Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[AnOminous]

I know this is getting off on a bit of a tangent. But, The Clerk of Court, are they usually a lawyer, paralegal, etc... or just an administrator with tons of experience?

Very often they're a J.D. You can't actually practice law in such a position, so often their licenses go dormant.

I'll just note that if you even go to the court site, this guy is listed right after the Chief Judge (and in federal courts generally the Clerk of Court is chosen by all of the judges so if you piss this guy off all of the judges will know it).

https://www.utd.uscourts.gov/contact

So retards like Greer may see a word like "Clerk of Court" and think oh this is just some servitor being. Big mistake.

This dumbass, with his retarded subpoena, managed to waste the time of the Magistrate, the actual District Court Judge, AND the Clerk of Court with one weird trick.

I'm getting slightly optimistic because while these idiot pro se suits can drag on for years, as they have, with judges ignoring them for months at a time, once you start annoying EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the court with your slurping and drooling, EVERY SINGLE DAY, they do eventually get tired of it.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Seven hundred and twenty fucking dollars just for this latest little sleight of hand.

I'm 50/50 on whether Greeee files a "I'm fucking glad it cost Null $720 and I ain't paying shit"

fuck it I'll be the naughty boy and help out greee, he can use this as his filing

 

[John Andrews Stan]

A shift during shit hours that most people don't want to work is probably one of the few jobs he could get.

A lot of out of shape dudes work overnights as security guards in places where they are unlikely to ever need to get in a physical confrontation. This is a weirdly popular job for social outcasts who don’t feel confident about being out in the world during daylight hours. They just sit there and watch shit on their phones or read books.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

"I'm a fucking retard that can't ever figure out how to serve anybody, so if you stay discovery, I'll just issue a subpoena." Christ.

My god it's another example of Greee saying something, and since he didn't immediately get his penis slapped in exactly the same words, he assumes he can do it. What a fucking retard.

Also it took him, what, almost a fucking month to shit out one subpoena? Isn't there something more important he's supposed to be doing around discovery? The only exception the stay, perhaps?

 

[AnOminous]

A lot of out of shape dudes work overnights as security guards in places where they are unlikely to ever need to get in a physical confrontation. This is a weirdly popular job for social outcasts who don’t feel confident about being out in the world during daylight hours. They just sit there and watch shit on their phones or read books.

Quit doxing me bitch.

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Post in thread 'Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)'

Jun 6, 2025

He obviously constructs imaginary castles whorehouses in the air to justify his past actions (this whole fucking thing is about a literal book he wrote to do so) but I think he believes in them - and since he needed it to be true that the stay didn't affect inquiring from Null about the Does, he believed it to be so.

Since I am retarded, I had to go back and re-read the transcript again to see if there was something we were all missing. It's actually even better than I remembered.

First, the judge clearly spells it out from the very beginning, literally the very first...

• FatMan

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So if I'm reading and remembering all this right basically what happened is the judge told Hardin that a subpoena to Null was not off the table because when Greer signed on to having no witnesses that didn't necessarily mean not someone as obvious as Null. Greer takes that victory and assumes it means that he is free to go ahead and discover right now, even though the judge was pretty clear that everything was stayed besides the fucking restraining order application which Greer has still not produced. But then Greer outright said he was going to do this and the judge said "fair enough" instead of, "No you won't, asshole!" so again it's not just Greer to blame here but also the fuckstick oblivious judge barely paying attention to anything going on around him as the taxpayer and legal defense fund and Greer brothel fund money bonfire this case is keeps burning. Here's my sanctions proposal: Make the judge pay half the bill for this one.

 

[Drunkensailor]

Just let him explain.
Clerks never seem to do anything correctly.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Rusty has specifically said to the court that he has at least $5000 in his account earmarked for his brothel crusade.

When Hardin is awarded the entire hooker fund, he needs to tag Russell in a facebook post of him holding a wad of cash labelled "WOOHOO! I'm gonna spend my winnings all on (legal) hookers. Ooh la la! "

 

[GloriousScarf]

Not content with all the recent fuck ups, he decides to lie to the clerk about what the judge said about staying discovery to get a subpoena. That's definitely a move.

This man brought me to the farms 8 years ago and he truly is a gift that keeps giving.

 

[goblin enby]

So if I'm reading and remembering all this right basically what happened is the judge told Hardin that a subpoena to Null was not off the table because when Greer signed on to having no witnesses that didn't necessarily mean not someone as obvious as Null. Greer takes that victory and assumes it means that he is free to go ahead and discover right now, even though the judge was pretty clear that everything was stayed besides the fucking restraining order application which Greer has still not produced. But then Greer outright said he was going to do this and the judge said "fair enough" instead of, "No you won't, asshole!" so again it's not just Greer to blame here but also the fuckstick oblivious judge barely paying attention to anything going on around him as the taxpayer and legal defense fund and Greer brothel fund money bonfire this case is keeps burning. Here's my sanctions proposal: Make the judge pay half the bill for this one.

