Lolcow Andrew Peter Carlson / Anaiah Carlson / Tamarlover / Xtamarlover - Jewish/Christian Wannabe Cult Leader, Stalker, Ugly af, dogfucker, mayor of spitsville

[Anaiah Carlson]

If you go to jail unfairly it's the fault of a bad justice system. You can't expect every citizen to be an expert in every kind of threat. What is expected is for you to report suspected threats and the justice system figure them out. Also didn't you say before that nothing justifies murder? Did you read anything about DMT theory and entities btw?

"How dare they accuse me of being insane, threatening and dangerous, simply for stalking! I'll kill them for that! I'll kill them all!!! That will prove how wrong they were!"

I wouldn't ever murder someone even if they put me in jail. But i'm just saying i believe there are some people who are dangerous and if you put them in jail it makes them much more likely to want to hurt you as revenge. But that's not the type of person I am.

 

[Curt Sibling]

@tamarlover!
Seems like my scornful comment about living with your mom annoyed you a little.

The truth hurts, eh?
Perhaps you should learn to stand on your own two feet, instead of being a pitiful parasite.

 

[Cato]

I wouldn't ever murder someone even if they put me in jail. But i'm just saying i believe there are some people who are dangerous and if you put them in jail it makes them much more likely to want to hurt you as revenge. But that's not the type of person I am.

My point was that your argument that imprisonment would lead to revenge murder actually validates the belief that the offender in question is dangerous. Whereas you were inexplicably using this as an argument to not make assumptions that people are dangerous.

Two primary functions of the prison system are deterrence and isolation from society. Offenders are imprisoned to keep the public safe.

The standard of evidence required to validate a criminal conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt." People aren't convicted on the basis of mere assumptions that they are dangerous.

 

[Anaiah Carlson]

@tamarlover!
Seems like my scornful comment about living with your mom annoyed you a little.

The truth hurts, eh?
Perhaps you should learn to stand on your own two feet, instead of being a pitiful parasite.

I was going through trying to react to many of the comments. I only got a little more than half way before I think they deactivated me being able to do that at least for now. Are people who are disabled parasites? Is it really all that different someone who gets food stamps and what my parents do for me? Especially the people who get food stamps who don't have a job. Are they parasites to in your view? I think its smart to take advantage of family love when you are able to. So instead of getting into debt, I'm free right now. In the future when i'm ready to stand on my own feet I will, but I will have taken the smart road. Instead of trying to do it on my own. My parents are willing to pay part of my college bill as well. So they will help me get independent when I am ready to pursue that.

Two primary functions of the prison system are deterrence and isolation from society. Offenders are imprisoned to keep the public safe.

The standard of evidence required to validate a criminal conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt." People aren't convicted on the basis of mere assumptions that they are dangerous.

That's true. But some people become even more dangerous after being imprisoned. For the giving of the protective order, it was not needed to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt since it wasn't a criminal conviction. Instead it only had to be a preponderence of the evidence.

 

[SourDiesel]

Ho-ly shit.

I'm not sure if I'm sorry I asked or if that was the most glorious specimen of illogical insanity and word salad I have ever personally encountered and I feel lucky to have witnessed it.

Here's your answer.

One of the ten commandments is "Do not kill." But then other places in the bible God commands people to kill others. So then the command "do not kill" must not be universal and must have some exceptions.

Similarly then, it is possible that the command of not coveting your neighbor's wife may not be universal and may have some exceptions, and I believe it does.

Likewise the command to not steal has exceptions.

The command to honor your parents has exceptions. I would argue that each of the ten commandments refers to a very narrow specific issue that is always forbidden.

Exceptional as fuuuuuck.

 

[Cato]

I was going through trying to react to many of the comments. I only got a little more than half way before I think they deactivated me being able to do that at least for now.

Ah, I was wondering if you got bored of going through the entire thread again and applying ratings to every post, or what. Once you started your streak I was expecting numerous more "disagrees," "dislikes" and "Islamic contents" from you.

