizophrenia to be psychotic and delusional, and oftentimes a psychiatrist will diagnose schizophrenia in order to get the ball rolling on medication and support. Especially if there's a family history. I find it hard to believe that a person her age, with her obvious familiarity with identity politics, would be on Tiktok right now attempting to sympathy-LARP via converting to Judaism and identifying as a Zionist. She's publicly identifying with one of the most popular causes for her target audience to hate, and she's not getting much positive feedback. Most of these girls, even those who get serious hate, have a base of supporters who buy the story as they tell it, and they lean on that support. This girl is only well known because she's batshit even by the standards of online zoomers, and they like to laugh at her. Even Dani has well meaning commenters who see a sick lady with a tube and cheer her on. Emma? Her audience would be made up of people sympathetic to identity politics melodramas, but those people are going to be immediately turned off by the massive Israeli flag behind her. Well meaning passers-by are going to be turned off by her whole affect. Who is giving this girl her fix, attention-wise?
I think she is genuinely psychotic. Maybe it's a slow burn, maybe it's a snap of mania, who knows. But the speed with which it happened, the incongruity of her identities with what's in vogue, the way her fixations bounce around, and the general oddness of her behavior seem indicative of someone who's undergoing a real break with reality. It also seems like she and the troon dad have isolated themselves. I'm imagining a small apartment in a lower-middle income suburb, cheap shit from Amazon strewn everywhere, middle aged troon paying attention to trying on dresses and little else, and daughter experiencing a bout of mania that doesn't get picked up on because neither she nor her dad go anywhere except the drive thru.
It's hard to say how "real" this is for her but I'm fairly confident that it doesn't stop when the camera turns off. If I had to guess, I'd put money on some kind of bipolar or intermittent mania. Manic people lose the ability to recognize socially acceptable limits. Everybody spends money, manic people spend all of it. They have too much sex, do too many drugs, they can't grasp the severity of stalking versus trying to get a date. It makes sense that a 20 something girl on Tiktok, if she were in a manic episode, would start overdoing her commitment to identity politics. "Oppression points" work a little like currency on certain parts of the internet, and I think as young people start hitting the age window where these episodes happen, mania will present more and more like this- overspending your social currency and forgetting how to moderate your online lies.
 
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Munchie_Minder said:
Hello my lovelies.. especially you KFS 😍.. been busy with real life for quite a bit but I saw that our infamous no-no casts munchie has finally given her family relief from her decades long reign of terror. What a sad, pitiful life. I really hope her family has all the support they need to grieve the loss of her potential and does not blame themselves. Her mom, in particular, was trying so hard for so long to help her.

Xoxoxo
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GORL I THOUGHT YOU DIED. HOLY SHIT, WELCOME BACK. No joke I was just talking about you the other day and about how I wished I had saved my convos with you so I could just make sure you were ok.
 
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BIG SHOT Autos said:
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Rosenhan experiment - Wikipedia

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I hateee hateee this so called "study" and its consequences. the common narrative is that they were just slightly pretending to be crazy and then acted fully sane, and evil corrupt psychiatrists kept them locked up unfairly for absolutely no reason at all, this is a total lie.

As anyone should know, a good little scientist doesn't participate in their own experiment, it’s an outright confounding variable that causes bias in the result, see pseudo-science like the Standford prison experiment and well, this paper. Rosenhan was actually the first pseudo-patient going under the name of Lurie.

Rosenhan told the admitting psychiatrist that he was able to intercept radio signals and listen to other people’s thoughts, which he muted by placing a copper pot on his head. He sought in-patient care because he believed that the hospital was better insulated than his home, where he had been unable to work or sleep. Rosenhan/Lurie found the situation so distressing that he had considered suicide.
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Rosenhan also claimed that his wife “did not know how disturbed and helpless and useless” he was, that he had “thought of suicide” and believed that “everyone would be better off if he was not around”
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Telling any shrink ur thinking of killing yourself is a guaranteed way to get a one way trip to the loony bin, so take this paper with a metric ton of salt. The paper cuts all this critical information out, and in terms of academic credibility its closer to a journalistic hit piece than an actual study and subsequently destroyed the mental healthcare system, letting the loonies out to wander.

Keep in mind the paper stated each consumer presented with just one symptom: voices that said “thud, empty, hollow” I have a sneaking suspicion Rosenhan tried this and didn't get admitted, so he ultimately changed the actual methodology of the experiment and then re ran it telling every participant to act as crazy as possible and did the same himself removing this "negative result" from the paper.

