Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Supplemental Authority]

According to § 505 and Kirtsaeng, courts have relatively broad discretion with regards to awarding fees, and from a layman's perspective, it would appear that Greee has given them every reason to do so.

Federal courts do have the power to award full attorney's fees because of bad faith misconduct. Chambers v. NASCO, Inc., 501 U.S. 32 (1991). My guess is that the Court won't do this because (1) you can't get blood from a stone, and (2) it would increase the likelihood of reversal on appeal.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

There’s a facet of this case that I don’t want to mention that may lead the court to not award as many fees as they could. It’s not directly related but it could be taken into advisement.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

TICK TOCK, MR. GREEE

 

[Sneedfully and Peacefully]

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In attempting to reach into the retarded lolcow side of thinking and divine the future, I predict that in true retarded paralegal fashion Mr. Greee is going to pay the sanctions but then file his own grievances because he had to dip into his reserved for business (read: hookers) savings. I don't know what this would look like but maybe "Mr. Moon caused plaintiff further anxiety and depression and so he did not earn as much from running Uber Eats, and so had to use business savings which are unrelated. This is a hardship against plaintiff and since Moon was made whole, it's time for MEEE to be made whole."

I dunno I'm spitballing here, although I am but an amateur to the lord of saliva himself Russhole Greee.

 

[Sneed Force One]

In attempting to reach into the retarded lolcow side of thinking and divine the future, I predict that in true retarded paralegal fashion Mr. Greee is going to pay the sanctions but then file his own grievances because he had to dip into his reserved for business (read: hookers) savings. I don't know what this would look like but maybe "Mr. Moon caused plaintiff further anxiety and depression and so he did not earn as much from running Uber Eats, and so had to use business savings which are unrelated. This is a hardship against plaintiff and since Moon was made whole, it's time for MEEE to be made whole."

I dunno I'm spitballing here, although I am but an amateur to the lord of saliva himself Russhole Greee.

Predicting retardation is like divining from animal bones. Makes sense to the retard/mystic, everyone else is utterly confused.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

I predict that in true retarded paralegal fashion Mr. Greee is going to pay the sanctions but then file his own grievances because he had to dip into his reserved for business (read: hookers) savings.

I am hoping he doesn't pay and justifies it as, "It's earmarked for business, so I can't dip into it, I'm a broke pro se retard yer honah"

 

[HackerX]

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Oh boy, there's a lot to look forward to this week.

- A guaranteed update on the sanction payment. It's a 'will they, won't they' romcom ordeal, where the most boring outcome is Greee paying on time and in full.

- Russ's response to the filings at the end of last week.

- A likely update regarding the application Russ excusably neglected to provide Harden. I'm not sure if the filing Harden submitted last weeks counts as the June 10th status update he was supposed to provide to the judge, but I'm inclined to think not.

Plus the usual back and forth that I've become accustomed to from a Russell Greee lawsuit. Are there any other items I'm missing?

 

[AnOminous]

From a quick search it looks likes paralegals in most states don't actually need a degree or license of any kind but law firms typically won't hire anyone who doesn't have a degree or experience.

Some states require some kind of qualification, and many states that don't have some kind of unofficial association. Generally, you need some kind of credible background to be considered for such a job. The jobs also have a really broad range, from stuff like filling out the same forms over and over, data entry and the like to actually drafting legal documents that are filed in court after review and editing by a licensed lawyer.

There are definitely solos who have a paralegal do most of the research and writing, whether because they're an excellent trial lawyer but a shit writer or for some other reason, like they're a debt collection or DUI mill or some other specialty where every case is more or less the same, or at least shares the same formalities.

This makes economic sense because you want to rack up as many of the priciest billables, that is, hours in court. Meanwhile, one or more paralegals can keep the paper train running for the mundane bread and butter shit like the 90%+ of cases that never end up in court.

Can anyone think of a time where someone has used the phrase "taking it under advisement" where it does not ultimately mean "I'm just going to ignore this as fastidiously as I can"?

I've rarely heard the phrase not used. It's generally disfavored just to shoot from the hip and make a decision on anything non-routine immediately after argument.

The problem isn’t what to do with client’s funds. That’s simple enough: put it in a lawyers trust account. It’s what to do when they’re no longer the client’s funds, or there’s a dispute over whether they’re the client’s funds, or there’s a question over how much is no longer the client’s funds, or multiple people claim a right to the funds.

There's a procedure for that called an interpleader where the person owing the funds (but who does not know specifically who is going to get them) simply deposits the owed money into a bank account controlled by the court, and then says "fight amongst yourselves, boys" and gets to walk away and live his life undisturbed by the details.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Are there any other items I'm missing?