The judge probably said that because he had no idea what words had just come out of Greee's mouth. In any case it was followed up by a written order that was very clear (paragraph 3 being about producing the RO):

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

In any case it was followed up by a written order that was very clear (paragraph 3 being about producing the RO)

Greee excusably neglected to check his emails a month ago, so he wasn't fully cognizant of the order.

The subpoena was never actually served though. No harm, no foul.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

So if I'm reading and remembering all this right basically what happened is the judge told Hardin that a subpoena to Null was not off the table because when Greer signed on to having no witnesses that didn't necessarily mean not someone as obvious as Null. Greer takes that victory and assumes it means that he is free to go ahead and discover right now, even though the judge was pretty clear that everything was stayed besides the fucking restraining order application which Greer has still not produced. But then Greer outright said he was going to do this and the judge said "fair enough" instead of, "No you won't, asshole!" so again it's not just Greer to blame here but also the fuckstick oblivious judge barely paying attention to anything going on around him as the taxpayer and legal defense fund and Greer brothel fund money bonfire this case is keeps burning. Here's my sanctions proposal: Make the judge pay half the bill for this one.

I have no clue about law stuff, but reading the transcription back it is a bit unclear as to what Russ isn’t allowed to be doing (if you’re Russ, anyway). Only because Russ is a retard who either didn’t pay attention in paralegal school, or his school was shit. Russ was told something shouldn’t happen. He said he was going to do the thing anyway. The judge ignored that statement and went on talking about how the thing that shouldn’t happen shouldn’t happen.

The judge needs to remember he’s dealing with an idiot here. A cunning idiot, but still an idiot. The judge can’t just try to redirect Russ to what he wants to happen. Maybe that’s standard polite courtroom talk or even just an attempt at positive redirection, but it won’t work with a dullard like Russ. The judge has to tell Russ ‘no’ when the idiot comes out with something the judge doesn’t want him to do. Sure, it might sound like he’s reprimanding a child, but it’s the only way to even attempt to get the point across. Russ will undoubtedly ignore it, but at least then there’s a clear direction for Russ NOT to do the thing that he’s since gone ahead and done anyway.

I can’t decide if the judge is doing standard court stuff without thinking (and Russ doesn’t get it), if he’s tard guarding and not wanting to pull Russ up for not listening, or if he’s allowing Russ to fuck up of his own accord. I’m assuming the first option, but it’s really not the smartest way to deal with an idiot like Greee. Unless he enjoys his desk piling up with pointless shit. Judges shouldn’t have to babysit tantrumming idiots, though, I get that.

Hey, silver lining though, Kiwis. Here’s the absolute proof that Russ is incapable of ever working as a paralegal, despite the college certificate. No ‘state of grace’ for poor Russ

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I can’t decide if the judge is doing standard court stuff without thinking (and Russ doesn’t get it), if he’s tard guarding and not wanting to pull Russ up for not listening, or if he’s allowing Russ to fuck up of his own accord.

I read it as the Judge saying "STAY until this motion" and Greee says "I'll subpoena" and the judge thinks "Fair enough, after the stay is over you can subpoena Null, that makes sense even with the agreement on calling witlesses".

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

The judge didn't explicitly forbid Russtard from issuing the subpoena, but it was implied it was forbidden temporarily on the basis that with the exception of the elusive RO application, discovery is stayed pending a decision on Mr Hardin's motion to dismiss.

Now, this does require somebody to have to cognitive capacity to understand that issuing subpoenas to your opposition is an activity that you would undertake during discovery. Russ' extensive paralegal training has unfortunately not allowed him to parse such matters.

For Russtard, it needs to be explained in terms he can understand: You are permitted to have you your penis sucked, but only once you escape the cuck cage.

You your penis = Desired information
Hooker fellatio = Issuance and service of subpoena
Cuck cage = Discovery stay

 

[FatMan]

So if I'm reading and remembering all this right basically what happened is the judge told Hardin that a subpoena to Null was not off the table because when Greer signed on to having no witnesses that didn't necessarily mean not someone as obvious as Null. Greer takes that victory and assumes it means that he is free to go ahead and discover right now, even though the judge was pretty clear that everything was stayed besides the fucking restraining order application which Greer has still not produced. But then Greer outright said he was going to do this and the judge said "fair enough" instead of, "No you won't, asshole!" so again it's not just Greer to blame here but also the fuckstick oblivious judge barely paying attention to anything going on around him as the taxpayer and legal defense fund and Greer brothel fund money bonfire this case is keeps burning. Here's my sanctions proposal: Make the judge pay half the bill for this one.