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Note that there were 9 participants, only 8 are included in the paper, as the 9th participant Lando reported having a positive experience. "He described the ward he was on as a healing, comforting environment, where the staff truly cared for the patients and they recovered" so being a good little researcher, he obviously omitted this. Plus based on the limited evidence available it's entirely possible he just fabricated 6 of the 9 paticipants.

I've attached the original paper, highly recommend reading the other two archived articles about how flawed this experiment was, just don't wanna just copy and paste from the articles and call this some ground breaking writing.

Honestly, it's not hard to fake a mental health condition (I won't tell you how to lol), much easier than a physical health condition, principally because shrinks aren’t mind readers, a significant portion of the evidence for a mental health condition is self-reported and on the basis of good faith, everything a consumer states is taken verbatim (but... It's taken with a grain of salt) that's why family/friends are "ideally" involved, crazy people lie.

Adult ADHD Self-Report Scale (ASRS), Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale – 4th Edition (WAIS-IV), The Camouflaging Autistic Traits Questionnaire (CAT-Q), The Ritvo Autism Asperger Diagnostic Scale – Revised (RAADS–R), Depression Anxiety Stress Scales (DASS-21), et al

Tools are useful to provide a more objective means of assessing a consumer, but they’re not perfect, and not the sole means of diagnosis. A comprehensive mental health assessment "ideally" involves a fair bit of history taking, critically examining past presentation, their present condition and medical history, whether that fully takes place is dependent on time, resources available and priority.

Faking a mental health condition to the point of actually being diagnosed by a registered psychiatrist will take some commitment to the point they might actually develop one, but.. if you're a munchie, that's just icing on the cake for your self-validation.

Psychiatrists hand out BPD diagnoses like candy, any woman who presents twice that obviously isn't experiencing psychosis or depression pretty much gets one, it's become the new female hysteria, and unfortunately it's a diagnosis that's self-perpetuating as once a consumer is diagnosed with BPD they tend to exhibit more severe BPD traits filling the void in their personality with their new diagnosis.
 

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That's a really informative reply, thank you, however, I still think it's possible to fool professionals and even yourself (which is why munchies munching in the first place, imo) and having a huge amount of bad faith professionals out there doesn't make it better.

I'm also aware that anecdotes aren't proof, but I have met way, way too many people who were misdiagnosed, or diagnosed when there was clearly a psychological problem going on rather than psychiatric. Yes, a psychological issue can seep its roots so deeply, one becomes legitimately crazy, but basically I firmly believe that it's still easy to fool professionals, especially nowadays. I had known a traumatized, but generally just rather retarded teenage DID larper that got diagnosed with schizophrenia. Oddly enough, that's what she was trying to demand from doctors, not the DID, and she got it. Multiple doctors across various countries that she visited went, "yep, you're a schizo" and prescribed meds that made her worse. She wasn't acting like a schizo. She was your generic DID larper that kinda comes off as BPD, but like I said, she was traumatized. Mental trauma, ideally, is getting worked through and the person just lives on, and yes, she "snapped" out of her "schizophrenia" eventually. I'm not sure how she copes with all the stigma she has collected by obtaining an official diagnosis though, I suspect most just assume she's in a schizo remission.

That's also not to mention that a lot of psychiatrists barely, if ever, care to find out whether an individual might be experiencing something else that might manifest as mental illness. My :optimistic: guess here is that most assume that the patient ran other tests and took care of themselves first before coming to them and saying "nothing I do works", but reality is, these types of people never do shit.
 
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PinkDancingDogs said:
@RNTard What's with referring to patients or clients as consumers? Is it a translation sort of thing or a personal commentary? (Not asking in a snarky way, just curious.)
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That's what they're referred to at some behavioral hospitals. I don't know how common it is but I have seen it at places I have dealt with.
 
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PinkDancingDogs said:
@RNTard What's with referring to patients or clients as consumers? Is it a translation sort of thing or a personal commentary? (Not asking in a snarky way, just curious.)
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It's recovery oriented language, aka the latest turn of the euphemism cycle. See attachment for more, absolutely amazing dehumanising language.
A Consumer is a person living with a mental health condition who is using or has previously used a mental health service. Where possible, describe consumers as ‘people accessing services’ or ‘with lived experience of a mental health condition
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consumers can threaten, punch, kick and abuse you, but don't you dare ever state so.
 

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RNTard said:
It's recovery oriented language, aka the latest turn of the euphemism cycle. See attachment for more, absolutely amazing dehumanising language.

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consumers can threaten, punch, kick and abuse you, but don't you dare ever state so.
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“Consumer” sounds SO MUCH WORSE than client or customer or patient. Holy shit lol
 
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