Lolcow Andrew Peter Carlson / Anaiah Carlson / Tamarlover / Xtamarlover - Jewish/Christian Wannabe Cult Leader, Stalker, Ugly af, dogfucker, mayor of spitsville

@tamarlover you praised the uses and virtues of manipulation but also claimed you are not a liar. Doesn't manipulation most of the time involves lying or conscious omission? Also you mentioned "the next life". Reincarnation isn't a typical christian belief, can you tell us exactly what you believe concerning this? When would people stop reincarnating and go to hell? If you know about it how do you feel about the DMT/egg theory?

In my understanding, deception is not always lying. Deceive: "To trick or mislead." lie: "To give false information intentionally."

I believe you can trick and mislead people with truth. I'll give an example. When I was pretending to be someone named Gregory to befriend her, some people noticed my style of speaking was very similar to Gregory's style, and realized it was me. So they tried to expose me as being Anaiah. Now at the time I was going by Onieu. But they asked me "Are you Oneiu. I said no I promise I am no Oneiu. Only later did I tell Tamar in an email. I didn't lie. My name is Onieu, not Oneiu.

I personally think in the next life we will be resurrected and that everyone even those eternally punished will be given rest and peace to heal from their pains and enjoy themselves. Kind of like they will have a horrible work week and then they will have a wonderful weekend. So on the weekends, I can hang out with people. And when we are all in eternity, we will all be friends with each other eventually. We'll have eternity to develop friendships with everyone who has ever lived.

I have not heard anything about the DMT/egg theory but I would be interested to hear about it. If you want to share hear or private message, I'd be interested in what that is.

He also stated in this very thread that he violated it after he looked up the consequences and decided it was worth it. I do believe I compared him to a rapist at that point.

What i said was when I looked up the consequences I decided it was not worth it to clearly violate, but that it was worth it to do some questionable things which could be construed as violating it but which was as far I could tell not technically violating it.
 
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I believe you can trick and mislead people with truth. I'll give an example. When I was pretending to be someone named Gregory to befriend her, some people noticed my style of speaking was very similar to Gregory's style, and realized it was me. So they tried to expose me as being Anaiah. Now at the time I was going by Onieu. But they asked me "Are you Oneiu. I said no I promise I am no Oneiu. Only later did I tell Tamar in an email. I didn't lie. My name is Onieu, not Oneiu.

Jesus didn't have very kind words for people who split hairs in order to evade moral responsibilities.
 
When I was pretending to be someone named Gregory to befriend her, some people noticed my style of speaking was very similar to Gregory's style, and realized it was me. So they tried to expose me as being Anaiah. Now at the time I was going by Onieu. But they asked me "Are you Oneiu. I said no I promise I am no Oneiu. Only later did I tell Tamar in an email. I didn't lie. My name is Onieu, not Oneiu.
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Jesus didn't have very kind words for people who split hairs in order to evade moral responsibilities.

Examples of Deception praised in the Bible:

Jesus says he is not going up to the feast but fully intends to go anyways:
John "8 You go up to this feast. I am not going up to this feast, for My time has not yet fully come.” 9 When He had said these things to them, He remained in Galilee. 10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret."

