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Should be a wild four years.

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So he's technically old money
I don't know why you guys keep saying this wrt to Musk and Trump - it's completely wrong. Second generation money (Musk) and third generation money (Trump) isn't old money. Old money goes back multiple generations; old money considers the Musks and Trumps of this world parvenus, nouveau riche, etc. In the mid-80s - the yuppie years - Trump was derided in the NYC press as a vulgarian - not an epithet you'd direct at old money.
 
I don't know why you guys keep saying this wrt to Musk and Trump - it's completely wrong. Second generation money (Musk) and third generation money (Trump) isn't old money. Old money goes back multiple generations; old money considers the Musks and Trumps of this world parvenus, nouveau riche, etc. In the mid-80s - the yuppie years - Trump was derided in the NYC press as a vulgarian - not an epithet you'd direct at old money.
Old money is always relative the trump family might qualify for old money by now compared to recent tech mogals but he certainly isn’t old money compared to Rothschilds or rockafellers (who were also new money at somepoint).
It’s like 4 chan generations calling eachother new fags despite being on the site only a year longer then the new fag.
Edit 1: or it’s just an extension of royalty/ nobility culture just adapted to fit a post monarchy society.
 
Old money is always relative
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I'm also saying that nobody with an ounce of sense considers Trump and/or Musk to be old money. The fortunes were made too recently. Trump since he first made a name for himself has been considered an upstart, and Musk even worse. Just as there's nothing wrong with new money, there's no sense in describing Trump and/or Musk as something they manifestly aren't.
 
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I'm also saying that nobody with an ounce of sense considers Trump and/or Musk to be old money. The fortunes were made too recently. Trump since he first made a name for himself has been considered an upstart, and Musk even worse. Just as there's nothing wrong with new money, there's no sense in describing Trump and/or Musk as something they manifestly aren't.
Donnie is the third gen of the trump dynasty his father really secured the family wealth with some help from his own dead father’s business and wealth, trumps kids at this point would be the 4th gen and if they have kids they allready have a 5th gen. the trump is new money is literally 80/90s thinking it’s been 40 years ,his family’s wealth line is atleast a century old at this point the family is old money even if Donnie wasn’t considered as such when he was young his grandkids certainly will qualify if their wealth doesn’t get nuked from orbit by spiteful politicians in the next decade.
 
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RINOs exist. But explain to eurochud are Republican and Conservative synonyms in US?
They're often used interchangeably, but they're not actually synonymous. It's done to speak generally or out of ignorance. Someone can be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, voting Republican, but that doesn't make them conservatives.
 
They're often used interchangeably, but they're not actually synonymous. It's done to speak generally or out of ignorance. Someone can be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, voting Republican, but that doesn't make them conservatives.
What about socially conservative and economically left wing? Like wants less immigration, opposes gay marriage and abortion, but supports universal healthcare and higher minimum wages.
 
What about socially conservative and economically left wing? Like wants less immigration, opposes gay marriage and abortion, but supports universal healthcare and higher minimum wages.
Well that one Eurochud knows. It is populist and called extreme right or something.

*It does sound little like nationalistic socialism... so I approve the extreme right tag and embrace it.
 
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RINOs exist. But explain to eurochud are Republican and Conservative synonyms in US?
They are synonyms in a way that some words losely mean the same thing but the context of the words and their origins are vastly different. For example if you said someone was a republican most people would assume they are a conservative or vice versa but republicans are actually a spectrum of right wing ideas that while largely are conservative do include some libertarians (non derogative) and some other minor factions like neo cons and religious right movements. Meanwhile conservative largely refers to a moderately traditionalist social mindset and a more frugal take on economics theory relating to government

Minor addendum to this is that the American far right is ill defined due to leftists overuse of the word but there are clear far right groups. Such examples like white separatists or ethno nationalists, extreme religious groups like traditionalist churches like the old laterday saints or other Demi-cults, and lastly alternative right movements which reject republicans as too liberal and seek either to supplant them with populist movements or to destroy the system to gain power (thankfully much rarer then the former).
 
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What about socially conservative and economically left wing? Like wants less immigration, opposes gay marriage and abortion, but supports universal healthcare and higher minimum wages.
It's a little complicated because times change, political winds shift and it's a 2-party system, but I think nowadays that'd still be considered conservative, whereas I'm not sure that'd have been quite so true under Bush.
 
