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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 223 23.6%
  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 65 6.9%
  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 414 43.9%
  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 200 21.2%
  • Tim

    Votes: 352 37.3%
  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 190 20.1%
  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 244 25.9%
  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 21 2.2%
  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 472 50.1%
  • Max Landis

    Votes: 52 5.5%

  • Total voters
    943
I swear to God, their entire legacy in my brain is going to be, "Jesus, they could have fed a lot of starving kids in Africa with all the money they waste on stupid shit" and I don't think anything they could ever do will ever overshadow that one monumentally hypocritical fuckup for me. I wonder how alone I am in that.
They were desperately trying (and failing) to defend a god awful television show and scraped the bottom of the barrel for cope. It was embarrassing and they'll never live it down.
The truth is, they have a massive chip on their shoulder about the prequels. That's not to say that the prequels are good or bad (I hate that tired argument), but they NEEDED Disney Star Wars to be better and when it wasn't it destroyed them.
 
The truth is, they have a massive chip on their shoulder about the prequels. That's not to say that the prequels are good or bad (I hate that tired argument), but they NEEDED Disney Star Wars to be better and when it wasn't it destroyed them.
I'm not sure why. It's not like the Disney sequels socking monkey dong magically made the prequels "better." Really it's just more material to poke fun at it, even if they were super-hyped that they'd be good. Hell, that makes it even funnier.
 
I'm not sure why. It's not like the Disney sequels socking monkey dong magically made the prequels "better." Really it's just more material to poke fun at it, even if they were super-hyped that they'd be good. Hell, that makes it even funnier.
As much as I loathe the argument that "the Plinkett reviews are why Disney Star Wars sucks so much," there is at least a kernel of truth to it when viewed in the light of why they've been so soft on them. Mike basically got everything he asked for out of the Disney movies: no boring political maneuvering, no stoic and robotic Jedi, more fluid camera work, adventure stories, Rebels vs. Empire, even JJ Abrams directing. Even if Disney didn't literally use the reviews as a checklist while making their movies, they still did respond to various criticisms that had been levied at the prequels, no matter how fair they were (the most obvious being how they advertised all the practical effects they were using, when George used quite a bit in the prequels too). Thus, if Mike were correct in his assessment, then the Disney movies should have been a slam dunk, thus validating his critique.

And then they came out, and then everyone realized that just because you're doing something a different way, doesn't necessarily mean you're doing it better, and that hack frauds will still make garbage even when they're trying to imitate good works. People were soft on TFA, even though it was a worse rehash of ANH, because they were hoping that Disney were simply use that as a way to reassure everyone that Star Wars was in good hands, and that they'd take things in a new direction later. They did, kind of, but then it just kept getting worse and worse, culminating in the absolute shitshow that was TROS. Now, Star Wars is a ruined brand that is still being headed by the retarded exec that put it in that state, with Lucasfilm reduced to creating forgettable streaming shows that exist solely to fill out Disney+ with content. No movies are being made despite close to a dozen being announced over the years, and a brand built on the toys it could sell now has barely any merch to speak of.

And yet, Mike can't bring himself to admit that maybe he was wrong, despite the proof being visible for everyone to see. He built his entire online reputation on skewering the prequels for their issues and essentially complaining that they weren't just the OT again. But when he was given what he said he wanted and it turned out to be even worse, he couldn't accept that he didn't have all the answers like he thought he did. Worse, people started to reappraise the prequels in a more favorable light as a result of Disney's mismanagement, effectively neutering his claim to fame as a bunch of pointless nitpicking. Thus, he kept his critiques of Disney to a minimum, unwilling to accept that anything could be worse than the movies he said were the worst things ever, doubling down any time people tried to get him to admit that the prequels weren't as bad.

Honestly, the prequels have their issues that probably should have been addressed in development, but they were clearly George's story that he wanted to tell. Disney produced nothing but memberberry slop that tore down everything that people loved about Star Wars. For someone that enjoys so-bad-it's-good movies, Mike is unwilling to admit in this case that an earnest failure is better than a cynical success, especially when the "failure" was rather successful and the "success" turned out shit in the long run.
 