That's one way to look at it, but I think it's more that greeeee had already been told twice what was going on when he babbled off about being a dumb retard that doesn't know how to serve anyone. The judge, not being able to give the dumbass any legal advice, just ignored the stupid statement and reiterated that discovery is stayed. Then he spelled it out even clearer in the final summary. He pretty much had to do it that way, because even just saying "listen here numbnuts, you aren't going to it do that way" could be construed as him giving out advice.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

I read it as the Judge saying "STAY until this motion" and Greee says "I'll subpoena" and the judge thinks "Fair enough, after the stay is over you can subpoena Null, that makes sense even with the agreement on calling witlesses".

I'm absolutely certain Greee's stance will be "Daddy Judge said Fair Enough, that meant he was giving me permission."

Sorry, I mean "excusable neglect." "No ya honah I'm just a poh poh wetard, ya'll can't punish me for this, it's only the 16th time I've tried something similar across these 5+ years. 'Sides, your bosses at the 10th said I won."

 

[and six goriilion others]

. But then Greer outright said he was going to do this and the judge said "fair enough" instead of, "No you won't, asshole!"

Transcript was posted in this post, Greer's subpoena threat is on page 26. It seems the Magistrate never directly responded to that, Hardin interjected first about how those two people should've been on the witness list but weren't. Then Hardin and the court seem to agree that you can add parties, and to stay discovery until the motion to dismiss is adjudicated.
Audio was subtitled and color coded in this post, Greer starts responding at 33:23. Hardin's interjection to me doesn't seem to cut anybody off. It's not like the Magistrate wanted to inform Greer he's retarded and couldn't. The Magistrate just didn't.
Important to note, Greer specifically says he does not oppose a stay. He just expressly threatens to do discovery if discovery is stayed?? I guess it was just so mind boggling nobody realized, or maybe everybody thought he was talking about some other mechanism which I don't expect anybody here to explain.

 

[Swole McPole]

Hey, silver lining though, Kiwis. Here’s the absolute proof that Russ is incapable of ever working as a paralegal, despite the college certificate. No ‘state of grace’ for poor Rus

Can you imagine being this dumb sap's employer if he actually WAS a paralegal?

"The judge explicitly says he's staying discovery. He says it multiple times. What in fuck's name made you think it was OK to issue a subpoena?"

"Buh.. buh I said to the judge that I was gonna issue a subpoena to find out who the John Does are!"

"Fuck you, shitlips. What does the order say? Why can't you read a simple order! This is what we get for employing retards. You're too dumb to work as an office cleaner, never mind a paralegal."

"What do you say to a date? My looks might be a 4 but my personality is an 8?"

"I say this: get your things. You're fired."

 

[Pee Cola]

Time for another poll?

How much will Null be awarded in sanctions against Greee pursuant to ECF 330?

- $720, being the full amount claimed viz. 2.4 hours of Matthew Hardin's time @ $300 per hour
- Greater than $0 but less than $720 viz. some BS amount Judge Barlow pulled out of his ass as per ECF 230
- $0

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Then Hardin and the court seem to agree that you can add parties, and to stay discovery until the motion to dismiss is adjudicated.

Well, the judge just tells him he thinks he's wrong, and drops the flyswatting line, Hardin doesn't totally back down but they agree it's not relevant at the moment because they are discussing the stay not potential sanctions. So Greer doesn't realize that Hardin had kind of changed the subject and isn't objecting to sending the subpoena under the stay but is instead talking about more sanctions for not disclosing the witnesses Greer wanted to add.

Greer has:

(1) Misinterpreted Hardin's argument as a direct reply to his.
(2) Misinterpreted the judge's skepticism of Hardin's sanction argument as approval for the subpoena under the stay.
(3) Failed to notice that even if they were talking about the point he thought they were, the judge didn't actually say anything definitive on the subject one way or the other.
(4) Failed to notice the multiple times the judge was completely clear that ALL discovery was stayed besides the restraining order thing.
(5) Spent the entire hearing sending hooker related emails.

Or else he just thinks the judge is a pussy who won't enforce his own stay. I was too harsh on the judge before, but still how long can we keep doing this? Greer is either incompetent to represent himself or is malicious. There are no other possible conclusions at this point.

THE COURT: ...So the fact that Joshua Moon has discoverable information, and it is not -- it is not in Mr. Greer's initial disclosures is of no moment he is the named defendant, and he is -- it's obvious given your disclosures, I am sure, about who has relevant information. So the fact they don't appear in Mr. Greer's is not some further evidence of malfeasance here.


Rule 26(e) does not require this, kind of, hyper-technical flyspecking of initial disclosures in terms of -- to turn it into a sanction. Am I missing something here? You are on mute there, sir.


MR. HARDIN: Sorry about that. I think at the moment, Your Honor, you're not missing anything because this is only a Motion to Stay Discovery. I think you will likely see a renewed motion based on things that were stated orally in court today and we can address it at that point. I think there's problems here, but we don't need to address them in the context of the motions today.


THE COURT: Fair enough. So Mr. Greer does not seem to be opposed to a motion -- the Motion to Stay, so the Court is going to go ahead and grant that Motion to Stay until the Motions to Dismiss are decided here.