Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

  • This Month

    Votes: 67 14.6%
  • Next Month

    Votes: 55 12.0%
  • This Year

    Votes: 73 15.9%
  • Next Year

    Votes: 153 33.3%
  • Whenever he issues an update to the sanctions

    Votes: 111 24.2%

  • Total voters
    459
I mean Greer was pretty clear about signalling his intent here, wasn't he? "Unless this court finds in my favour, I have no intention of ever abiding by any of its findings."

By insisting on filing further spurious motions in respect of these sanctions, it's just another way of running up null's costs. Greer should be forced to pay any costs for Hardin's responses to this bullshit as well.

Also, does America not have bank transfers? If I want to send somebody money these days, I just do a transfer from my account directly into theirs. Even the oldest and most technologically retarded boomer knows how to do this. You need the person's account number and their bank sort code, but it gives you concrete evidence of when and where the payment was made.
You can wire money to someone's account but it's not as quick as the SWIFT system that Europe uses. Really it shouldn't matter since all Greee would have to do is go to the post office, buy a money order, send it certified mail to Hardin. His whole "Hardin could just say they never got it" would be bullshit since he'd have the receipt for the money order, which could show if it had been cashed or not, and certified mail is tracked so it would be verified that it was delivered.
 
If he sent a personal check it would probably bounce.

Exactly, and any type of "electronic transfer" runs the risk of Greer pulling a chargeback of some sort. Greer knows this, too. Notice what he says here:
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A cashier's check or money order would mean "money being taken out of his account." The unspoken coda to which is, "And I would have no way to get it back by claiming the transaction was fraudulent."
 
The fact that he admits he had no intention of complying with the order to pay the sanctions would, in a just world, get him a contempt charge. But most likely he’ll get the kid glove treatment again. This judge deserves every minute of suffering Russ causes him.
 
It didn't seem to do much so it kinda stopped being brought up. I'm sure judge bowtie has no idea after seeing him be surprised by stuff during the hearing.
I'm pretty sure the topic was specifically brought up in one of the two previous zoom calls, to the effect of the judge acknowledging Russ has some legal experience. At least more legal experience than Joe Schmo who has never entered a court room in his life. Even if they know and/or knew Russ was a paralegal, there is absolutely no perception that Russ has any legal experience, which is actually kinda amazing. It's basically an open secret that everyone involved in the has case accepted eons ago so it's not longer prudent to be mentioned.

There's no benefit for Russ to bring up because he wants the court to think he's a retard. There's no benefit for Hardin to bring it up because you can only say "Russ should know better" so many times when he's clearly a retard. There's no benefit for the judges because they want to do everything imaginable to ensure an appeal isn't successful.

What's funny is how remarkably similar this situation is to when Russ got bullied by that judge who did everything in his power to force Russ to state a claim. The biggest difference is instead of grilling Russ on the stand, they're just hoping the process will eventually move forward on its own. BIG LOL there btw. Russ has a habit of getting tangled into every which direction while never making progress to the mythical next step, and I blame the judges for that.

They are letting the retard play around on the filing system (doubly funny considering today) when they know they absolutely need to rule on something more than once in a blue moon, not just for the occasional one-offs rulings to the "emergency motions" and the like The judges are unironically doing more harm than good for Russ by letting the case continue because he's clearly at begining of a sanctions snowball and he's given no indication that's gonna stop.
 
Well, the court may use and abuse its discretion on this matter to say "fuck you, Null", but that's appealable.
As you stated, there's already reversible error with regard to awarding fees on the record, something that'd bolster Hardin's position in a potential appeal.
Do you truly and honestly think that if this case concludes without awarding fees it would be a good idea to appeal that to the same court that reversed the original dismissal and then asked for comment for an en banc review before deciding not to?

I think there is clearly some malign influence in the 10th circuit (soviet kike judge, tranny clerk, something) and I don't have a good read on how hard it would be to overcome it. Lawfags, if you go back to the same appellate court is there any kind of provision where you can ask for three different justices?
 
Do you truly and honestly think that if this case concludes without awarding fees it would be a good idea to appeal that to the same court that reversed the original dismissal and then asked for comment for an en banc review before deciding not to?

I think there is clearly some malign influence in the 10th circuit (soviet kike judge, tranny clerk, something) and I don't have a good read on how hard it would be to overcome it. Lawfags, if you go back to the same appellate court is there any kind of provision where you can ask for three different justices?
The Plaintiff is a Pro Se Retard. Regardless of what happens the case is getting appealed. Because every case involving a Pro Se Retard gets appealed. It's the one Legal Absolute. The Retard will keep filing until he is forced to start paying.
 
Russ has got to be catching Contempt of Court charges soon, right? There are SEVERAL court orders that he has outright refused to comply with. Not just refusing to pay the sanctions, but also in failing to provide everything from his alleged application for a restraining order against Null. Through this whole process he has thumped his nose at the legal process, defied orders and instruction from BOTH judges, has blatantly lied to the court, committed witness tampering...he's gotta catch Hell for all this eventually, right? He's committed literal crimes up to and including felonies. Contempt of Court is the least he deserves, on top of all the sanctions and getting this abortion of a case dismissed.
 
I mean what can a court possibly do if he refuses to pay. It's not like they can make an order to garnish his wages or seize his bank accounts.

Oh, wait.
Let's say it gets to the point where Russ owes Null a non-insignifcant amount of money. Basically anything beyond the current $700 dollar sanction and some amount Russ couldn't feasibly pay in a lump sum. (Not saying he can pay the $700 either, but you get the gist.) Would this court be the mechanism to garnish his wages or would Hardin/Null have to go through some other bureaucratic court process to kickstart that?

I certainly hope it's the former. Well, at least for Null. The latter will be more entertaining since it'll surely involve Russ kicking and screaming by filing a million motions to undo the thing that already happened to multiple courts and the police.
 
BOOM! Down swings the Hardship's hammer. And this is only the first stroke of what promises to be a ferocious legal beating to be delivered tomorrow. I can't wait.
I really appreciate the second motion. It's a subtle nudge to the court that "hey, this guy has fucked up so bad that I need y'all to let me know if it's worth my time."

On the other hand, Hardin is a nigger for not making the obvious word choice here.
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It's recalcitrance you fuck. WILLFUL RECALCITRANCE. Greer has his power words like "excusable neglect" and "copyright case". Your power word is RECALCITRANT. Or RECALCITRANCE. You had it right there and you goofed like that? For shame.
 
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This is great! If you don't sanction both parties then it's arbitrary. But if the sanctions weren't the same amount they would cancel out until only one party had to pay. So the only non-arbitrary sanctions are ones of equal value on both sides which then annihilate each other. "Virtual sanctions" if you will.

I posit that all litigation is filled with these "virtual sanctions" but we can only notice them when a legal black hole such as greee v. moon is being adjudicated. In classical judicial theory legal black holes never conclude but under this new theory legal black hole will suck in one sanction from these virtual sanction pairs and slowly evaporate over years.
 
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