I get that, but the prequels really were dog shit. The Plinkett reviews weren't just silly nitpicking -- they were funny, and very valid points were raised. Those points still exist even if Disney technically "addressed" them in their specific flavor of horse shit. I wouldn't say Mike was wrong, but that solely fixing the points he brought up wasn't enough to make a good Star Wars film.

I'm still astonished that anyone thought Disney could make a good piece of Star Wars media to begin with. They haven't made anything good for most of my life span, so it was insane that anyone thought they had a shot at doing anything meaningful with SW.
 
I'm still astonished that anyone thought Disney could make a good piece of Star Wars media to begin with. They haven't made anything good for most of my life span, so it was insane that anyone thought they had a shot at doing anything meaningful with SW.
When the sale happened in 2012, I thought Disney would get the Pirates of the Caribbean team to make some PG-13 technically competent schlock at the level of those movies. That would have been an upgrade from the prequels. Instead, Kathleen Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson shat out the garbage that we got. It was incomprehensible at that time that the Woke Religion would take over the nation.
 
They were desperately trying (and failing) to defend a god awful television show and scraped the bottom of the barrel for cope. It was embarrassing and they'll never live it down.
The truth is, they have a massive chip on their shoulder about the prequels. That's not to say that the prequels are good or bad (I hate that tired argument), but they NEEDED Disney Star Wars to be better and when it wasn't it destroyed them.

The desperate dick sucking during Force Awakens' premiere just kind of sour'd me on the guys, tbh. The Force Awakens was exceptionally mid. The fact that they didn't bother going in on it for being a retread of Episode IV with a new splash of paint and barely there forgettable characters that seemed written by committee was baffling to me. When it came out that the rest of the movies had virtually no plan or arc for the main story and no one knew what the fuck was going on, I look back on their middling praise, and I just shake my head at them for not seeing how dumb it all was. Was the dick sucking worth it, guys? Really?
 
This all stems from Mike reading way too much mainstream bullshit and becoming infected with scold culture as a result. With those retarded Acolyte comments, it was the "toxic star wars fans are mad again, go touch grass" pieces. He should stop reading those Hollywood media articles, as it’s obvious he doesn’t truly feel this way but somehow thinks he needs to present these opinions to be accepted. I preferred when they knew their show was just an internet thing and Rich could make whatever jokes he wanted to. I remember that Rich prank call where he did a Chinaman voice got many Redditors upset at the time.
 
They were desperately trying (and failing) to defend a god awful television show and scraped the bottom of the barrel for cope. It was embarrassing and they'll never live it down.
The truth is, they have a massive chip on their shoulder about the prequels. That's not to say that the prequels are good or bad (I hate that tired argument), but they NEEDED Disney Star Wars to be better and when it wasn't it destroyed them.
It wasn't just The Acolyte either. It was also them defending Obi-wan too that tanked their credibility. It's why I say EFAP does a better job than RLM these days, because they did nitpick those shows better and explained why they are bad. RLM failed to explain why they are better than the Prequels. The production values for those shows were worse, the lighting in fight scenes was worse, the choreography was worse, and the plots had bigger plotholes in them.

As Alex Jones said, "[The Prequels] make total sense." Making sense of the Disney Trilogy requires me to say that everyone hated the New Republic and all that the good guys fought for actually made the galaxy worse. "Lawless anarchy" as Krennic put it. Werner Herzog also said that life under the Empire was better than in post RotJ Disney Wars and in-universe, he is correct.

 
As oppressive as the Empire was to a lot of outer worlds in the former Republic, it was STILL a functioning government with a clear hierarchy. You knew who the Emperor was. You knew who Vader was. Hell, even some of Palpatine's generals were fairly well known.

Honestly, I don't think anyone really knew what the fuck was going on in the New Republic. Especially considering it's main driving force behind it was having marital problems, and her man just fucked off to the store for milk that one time and just never came back. Oh, and let's not forget about her brother becoming a murderous hobo because of a "vision".
 
As oppressive as the Empire was to a lot of outer worlds in the former Republic, it was STILL a functioning government with a clear hierarchy. You knew who the Emperor was. You knew who Vader was. Hell, even some of Palpatine's generals were fairly well known.

