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Who are you rooting for in Super Bowl 59?

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Drama Fan said:
3/32 NFL teams are gay this year.
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The sheer fact that the Seahawks haven't is a sign that one should probably wait until business closes tomorrow to make the call as to who rainbow'd their logo.
blahblahblah678 said:
The Packers are faggots for completely different reasons.
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*Thick La Crosse Accent* "I tooold ya tree times now Reggie, dey named it for a meat packin' company, not fudge packin'!"
 
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Alright Ive finally stopped weeping to give my thoughts on the retirement of the All-Pro Center for the Detroit lions, Frank Ragnow's retirement. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

Thank god we drafted Tate Ratledge. I knew Frank was thinking about retirement last year but I figured he'd be able to stick it out until the Lions won the Superbowl. If his career weren't so short he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer for sure.
 
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tld;dr - Boring talk about cash over cap. The Eagles charge the credit card as soon as they can with significant guaranteed money to keep the purchase price down. They trust the spending limit on the card is going to go up before the bill comes due. Goodell is asshurt over it.

Goodell's comments on the cap are bit old and won't come to fruition for a while, but I didn't see any discussion about them. After failing to stop the Brotherly Shove, lol get rekt fagit, he's now set his sights on so called "void years" during the next CBA negotiation specifically calling out the Eagles for the way they structure their contracts. I am by no means a cap nerd, but I've tried to understand it better these past couple seasons. Cap manipulation being discussed more often was the driving force. I found out the discussion is very dumbed down and often only tells part of the story.

So, how can the Eagles do what they're doing? The credit card is going to come due! Look at the Saints! While everyone has been talking about The Cap, very few are talking about The Cash and it's more important to the way the Eagles do business. The first big reason the Eagles can operate the way they do is they're drafting top talent on defense and are able to keep that side of the ball cheap for now. The second is they have an owner who is willing to spend cash and spend it early to get guys locked up.

Jeffery Lurie spends that cash by Howie structuring big contracts and extensions through signing bonuses and option bonuses. There are many ways NFL contracts get paid out (ie base salary, incentives, roster bonus, etc), the trick with signing bonuses and option bonuses is that their cap hit can be amortized over the length of the contract (up to five years) which includes "void years". They're years in which some portion of those bonuses are being still counting against the salary cap without new money getting paid out.

Not every owner is willing or able to do that. Does it go against their business philosophy? Are they a poor billionaire without the fluid cash to do it? Do they trust their evaluations in that the player is going to be to perform the length of the contract? Are they just cheap fucks? There is a reason why Lurie sold an 8% share of the team for $650M and it isn't just to cover the estate tax when he croaks.

The thing about the credit card analogy most talking heads don't get into is that the spending limit on that credit card is always going up, baring covid and even then the rebound in 2022 was huge. The Eagles charge the credit card as soon as they can with significant guaranteed money to keep the purchase price down. They trust the spending limit on the card is going to go up before the bill comes due.

There is a reason why all these big Eagles contracts go out to 2029. The NFL has an out to renegotiate their media rights deal in 2028. It's going to be even more astronomical than the last one. The estimated the cap increase for the 2029 season is as high as 30%. The Eagles roster isn't just Howie Roseman cap wizardry. It's the culmination of an organization philosophy which takes multiple departments in the front office as well as the players on the field to succeed.
 
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If I am reading it right, that means the Eagles are getting an advantage because Lurie has cash on hand and is willing to use it. I think there is a good argument that such a tactic goes directly against the spirit of the salary cap. It's pretty much exactly what the cap exists to remove from the game.
 
Hunter Hearst Helmsley said:
If I am reading it right, that means the Eagles are getting an advantage because Lurie has cash on hand and is willing to use it. I think there is a good argument that such a tactic goes directly against the spirit of the salary cap. It's pretty much exactly what the cap exists to remove from the game.
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The Eagles are far from the only ones doing the void years thing, they're just the most successful ones at doing it and do it the most. The biggest difference between Lurie and other owners is that he places a higher onus on the Eagles being a winning organization than a business.

Take a look at the Cowboys. They are worth billions more than the Eagles. Jerry Jones makes $560M per game. That's double the next closest team and 10x the 32nd team. He was willing to spend all-star money to buy Super Bowls before the salary cap. The Cowboys have been irrelevant ever since he stopped caring about winning.

I can see the point of view that it goes against the spirit of the salary cap to a degree. My counterpoint to that is the value of teams these days. Even the lowest valued teams are worth billions. Owners can sell minority stakes like Lurie. The Browns, Jags, and Saints are 3rd, 4th, and 5th when is comes to void money and rank like 20th-26th in team valuations with pedestrian earnings per game.

Some teams like Bungals are poorly exploited from a business perspective. They practiced under a fucking bridge during winter off the Great Lakes until recently because the Brown family are cheap fucks. They refused to get a sponsor to put up an indoor bubble that D1 high school teams in Texas have until Burrow took them to a Super Bowl.

I won't be particularly sad to see void years go as I do think it's an exploit, but it's an exploit everyone can use. Once again people are mad because nobody can do it as well as the Eagles.

Edit. It also completely goes off the rails if you can't draft worth shit and the players don't live up to the contracts. Talent evaluation is vital.
 
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Drama Fan said:
3/32 NFL teams are gay this year.
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I haven't looked, but I see no way the Patriots, Giants, Jets, Commies, 49ers, etc. don't also join the fun at some point.
 
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I haven't looked, but I see no way the Patriots, Giants, Jets, Commies, 49ers, etc. don't also join the fun at some point.
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Seahawks are in on it too, though this is the only recognition of Pride in any way, which is surprising. Social media team is doing an All-Time Top 50 Seahawks thing this week instead.
I know corpo offices nationwide were spooked after the 2024 elections and how much troon fatigue started tainting any association with the Rainbow Mafia, but the reserved attitude is so common across the NFL I legit wonder if there was a missive that went out after the owners' meeting this year.
 
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Zaryiu2 said:
Garish but maybe it's the motion of the Buffalo that makes it not the worst example of the sort?
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Absolutego said:
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Seahawks are in on it too, though this is the only recognition of Pride in any way, which is surprising. Social media team is doing an All-Time Top 50 Seahawks thing this week instead.
I know corpo offices nationwide were spooked after the 2024 elections and how much troon fatigue started tainting any association with the Rainbow Mafia, but the reserved attitude is so common across the NFL I legit wonder if there was a missive that went out after the owners' meeting this year.
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You know... I can take it, I meant yeah it's empty pandering but it seems to me like maybe things might be changing even in the slightest seeing that.
I want to believe
 
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xX Puss Slayer Xx said:
man look at this top 10, philly and SF and then a who's who of terrible franchises

1. PHI (duh): $390.4M
2. SF: $204.1M
3. CLE: $187.5M
4. NO: $112.1M
5. JAX:$106.55M
6. NYJ: $87.6M
7. MIA: $70.6M
8. DAL: $62.755M
9. TB: $56.1M
10. DET: $52.1M
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Two ways to burn cash:

Lock in contracts early and long on proven talent like Brown, Smitty, Saquon, etc.

Shovel money to absolute bums like Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence while missing year after year in the draft on both sides of the ball, without any money to keep anyone half-way decent you have left on your roster.
 
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Oh god, the Steelers are absolutely boned now. There goes the 9-8 winning seasons that Tomlin loves so much, but honestly, good riddance, signing this washed up controversy machine deserves you to lose games. (Although him saying that men shouldn't be in women's sports is cool, the rest of his ego-stroking personality isn't)
 
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