Careercow Elon Reeve Musk - Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter owner + ex-paypal CEO. Manchild, sexual deviant, spergy autist with access to space travel

[TruffleSpark]

One thing people fail to understand is that the entire US economy is in huge trouble if Spending gets within limits because of the system we have and not based on the logic of it. People forget that 1 Trillion spent by the government does not equal 1 trillion added to GDP, it adds about 5 Trillion.

As an example, if I buy a truck load of garbage bags I spend $1000 : That goes to GDP.
The company where I purchased it from purchased it from a wholesaler : $500 to GDP.
The other $500 goes to employees, drivers, the electric company, the city council for rates, etc: $300 GDP
The other $200 goes to profits for the shareholders or owners, they spend it: $200 towards GDP.
The wholesaler pays $250 to the factory: $250 to GDP.
The other $250 goes to shareholders,. They spend it on food, groceries and living: $250 to GDP.
The company that sells the groceries to the owners in the previous mentions then spends it: $200 to GDP.
Etc. etc.

It goes on and on. but by and large $100 pumped into the economy changes hands multiple times and at each step it is counted as GDP.

If the American government trims 1 Trillion in spending, it removes over 5 Trillion from GDP.

You can see where the US spending has ended dup by seeing where it ended up: In the hands of the ultra wealthy. If it does not move from their paws back into the economy, then the system breaks down. And it has been broken.

What I'm getting from this is that the US economy is functionally no different to that one episode of Beavis and Butthead where they keep selling each other the same chocolate bar over and over.

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

How do I post here?

Oh I know

:dieelon:

 

[Nabeshin]

Came here after Elon fit on twitter and can someone explains to me the Big Beautiful Bill of Trump? I'm not american so I don't have a lot of knowledge on it I tried to find a good explanation of it but they weren't that good, most of them we're shallow and one-sided only, so I wanted a better explanation for it.

When searching about it I saw that the bill will end a lot of green grants/subsidies and government spending on companies, so I imagine that this will fuck Tesla and maybe SpaceX hard

 

[James done did it]

Came here after Elon fit on twitter and can someone explains to me the Big Beautiful Bill of Trump? I'm not american so I don't have a lot of knowledge on it I tried to find a good explanation of it but they weren't that good, most of them we're shallow and one-sided only, so I wanted a better explanation for it.

When searching about it I saw that the bill will end a lot of green grants/subsidies and government spending on companies, so I imagine that this will fuck Tesla and maybe SpaceX hard

So basically, the USA has a two chamber legislature, the senate is the upper and the house is the lower. Both have to pass a law to send it to the president's desk but there's an arcane set of rules in the senate that effectively mean every bill to pass the senate needs a 3/5ths majority. The sole exception is the budget, which can be passed with a simple majority through the reconciliation process.

Because neither party has 3/5ths right now, the incentive is to load the budget bill with everything else the majority wants to get done because nothing else is gonna pass this year. The senate parliamentarian will look at provisions and toss ones out that are immaterial to the budgetary process. The "big beautiful bill" is basically 95% of the controversial or important stuff that will get done this year, and it also includes a bunch of "pork" which is US slang for district specific concessions used to bribe congressmen to vote for the bill, so they can go back to their constituents and argue it was a good deal despite the bad stuff because they got the hospital funded, for example.

(edited to correct, it is 3/5ths, not 2/3rds)

 

[AnOminous]

Both have to pass a law to send it to the president's desk but there's an arcane set of rules in the senate that effectively mean every bill to pass the senate needs a 2/3rds majority.

It's 3/5 or 60-40 if you mean the cloture vote to end a filibuster.

It's also now standard for nominations also to require only a majority after the invocation of the "nuclear option," which could conceivably be invoked against the current filibuster rules on everything else. There's nothing in the Constitution about the filibuster, it's just the Senate's own rules.

 

[The Hardest R]

I wonder if Elon coming out so hard against the bill is his start of trying to swing back to the left and recapture the glory days of when he was the rl Tony Stark and every piece of media was touting him as the genius savior of mankind. He probably thinks because it was so easy to swing right, he can swing back but he fails to realize people remember shit.

I just assume Elol is acting like a jilted lover. He has no principled stand against the bill, he’s just mad he can’t go up on stage and spaz out like he used to.

Came here after Elon fit on twitter and can someone explains to me the Big Beautiful Bill of Trump? I'm not american so I don't have a lot of knowledge on it I tried to find a good explanation of it but they weren't that good, most of them we're shallow and one-sided only, so I wanted a better explanation for it.