Honestly, I don't think anyone really knew what the fuck was going on in the New Republic. Especially considering it's main driving force behind it was having marital problems, and her man just fucked off to the store for milk that one time and just never came back. Oh, and let's not forget about her brother becoming a murderous hobo because of a "vision".
Filoni sucks objectively and all, but somehow manages to be better than JJ because we do see the state of post RotJ Star Wars. The New Republic is weak, incompetent, and likely to mind flay scientists for having wrongthink, but we at least see incompetently executed EU material. The sequel trilogy is $200 million exercises in WTF storytelling.
 
I swear to God, their entire legacy in my brain is going to be, "Jesus, they could have fed a lot of starving kids in Africa with all the money they waste on stupid shit" and I don't think anything they could ever do will ever overshadow that one monumentally hypocritical fuckup for me. I wonder how alone I am in that.

You are not alone. *sigh* My opinion of Rich stays intact for the meantime, at least.

This all stems from Mike reading way too much mainstream bullshit and becoming infected with scold culture as a result. With those retarded Acolyte comments, it was the "toxic star wars fans are mad again, go touch grass" pieces. He should stop reading those Hollywood media articles, as it’s obvious he doesn’t truly feel this way but somehow thinks he needs to present these opinions to be accepted. I preferred when they knew their show was just an internet thing and Rich could make whatever jokes he wanted to. I remember that Rich prank call where he did a Chinaman voice got many Redditors upset at the time.
Of course the redditors got mad. lol.

The redditors probably like Josh, too.
 
The redditors probably like Josh, too.
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It wasn't just The Acolyte either. It was also them defending Obi-wan too that tanked their credibility. It's why I say EFAP does a better job than RLM these days, because they did nitpick those shows better and explained why they are bad. RLM failed to explain why they are better than the Prequels. The production values for those shows were worse, the lighting in fight scenes was worse, the choreography was worse, and the plots had bigger plotholes in them.

As Alex Jones said, "[The Prequels] make total sense." Making sense of the Disney Trilogy requires me to say that everyone hated the New Republic and all that the good guys fought for actually made the galaxy worse. "Lawless anarchy" as Krennic put it. Werner Herzog also said that life under the Empire was better than in post RotJ Disney Wars and in-universe, he is correct.

Maybe Jones should transition from a humble water filter salesman into a YouTube movie reviewer. He's "Media Literate" as the kids say, has a boisterous, entertaining personality, and probably needs a new job with the legal troubles with Infowars and those bogus penalty payments from that Sandy Hook lawsuit. Alex Jones as a guest on BOTW when?

In other words, you never watched pre-rec. Turns out he needs an asshole abusing him to be funny, otherwise he just becomes a worse asshole.
Much like Star Wars, Rich Evans and RLM are saved in editing.

 
I did not watch Pre-Rec, and have actively avoided it because of the word of mouth, lol.
While I agree 99%, there was one Pre-Rec that was not only good but fucking excellent - one episode they roped Jay (who has never gamed in his fucking life) to play the Friday the 13th game. It's legitimately hilarious, his photographic knowledge of F13 lore and interest in it, combined with the fact they need to explain how directional buttons work on a controller make it the only Pre-Rec worth watching
 
While I agree 99%, there was one Pre-Rec that was not only good but fucking excellent - one episode they roped Jay (who has never gamed in his fucking life) to play the Friday the 13th game. It's legitimately hilarious, his photographic knowledge of F13 lore and interest in it, combined with the fact they need to explain how directional buttons work on a controller make it the only Pre-Rec worth watching
 
Another good Jay Plays one is Outlast. Watching him move around like a tank is kind of endearing. He also gets scared and compliments the horror game atmosphere as he goes along which is cool to hear because he's only a movie guy and really only know games from NES games. It's more interesting than 99% of all other let's plays at least, especially the regular pre rec streams which are only fun if you like two old men yelling at you and doing malicious compliance if you tell them they are playing the game wrong (they play the games wrong and then complain about them like DSP)

I wrote the last stuff up there before I got this video for the post and the first thing I hear is Rich complaining about Alien: Isolation. Yeah PreRec sucked ass for the most part.
Love this clip from it:
 
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