Jesus acts like he doesn't know what happened and he talks about himself as if he is someone else:
Luke "13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him. 17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?” 18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?” 19 And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “(...).” 25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. 28 Then they drew near to the village where they were going, and He indicated that He would have gone farther. 29 But they constrained Him, saying, “Abide with us, for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.” And He went in to stay with them.
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God tells Samuel to tell them that the reason he was going to Bethelem was to make a sacrifice. Whereas the real reason he was going to Bethlehem was to anoint a new king. And when he was told do you come in peace he said I come in peace, even though he was about to usurp the king by anointing a new king: 1 Samuel "Now the Lord said to Samuel, “How long will you mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? Fill your horn with oil, and go; I am sending you to Jesse the Bethlehemite. For I have provided Myself a king among his sons.” 2 And Samuel said, “How can I go? If Saul hears it, he will kill me.” But the Lord said, “Take a heifer with you, and say, ‘I have come to sacrifice to the Lord.’ 3 Then invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what you shall do; you shall anoint for Me the one I name to you.” 4 So Samuel did what the Lord said, and went to Bethlehem. And the elders of the town trembled at his coming, and said, “Do you come peaceably?” 5 And he said, “Peaceably; I have come to sacrifice to the Lord. Sanctify yourselves, and come with me to the sacrifice.” Then he consecrated Jesse and his sons, and invited them to the sacrifice.
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David pretends he is crazy to save his life:
1 Samuel " 10 Then David arose and fled that day from before Saul, and went to Achish the king of Gath. 11 And the servants of Achish said to him, “Is this not David the king of the land? Did they not sing of him to one another in dances, saying: ‘Saul has slain his thousands, And David his ten thousands’?” 12 Now David took these words to heart, and was very much afraid of Achish the king of Gath. 13 So he changed his behavior before them, pretended madness in their hands, scratched on the doors of the gate, and let his saliva fall down on his beard. 14 Then Achish said to his servants, “Look, you see the man is insane. Why have you brought him to me? 15 Have I need of madmen, that you have brought this fellow to play the madman in my presence? Shall this fellow come into my house?”
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David kills people who deserved to die who lived in the land of Israel, but made the Philistines think that he had attacked the Israelites instead:
1 Samuel "7 Now the time that David dwelt in the country of the Philistines was one full year and four months. 8 And David and his men went up and raided the Geshurites, the Girzites, and the Amalekites. For those nations were the inhabitants of the land from of old, as you go to Shur, even as far as the land of Egypt. 9 Whenever David attacked the land, he left neither man nor woman alive, but took away the sheep, the oxen, the donkeys, the camels, and the apparel, and returned and came to Achish. 10 Then Achish would say, “Where have you made a raid today?” And David would say, “Against the southern area of Judah, or against the southern area of the Jerahmeelites, or against the southern area of the Kenites.” 11 David would save neither man nor woman alive, to bring news to Gath, saying, “Lest they should inform on us, saying, ‘Thus David did.’” And thus was his behavior all the time he dwelt in the country of the Philistines. 12 So Achish believed David, saying, “He has made his people Israel utterly abhor him; therefore he will be my servant forever.”
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Holy fucking scriptures! No one will trick me into reading scripture again but I know what he's on about regardless. Anyway, there are times in the bible that jesus or god himself directed someone to do something deceptive for the greater good, but this guy doesn't believe god spoke to him or otherwise directed him to do anything, he simply thinks he gets to personally make the calls normally reserved for god. Even if he did follow the bible, his scripture vomit here doesn't defend him. It makes him look like a blasphemer for daring to compare himself to Jesus Christ and God himself. The dude has very clearly broken at least six of the ten commandments here and that is very basic stuff. I mean, the boy is a walking graven image. Never mind all the rest of it.

It doesn't matter what the bible says though anyway, because he made up his own religion. He picks and chooses from whatever he finds around to suit himself. So I'm quite sure his own religion excuses basically anything he does anyway. Let's not forgot that he is also a cult leader who wants a group of homeless indentured servants in addition to his second career as a crazy stalker psycho. Hence the whole, Jesus/God thing. So there's no point to trying to debate theology with him. He doesn't/won't believe anything that doesn't allow him to continue doing what he's doing and unlike literally any normal theology buff, he is wholly unwilling or incapable of discussing possible alternative interpretations of any passages. His interpretation is the only one that matters.
 
Examples of Deception praised in the Bible:

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When you can provide me your proof that God told you to be a prevaricating, self-absorbed asshole who tries (and fails) to play mind games with people in order to try to break up someone else's marriage, I'll read this.

And no, I don't mean anything that starts with "my studies of random philosophy from when my balls still hadn't dropped".
 
When you can provide me your proof that God told you to be a prevaricating, self-absorbed asshole who tries (and fails) to play mind games with people in order to try to break up someone else's marriage, I'll read this.

And no, I don't mean anything that starts with "my studies of random philosophy from when my balls still hadn't dropped".

Don't need God telling me. I do what I believe is the right thing to do. And i've made some mistakes and wrong choices which I wish I could take back. But I am no a self-absorbed asshole.

My motivation to pursue is almost 100% selfless and for her. It is my methods which were done selfishly, not the overarching intention, nor the goal. My goal is noble and good and pure. My methods were partially good and partially bad and impure.
 