When searching about it I saw that the bill will end a lot of green grants/subsidies and government spending on companies, so I imagine that this will fuck Tesla and maybe SpaceX hard

So basically, the USA has a two chamber legislature, the senate is the upper and the house is the lower. Both have to pass a law to send it to the president's desk but there's an arcane set of rules in the senate that effectively mean every bill to pass the senate needs a 2/3rds majority. The sole exception is the budget, which can be passed with a simple majority through the reconciliation process.

Because neither party has 2/3rds right now, the incentive is to load the budget bill with everything else the majority wants to get done because nothing else is gonna pass this year. The senate parliamentarian will look at provisions and toss ones out that are immaterial to the budgetary process. The "big beautiful bill" is basically 95% of the controversial or important stuff that will get done this year, and it also includes a bunch of "pork" which is US slang for district specific concessions used to bribe congressmen to vote for the bill, so they can go back to their constituents and argue it was a good deal despite the bad stuff because they got the hospital funded, for example.

The BBB is a big fucking disaster but it only passed the House by one vote and it required Trump to get pissed off and lobby hard for it to pass. The Senate is going to be much more challenging.

During his first term, Trump tried passing a similar bill in 2018 but it failed. He tried “reforming” health care and John McCain killed it in 2018. I think he will struggle to get the BBB passed without major changes. A lot of the green projects are owned by massive equity funds and there’s no way in hell they’ll go away.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

The right only pretends to give a shit about the deficit when they aren't in charge.

He's only using the deficit to justify him suddenly being against it to try and weasel back into the good grace of the left

No, Elon has been a sperg about deficit spending for a while now. The far-right media he consumes screams about how dangerous the national debt is and how it needs to be reversed now.

Remember that Elon was super concerned about the gold in Fort Knox a few months ago. Another far-right talking point of needing to return to gold-backed currency.

 

[Popper Whiting]

I could pull up the post I did, but I won't, but I gave Elon 6 months or until the end of 2025 before the differences between Trump and Elon would prove too great. Which doesn't make me or anyone else Nostradamus but merely observant of the fact that both Trump and Elon eventually turn on their allies and declare them enemies eventually.

Elon's disgust at the bill doesn't make him a Lefty anymore than a Democrat owning a gun makes them a Righty. But I will be very curious to see if Elon has become a convert on National Debt and fights the fight.

One thing people fail to understand is that the entire US economy is in huge trouble if Spending gets within limits because of the system we have and not based on the logic of it. People forget that 1 Trillion spent by the government does not equal 1 trillion added to GDP, it adds about 5 Trillion.

As an example, if I buy a truck load of garbage bags I spend $1000 : That goes to GDP.
The company where I purchased it from purchased it from a wholesaler : $500 to GDP.
The other $500 goes to employees, drivers, the electric company, the city council for rates, etc: $300 GDP
The other $200 goes to profits for the shareholders or owners, they spend it: $200 towards GDP.
The wholesaler pays $250 to the factory: $250 to GDP.
The other $250 goes to shareholders,. They spend it on food, groceries and living: $250 to GDP.
The company that sells the groceries to the owners in the previous mentions then spends it: $200 to GDP.
Etc. etc.

It goes on and on. but by and large $100 pumped into the economy changes hands multiple times and at each step it is counted as GDP.

If the American government trims 1 Trillion in spending, it removes over 5 Trillion from GDP.

You can see where the US spending has ended dup by seeing where it ended up: In the hands of the ultra wealthy. If it does not move from their paws back into the economy, then the system breaks down. And it has been broken.

The health of an economy is not how much money the richest have but in the amount of money changing hands. If more people are comfortably spending then more people are making money to spend. Where the issues of deregulation and monpolies come in is that the money pools in one area which (as you pointed out) ends up with less money being made overall for everybody else (the people and the government).

An economy is like a river, with money as the water. If it ain't flowing it starts to stink and everything dies off.

 

[my penis is on fire]

>be Elon
>cofound PayPal
>attempt failed rebrand
>annoy the board so much that they kick you out
>buy Twitter
>attempt failed rebrand
>annoy the board and userbase so much that they kick you out
>get chummy with Trump
>create failed government agency
>annoy the White House so much that they kick you out then send a bill to Congress that would end EV tax credits and tax remittances to India
Asperger's Syndrome and its consequences

 

[Eventide]

He's also balls deep in a drug induced psychosis due to speedballing amphetamines and ketamine for so long, so who really knows. This junkie is so far gone he believes that there some evil shadowy force trying to destroy the world and only he can stop it. At this point the only difference between Elol and the homeless, rambling crackhead on the side of the road is their bank accounts.

Elon can move to Mars and build his own space colony, but even on another planet, he'll never escape the Benadryl hatman.