That's true. But some people become even more dangerous after being imprisoned. For the giving of the protective order, it was not needed to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt since it wasn't a criminal conviction. Instead it only had to be a preponderence of the evidence.

You have a habit of jumping from one completely unrelated point to another as people explain why your arguments and analogies make no sense, and trying to act like you are making some consistent and coherent argument. What does your protective order have to do with prison terms making people angrier upon release?

 

[Anaiah Carlson]

At least I think it had been deactivated. its working now though so that makes me doubt that maybe I misunderstood. It seemed like at a certain point it wasn't registering any new ones i was doing so I assumed they had taken that away.

 

[SourDiesel]

Are people who are disabled parasites? Is it really all that different someone who gets food stamps and what my parents do for me? Especially the people who get food stamps who don't have a job. Are they parasites to in your view?

You are not disabled, fucktard. Disabled people have excuses for not working. They are disabled. You are merely a parasite.

I think its smart to take advantage of family love when you are able to.

Exactly. You're taking advantage of people and you have no excuse. You're a parasite. And also this continues to make you sound like a sociopath. In particular, one who doesn't honor their father and mother. But I assume there is an exception to that too.

 

[Cato]

I was going through trying to react to many of the comments. I only got a little more than half way before I think they deactivated me being able to do that at least for now. Are people who are disabled parasites? Is it really all that different someone who gets food stamps and what my parents do for me? Especially the people who get food stamps who don't have a job. Are they parasites to in your view? I think its smart to take advantage of family love when you are able to. So instead of getting into debt, I'm free right now. In the future when i'm ready to stand on my own feet I will, but I will have taken the smart road. Instead of trying to do it on my own. My parents are willing to pay part of my college bill as well. So they will help me get independent when I am ready to pursue that.

First off, there is a difference between being incapable of working due to a disability, and being a lazy NEET who simply doesn't like working and would rather take advantage of enablers. Seriously dude, I've never seen anyone who makes as many facile and inane analogies as you...every other post of yours has some analogy that takes about half a second of thought to recognize a glaring distinction between the points of comparison.

Secondly, there is also a difference between leaning on family to help better oneself, obtain an education, save up for a house, etc., and chipping in where one can, versus sitting around and doing nothing...not working, not going to school, not contributing to the household.

I know you claim that you intend to pay your parents back eventually, but you've shown absolutely zero indication of any effort, desire or ability to do so, and have in fact disparaged the very concept of work.

People here are saying that you, and you specifically, are a leech, and with good reason. We are not making generalized statements that necessarily apply to anyone else.

 

[Anaiah Carlson]

You have a habit of jumping from one completely unrelated point to another as people explain why your arguments and analogies make no sense, and trying to act like you are making some consistent and coherent argument. What does your protective order have to do with prison terms making people angrier upon release?

The point was someone had said that they could assume that i was dangerous and needed to be put in jail. So I said that could actually be the worst thing to do if i actually was dangerous, because putting some people in jail could make them 10x more dangerous due to a desire for revenge. And so my point was its not the best idea necessarily to assume should be put in jail because that might actually escalate the situation more than it otherwise would have been. There are also some people in the world who would rather murder than go to jail. So those people they might not murder anyone normally but if you try to get them arrested they will do their best to kill the people trying to arrest them. So i think it could be very risky to assume without sufficient basis a person should be arrested. In my case, it was not proven in court beyond reasonable doubt that I stalked Melinda. But the preponderance of the evidence indicated that I did, so they gave the protective order. When giving the protective orders they always try to err on the side of caution. If they are going to make a wrong judgment, its better to wrongly give someone a protective order than to not give someone a protective order and it results in someone dying or being hurt that otherwise wouldn't have.