I'm holding out for the following by Friday next:

1. At least one additional plightsperging about how paying $87 to Utah is a violation of the 3rd and 13th amendment
2. An attempt to subpoena Null directly using some horribly confused combination of the SPO and the issued and then revoked subpoena

 

[obsdj]

In attempting to reach into the retarded lolcow side of thinking and divine the future, I predict that in true retarded paralegal fashion Mr. Greee is going to pay the sanctions but then file his own grievances because he had to dip into his reserved for business (read: hookers) savings.

On that note, in the unlikely event that Greer does actually make good on paying this one sanction at the last possible second (or more likely, two hours late), do we have a solid prediction as to his method of payment? Does he Venmo the money to Hardin, or what?

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

I'm holding out for the following by Friday next:

1. At least one additional plightsperging about how paying $87 to Utah is a violation of the 3rd and 13th amendment
2. An attempt to subpoena Null directly using some horribly confused combination of the SPO and the issued and then revoked subpoena

Having learned that public records requests are not discovery, he will fill out a FOIA form and send it to Null and then demand sanctions when Hardin says Null's records aren't public.

 

[HackerX]

Having learned that public records requests are not discovery, he will fill out a FOIA form and send it to Null and then demand sanctions when Hardin says Null's records aren't public.

You're thinkin' like a true retard and might be onto something here. How'd you attain this power?

 

[AnOminous]

I'm personally not sure how that helps his claims of copyright infringement, but I lack the brilliant legal mind of Russel Greer so I must defer to his wisdom on this matter.

No, but it helps his claims of being a poor little retard being bullied and harassed. So great at giving the judges yet another excuse to tard guard.

 

[obsdj]

Are there any other items I'm missing?

Yes: Hardin will be filing his latest motion for sanctions with the court on or around June 10th related to Greer's fuckery surrounding his "emergency" attempt to re-schedule the May 6 hearing at the last minute. It will be a thing of beauty.

 

[AnOminous]

According to § 505 and Kirtsaeng, courts have relatively broad discretion with regards to awarding fees, and from a layman's perspective, it would appear that Greee has given them every reason to do so.

And they have utterly failed to do so until now whenever there's been even a bit of discretion involved. The only sanctions awarded were completely automatic and they didn't have the option of tard guarding without committing clear reversible error. Even then, the District Judge abused discretion and just made up a fantasy number instead of doing the analysis explicitly required by statute.

 

[HackerX]

Yes: Hardin will be filing his latest motion for sanctions with the court on or around June 10th related to Greer's fuckery surrounding his "emergency" attempt to re-schedule the May 6 hearing at the last minute. It will be a thing of beauty.

Oh nice! And there's also uncensoring Russ's threatening email where he was trying to force Null to settle. This week is gonna be bangin'.

 

[lossManJack]

In attempting to reach into the retarded lolcow side of thinking and divine the future, I predict that in true retarded paralegal fashion Mr. Greee is going to pay the sanctions but then file his own grievances because he had to dip into his reserved for business (read: hookers) savings. I don't know what this would look like but maybe "Mr. Moon caused plaintiff further anxiety and depression and so he did not earn as much from running Uber Eats, and so had to use business savings which are unrelated. This is a hardship against plaintiff and since Moon was made whole, it's time for MEEE to be made whole."

I dunno I'm spitballing here, although I am but an amateur to the lord of saliva himself Russhole Greee.

I don't want to veer into assisting Mr. Greeeee but my experience with capital contributions to an LLC is that once you put it into the business checking account you can't really move it back without being taxed. It becomes income. If Mr. Greeee uses funds from the prostitution business for his vendetta lawsuits the government needs their pound of flesh.

 

[Thomas Talus]

like they're a debt collection or DUI mill or some other specialty where every case is more or less the same, or at least shares the same formalities.

This makes economic sense because you want to rack up as many of the priciest billables, that is, hours in court. Meanwhile, one or more paralegals can keep the paper train running for the mundane bread and butter shit like the 90%+ of cases that never end up in court.

I mean, a DUI is at least going to have an appearance for the case manager.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I don't want to veer into assisting Mr. Greeeee but my experience with capital contributions to an LLC is that once you put it into the business checking account you can't really move it back without being taxed. It becomes income. If Mr. Greeee uses funds from the prostitution business for his vendetta lawsuits the government needs their pound of flesh.

Do you honestly think the guy that is demanding the defendant pay the $87 costs of his court ordered document discovery now now now! Is paying the monthly service costs for a business checking account?

 

[lossManJack]

Do you honestly think the guy that is demanding the defendant pay the $87 costs of his court ordered document discovery now now now! Is paying the monthly service costs for a business checking account?

Mine is free, but fair point. I suspect the finances are a mess and intermingled.