 

[SBG]

So basically, the USA has a two chamber legislature, the senate is the upper and the house is the lower. Both have to pass a law to send it to the president's desk but there's an arcane set of rules in the senate that effectively mean every bill to pass the senate needs a 3/5ths majority. The sole exception is the budget, which can be passed with a simple majority through the reconciliation process.

Because neither party has 3/5ths right now, the incentive is to load the budget bill with everything else the majority wants to get done because nothing else is gonna pass this year. The senate parliamentarian will look at provisions and toss ones out that are immaterial to the budgetary process. The "big beautiful bill" is basically 95% of the controversial or important stuff that will get done this year, and it also includes a bunch of "pork" which is US slang for district specific concessions used to bribe congressmen to vote for the bill, so they can go back to their constituents and argue it was a good deal despite the bad stuff because they got the hospital funded, for example.

(edited to correct, it is 3/5ths, not 2/3rds)

For an example of how they're stuffing it with anything, they also wanted to reimburse Texas for the billions they chose to spend on border barriers, the bussing of migrants to other states and other such stuff.

https://thetexan.news/issues/immigration-border-issues/u-s-house-passes-one-big-beautiful-bill-with-12-billion-texas-border-wall-reimbursement/article_9fcabb1e-4d01-43b7-bee5-5ef6f7c8d157.html

U.S. House Passes ‘One, Big, Beautiful Bill’ With $12 Billion Texas Border Wall Reimbursement​

They pretty much were handing everyone something to ensure they got the votes to push the bill through even if it resulted in all kinds of problems. This ends up making Elon look worse because his whole thing with DOGE was to cut waste and then the Republicans are just turning around and adding as much as humanly possible since they're unlikely to keep the House in the midterms, making this the last major legislation they're likely to get passed under Trump.

Edit:
Trump is breaking up with Elon.

 

[Fox Girl Enjoyer]

No, Elon has been a sperg about deficit spending for a while now. The far-right media he consumes screams about how dangerous the national debt is and how it needs to be reversed now.

Remember that Elon was super concerned about the gold in Fort Knox a few months ago. Another far-right talking point of needing to return to gold-backed currency.

Elon is right to be worried about the debt but like most folks on the right, he doesn't get it. Even with DOGE, he never targeted Medicare and the Military which are some of where most of the issues lie. Cutting USAID, while good for killing tranny research, meant nothing to the overall budget. Also, too many people think we can just cut spending (Bessent included) but if we are serious, we have to raise taxes, especially on corporations who pay basically nothing. Trump doesn't want to do it since all his friends are rich and they want low taxes. This will happen eventually as countries want to get paid.

Taxes will go in every developed country soon as to much wealth is accumulating upward and almost every country has too much debt. Sorry Bezos, you can't buy that third yacht.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

>be Elon
>cofound PayPal
>attempt failed rebrand
>annoy the board so much that they kick you out
>buy Twitter
>attempt failed rebrand
>annoy the board and userbase so much that they kick you out
>get chummy with Trump
>create failed government agency
>annoy the White House so much that they kick you out then send a bill to Congress that would end EV tax credits and tax remittances to India
Asperger's Syndrome and its consequences

You forgot the part where he backstabs Trump like an absolute dickhead bitch two days after he gives him the key to the White House.

 

[W@rui]

This is an on-topic thread about Elon Musk, which means that the no white knighting rule applies. It also means this is not a political debate thread. Politics can't really be avoided in this instance, but be mindful that as a global feature, thousands of people will read the posts in this thread. If you get into a spergy slapfight about something, just say what you have to say and wrap that shit up in one or two posts.

Also, this is one of the few libtard strongholds on the forum, so just deal with it.

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[The Gene Genie]

So what did Elon actually get out of all this? Seems to me he got the greatest data harvest seat in history and he is sitting pretty. Data is everything and he has a bucket of it now - about all of us.

He facilitated the implementation of Palantir and other AI products into the Government and managed to get the regulators off his back for another four years. I'm guessing he was under the impression DOGE was more than just Peter Thiel's vehicle to put his proprietary AI technology into every Government department, though.

 

[potato sack]

hell yea elol beefing with the president this gonna get good

a cow that milks itself is always a welcome sight

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

This might get ugly

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[W@rui]

Tesla stock down 8%

 

[neger psykolog]

This might get ugly

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Hell yeah this is what I'm here for a gay slapfight between an orange faggot and a rocket faggot!

 

[Dan Abrams]

let’s assume for a minute that Elon is telling the truth. If he wasn’t an autistic retard he woulda known that he was going to get used for his money and discarded even if he wasn’t annoying the shit out of everyone in the White House.

More likely, he thought with his money he actually did own the government and is just having a temper tantrum because he didn’t get what he wants. Maybe with this faggot gone there will be less simping for stinky imported Indian labor.