I feel horrible about having a protective order, but in all actuality, its not that big a deal, if you think about it. It says I can't own a fire arm for two years. I am anti guns anyways so it doesn't really affect me other than making me crappy that they are taking away one of my rights even though its a right i wish we could take away from just about everyone. The other thing is the protective order says I am not allowed to have any contact with her "friends". Which leaves it very ambiguous. Like what if some of her friends were already my friends? And what if they are just online friends and don't know her much at all and are not in contact with her even though they are "friends"? Well the good news it mostly doesn't matter because she has lost contact with most of her friends so I don't even know who any of her friends are except a few. But the whole idea of banning you from having any contact from a friend of hers seems kind of overreaching. Like what if you meet up in the store unintentionally of that friend of hers and you say how are you doing? how's your family? how's your job? hope you are doing well. Well I gotta go, i'm busy. Nice to see you here a small amount." and then you walk away. Well if that is a violation of a protective order, thats pretty silly. Since it literally has nothing to do with her whatsoever.

 

[SourDiesel]

First off, there is a difference between being incapable of working due to a disability, and being a lazy NEET who simply doesn't like working and would rather take advantage of enablers. Seriously dude, I've never seen anyone who makes as many facile and inane analogies as you...every other post of yours has some analogy that takes about half a second of thought to recognize a glaring distinction between the points of comparison.

Secondly, there is also a difference between leaning on family to help better oneself, obtain an education, save up for a house, etc., and chipping in where one can, versus sitting around and doing nothing...not working, not going to school, not contributing to the household.

I know you claim that you intend to pay your parents back eventually, but you've shown absolutely zero indication of any effort, desire or ability to do so, and have in fact disparaged the very concept of work.

People here are saying that you, and you specifically, are a leech, and with good reason. We are not making generalized statements that necessarily apply to anyone else.

He's not gonna pay his parents back, he needs that money to buy his victim's love. It's all part of his reconciliation plan, remember? He's going to somehow save up $150,000 despite refusing to work and use it to get this girl and then presumably live off of it for like two or three years before he runs out of money again and goes back to taking advantage of his parents love. Anyway, all of this requires a job so whatever.

As I was writing this he posted his latest book installment. Let me tl;dr for you: never try and stop dangerous people from hurting others because they'll probably just get mad and hurt others again. Just let them rampage, GAWD.

OH WAIT... unless you're on a love quest, in that case I suppose it's your god-given right and duty to be obsessed with the harm others may do.

 

[Arse Biscuit]

So they will help me get independent when I am ready to pursue that.

You are 26 years old. You should have been pursuing that for 8 years now, if not longer.

 

[Curt Sibling]

I was going through trying to react to many of the comments. I only got a little more than half way before I think they deactivated me being able to do that at least for now. Are people who are disabled parasites? Is it really all that different someone who gets food stamps and what my parents do for me? Especially the people who get food stamps who don't have a job. Are they parasites to in your view? I think its smart to take advantage of family love when you are able to. So instead of getting into debt, I'm free right now. In the future when i'm ready to stand on my own feet I will, but I will have taken the smart road. Instead of trying to do it on my own. My parents are willing to pay part of my college bill as well. So they will help me get independent when I am ready to pursue that.

I'm not talking about the disabled or unfortunate. I'm talking about you, sirrah.
You are not some poor soul, but a debauched stalker with a messiah complex.

Your low manipulation might fool some. Be we can see through you like a glass windowpane.

 

[Anaiah Carlson]

He's not gonna pay his parents back, he needs that money to buy his victim's love. It's all part of his reconciliation plan, remember? He's going to somehow save up $150,000 despite refusing to work and use it to get this girl and then presumably live off of it for like two or three years before he runs out of money again and goes back to taking advantage of his parents love. Anyway, all of this requires a job so whatever.

As I was writing this he posted his latest book installment. Let me tl;dr for you: never try and stop dangerous people from hurting others because they'll probably just get mad and hurt others again. Just let them rampage, GAWD.

OH WAIT... unless you're on a love quest, in that case I suppose it's your god-given right and duty to be obsessed with the harm others may do.