What about socially conservative and economically left wing? Like wants less immigration, opposes gay marriage and abortion, but supports universal healthcare and higher minimum wages.
Well because we’re assuming this person doesn’t join/start his own party, depending on the current policy he might actually have been a democrat back when blue dog democrats or DINOs still were a part of the democrats big tent plan. Now adays they are firmly republicans if they arnt just an independent voter.
 
I recall there being a decent amount of sentiment in this thread around election time that Elon Musk was never really a part of MAGA, and that he latched on to serve his own self-interests especially regarding H1Bs. Kudos to those posters, their judgements were on the money given the events of today.

I don't think it's possible to see Elon as anything other than a lolcow after today. There's no reason to trust him, every lie is so thinly veiled that the only discernable truth to what he says is that he's upset. He only damages his own credibility by proclaiming that Trump is on the Epstein list, and it only makes him look insincere in everything he does when he spews random bullshit in tard rage. He seems arrogant enough to think that he's some sort of genius mastermind as well, as if anything he said makes him look good and he can fool the masses when everyone other than a few brownnosers can tell that he's full of shit and willing to betray anyone at a moment's notice.

BPD Whore is what I'd consider a good classification for the type of lolcow he's shown himself to be.
 
Trump administration ends TSA’s ‘Quiet Skies’ program used to surveil Americans
Straight Arrow News (archive.ph)
By Evan Hummel and Kalé Carey
6 Jun 2025 02:09:07 UTC

Full story​

The Trump administration confirmed a report on Thursday, June 5, that it is shuttering the Quiet Skies program, which was used to secretly surveil Americans who were deemed potential national security threats. The administration’s intent to end the program was first reported by CBS News on Wednesday, June 4, just a day before Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem made the official announcement on X.

Noem said that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) “is ending the Quiet Skies Program, which since its existence has failed to stop a SINGLE terrorist attack while costing US taxpayers roughly $200 million a year.”

Noem’s rationale​

Noem argued that the Biden administration weaponized the program against political opponents “under the guise of national security.” She also vowed to launch an internal investigation into Quiet Skies and requested Congress also look into “corruption” within the program.

Noem said that the TSA will continue to be present at airports and perform its normal security duties, including REAL ID checks, a new rule implemented on May 7.

“The Trump administration will return the TSA to its true mission of being laser-focused on the safety and security of the traveling public,” she said. “This includes restoring the integrity, privacy and equal application of the law for all Americans.”

Previous criticism​

Quiet Skies has drawn criticism from some within the Trump administration, including U.S. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, who was on the Quiet Skies list, according to TSA whistleblowers, as reported by Straight Arrow News in August 2024. Gabbard, at the time, announced legal action against the Biden administration, saying she believed the administration targeted her because of her outspoken views on Ukraine.

Democrats also targeted under Quiet Skies​

The agency never officially confirmed or declined Gabbard’s inclusion on the Quiet Skies list. The TSA was also reportedly using the program to monitor people in Washington at the time of the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol riots. Some U.S. citizens have had to undergo an extensive process to have their names removed from the list.

CBS News also reported on Tuesday, June 3, that the husband of Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., was on the Quiet Skies watchlist in 2023. However, shortly after Shaheen spoke with the TSA’s director under former President Joe Biden, her husband was removed from the list. A spokesperson for Shaheen said she previously had no knowledge her husband, William Shaheen, was tracked by the Quiet Skies program.

The Trump administration has not disclosed whether staff involved in the Quiet Skies program will be reassigned or if their positions will be eliminated.

Lawrence Banton (Digital Producer) and Bast Bramhall (Video Editor) contributed to this report.
 
The problem is, most of Republican Congress is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If they vote for Trump's bill, Elon will support their enemies. But if they vote against it, Trump will come after them.

Trump has the legal power, Elon has the war chest to support rival candidates.

So they're fucked if they do, fucked if they don't.

Meanwhile, the liberals, RINOs, and anti-Trumpers are just sitting in a corner, laughing their asses off. They have no skin in the game, and would be more than happy to watch these two sides kill each other.
 
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