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@tamarlover I know you believe that gay/pedo/other non christian questionable practices are a choice made by the individual;

1. What is your opinion on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (including the daughters actions afterwards)

2. Why (if you aren't attracted to men) is your Jewish dating site profile listed as looking for men.
 
Don't need God telling me. I do what I believe is the right thing to do. And i've made some mistakes and wrong choices which I wish I could take back. But I am no a self-absorbed asshole.

"Fuck what the supreme ruler of the universe wants me to do. I do what I want."

"I'm not a self-absorbed asshole at all."
 
Don't need God telling me.

Right on, Satan. You rock that non serviam.

I do what I believe is the right thing to do. And i've made some mistakes and wrong choices which I wish I could take back.

Oh, while you're contradicting yourself within two sentences, could you please reiterate to us how you're so much smarter and cleverer and more logical than the rest of us? It adds to the punchline.

But I am no a self-absorbed asshole.

You attempted to destroy a stranger's reputation and family in order to coerce her into validating you, because you believe you deserve it. Now you sponge off your parents while insisting to the entire Internet that you deserve her and everything else you desire because you're a special snowflake. But I'm sure that's not anywhere near "self-absorbed" or "asshole".
 
@tamarlover I know you believe that gay/pedo/other non christian questionable practices are a choice made by the individual;

1. What is your opinion on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (including the daughters actions afterwards)

2. Why (if you aren't attracted to men) is your Jewish dating site profile listed as looking for men.

I think Lot and his two daughters committed wickedness in what they did afterwards. With Lot offering his two daughters to the men, it may have been sarcasm. Because why would he think gay men would be interested in women. But if it wasn't sarcasm, he may have thought that homosexual rape is more evil than heterosexual rape. I made a mistake on the jewish dating site profile when it said that.

"Fuck what the supreme ruler of the universe wants me to do. I do what I want."

"I'm not a self-absorbed asshole at all."

No I'm saying you don't need God's permission telling you everything you can and can't do. he gave us general rules and leaves it to us to fill in the holes and try to apply the principles at the appropriate times.
 
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One day everyone here will be my friend either in this life or next life. I guarantee it.

Careful what you wish for.

LOL either his privs changed or @tamarlover just now discovered how to rate posts.

Yeah, I just got more disagrees than I racked up in every single political thread I've posted in.
 
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Right on, Satan. You rock that non serviam.



Oh, while you're contradicting yourself within two sentences, could you please reiterate to us how you're so much smarter and cleverer and more logical than the rest of us? It adds to the punchline.

You attempted to destroy a stranger's reputation and family in order to coerce her into validating you, because you believe you deserve it. Now you sponge off your parents while insisting to the entire Internet that you deserve her and everything else you desire because you're a special snowflake. But I'm sure that's not anywhere near "self-absorbed" or "asshole".

It was a mistake primarily because it didn't produce the effect I had hoped but made things worse. if it had made things better I wouldn't have thought I did anything wrong for most of it. She needed an intervention. I did what I had to do at the time. I regret it mostly because I hurt her and caused our friendship to break because of it. I don't deserve her to be my wife. But my friend.

LOL either his privs changed or @tamarlover just now discovered how to rate posts.

I knew how to rate posts, but I didn't want to. But I decided I wanted to. And when I decide to do something I go all the way.
 
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In my understanding, deception is not always lying. Deceive: "To trick or mislead." lie: "To give false information intentionally."

If you can't recognize the concept of a lie by omission, you are a craptastic theologian and should find another line of sperg.

My motivation to pursue is almost 100% selfless and for her. It is my methods which were done selfishly, not the overarching intention, nor the goal. My goal is noble and good and pure. My methods were partially good and partially bad and impure.

You realize that every single bad guy in history, except maybe Tamerlane, said exactly the same thing, right?
 
That's what I mean; what I mean is you guys think i'm physically dangerous or violent. But if I had been a woman, you'd probably be less inclined to think so even if all the facts were otherwise the same.

Stalking someone to this extent is generally a prelude to a violent act. It could be said that stalking is emotional violence, since the intention is to make the person being staked question their safety.

I would think the exact same thing if you had a vagina. Most people would.
 
I think Lot and his two daughters committed wickedness in what they did afterwards.
Did Lot commit wickedness though?

Also in the original scripture Sodom and Gomorrah isn't just a place of homosexual deviants. I'm curious why you believe Lot was being sarcastic, especially in the presence of 2 angels...
 
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