I didn't say never stop dangerous people from hurting others. I said its not a good idea to always put someone in jail just because they might be dangerous and even if you can show they are dangerous, in some unique situations it may actually be better for the person in danger if the person who is dangerous is not arrested. There are so many nuances for different people so you can never assume and have to take it on case by case basis.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

So what will you do if she has the order of protection extended? She's got plenty of evidence against you in the form of your videos and your posts here. You say "two years isn't a very long time." Okay. How about ten? Twenty? What length of restraining order would convince you that this woman never wants to see you or hear from you again?

 

[Anaiah Carlson]

I'm not talking about the disabled or unfortunate. I'm talking about you, sirrah.
You are not some poor soul, but a debauched stalker with a messiah complex.

Your low manipulation might fool some. Be we can see through you like a glass windowpane.

That's because I'm saying things to you without sugarcoating anything and you already have a bias against me. Obviously if I wanted to manipulate you people I wouldn't be telling you all these things. You only "see through" me because I show you what I want to show you. You would never "see through" things I don't show you. And I put " marks because you aren't really seeing through me accurately.

So what will you do if she has the order of protection extended? She's got plenty of evidence against you in the form of your videos and your posts here. You say "two years isn't a very long time." Okay. How about ten? Twenty? What length of restraining order would convince you that this woman never wants to see you or hear from you again?

You can only extend it at 2 year intervals. And each time, there would be a trial for it where they would be required to send me a notice to come for a trial or hearing. She might be able to extend it once again another 2 years. But if she were to succeed a second time pushing it back 2 years, she wouldn't succeed in doing it again a third time.

 

[Arse Biscuit]

You can only extend it at 2 year intervals. And each time, there would be a trial for it where they would be required to send me a notice to come for a trial or hearing. She might be able to extend it once again another 2 years. But if she were to succeed a second time pushing it back 2 years, she wouldn't succeed in doing it again a third time.

This thread will help her along.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Don't need God telling me. I do what I believe is the right thing to do. And i've made some mistakes and wrong choices which I wish I could take back. But I am no a self-absorbed asshole.

Let me just ask you this point-blank: if an angel of the Lord, YHVH, appeared before you and told you "Anaiah, you sin most grievously by sinning against Tamar. But I, The Lord thy God, see fit to give you one last warning"- which you of course warrant, since you're some kind of modern-day prophet- "Unless you turn from this path, you shall lose all that you value, and be cast into the lake of fire with the Adversary and his angels." would you listen? COULD you? Dollars to donuts you wouldn't.

 

[Cato]

I didn't say never stop dangerous people from hurting others. I said its not a good idea to always put someone in jail just because they might be dangerous and even if you can show they are dangerous, in some unique situations it may actually be better for the person in danger if the person who is dangerous is not arrested. There are so many nuances for different people so you can never assume and have to take it on case by case basis.

If an offender demonstrates a high risk to reoffend upon release, sentencing should be tougher, whatever legal mechanisms exist to keep them behind bars should be employed (in my country, Canada, dangerous offender status exists to indefinitely incarcerate people at very high risk to violently reoffend), and they should be monitored upon release. This is a legitimate problem in criminal justice, but saying "fuck it, better not arrest that guy or he'll react violently" is not the appropriate response.

The basic premise of the concept of deterrence is that other would-be criminals see the criminal justice system in action and are dissuaded from committing crimes in the first place. What you're suggesting would actually encourage and incentivize threats of violent retaliation to discourage law enforcement.

Also, an underlying principle of criminal law is that crimes are seen as being committed against the state, not against individuals (even violent crimes). There are a number of reasons for this, but I mention it to make the point that even if it is true that in some specific cases victims are put at risk of further victimization through criminals being prosecuted, it is still in the interests of society as a whole to prosecute the offenders.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Why do you think she wouldn't be able to do it a third time? Typically, as long as she can indicate you're still taking the kind of interest you seem to be taking in her, she could have it extended indefinitely. If she moved to some states (which she might do simply to get permanent legal protection from you), she could have a permanent stalking order filed against you that would never be rescinded. What would you do in that event?