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Why? So more can pop up in 2 weeks?

People like you have a fundamental misunderstand of the cartels and their origins. You have this liberal-like fantasy that the cartels are some nebulous oppressive force that just appeared one day and the Mexican people long to be free of them. This is complete nonsense. The cartles and the violence and dysfunction of Mexico are a direct and organic result of the culture and values of the Mexican people. Just like how we freed Afghanistan and once we left they immediately went back to being oppressive jihadi shitbags, we could kill every current cartel member and overnight the sons of the poor widdle regular Mexican folks would see their opritunity and form new ones.
Cartel stuff has been around for 20 years, it's absolutely impressive how fast everything went to shit but that's kinda the point, it was fast, unexpected, and brutal. Mexico's murder rate was dropping until 2008 where it spiked like a motherfucker. I don't think we'd be doing as much buisness as we do with Mexico if we didn't have the inheritance of the good decades before 2008, but now we're sorta forced to continue trading and working with them due to the fact that a significant chunk of the buisnessses in border states are deeply tied to the shithole down the border, and you can't disengage that without hurting the bottom line which is ultimately the only thing that matters for US elections. Greg Abbott tried to shut down the Texan border and was basically stabbed in the back by the truckers, the farmers, the manufacturing sector, everyone in Texas needed that border acccepting trucks in a speedy fashion and that caused him to just give up 3 days into the whole mess.

Don't know if this speaks to the fundamentals but it is not true that this was a problem since forever, or else we would not have stuff like NAFTA, and Mexico would be more to us like how Africa is to the Europeans.
 
Hugbox it might be.
Atleast he had the honesty and come right out and imply he isn’t a right winger

I can buy that, but I cannot buy the part where the CIA is telling him to act like he does. I think he IS that suspect and he is grifting the letter agencies and the alt-right hence the Groyper movement.
Why wouldn’t they tell him to act that way. Discrediting opposition is like cointelpro 101 shit
 
I know this I may be late, but I just gotta ask why does Mexico want to start a war with the US? Like all this shit I’ve seen from their government lately, screams they want to start the 2nd Mexico American war.
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They really want remittances buddy. The spice must flow.
I've actually been wondering how much of an influence Disney's Star Wars has had on leftists since those movies started coming out in 2015. It really feels to me like the leftists started seeing themselves as "Rebels" and Republicans as "Empire" after they went and saw The Force Awakens in 2015, they all think they are Andor or Ray or something. I'm not even joking either, I think Disney Star Wars is at least partially to blame for amping up leftists to start political violence all the time. The new Andor show was literally propaganda about Empire = Israel/USA vs Palestine = Rebellion, where the Rebels literally wear towels on their head and riot about being illegal immigrants on Empire planets even though that doesn't make any sense in Star Wars.

These people literally think they are Ray from Star Wars defeating Kylo Ren's Empire.
They use Disney Star Wars because it's their two favorite things mixed together. That and Hillary Clinton calling the dems the Resistance when Trump 1 started. They've been on the propaganda cope train for a long time
 
Why wouldn’t they tell him to act that way. Discrediting opposition is like cointelpro 101 shit
I'll have to search "Kino casino Nick Fuentes" on YouTube to dwell deeper. What I'm trying to say that I do not completely buy the occum's razor that Nick Fuentes was completely manufactured by the letter agencies of his recent antics and behaviors. Maybe, the letter agencies astroturfed him into the spotlight. I get that. But, as you say, he is a grifter. I don't want to give him too much credit that he is this encompassing human being manufactured purely for outside disruption.
 
Mexican History Break!
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This painting depicts the final moments before execution of Emperor Maximilian, a man who is said to have loved Mexico so much he prayed for it even in his last moments. What happened to him? Ask many Mexicans and the answer you get is "He had to die."

Max took the throne in 1864 (During the US Civil War) after being told Mexico wanted him to do it (but really it was more Euro/Mexico power struggle stuff).

"If you succeed in bringing order out of this chaos, fortune into this misery, union into these hearts you will be the greatest sovereign of modern times. Go poor fool! You may regret your beautiful castle of Miramar!
- François Claude du Barail​

While the European powers that put Maximilian in power expected him to roll back liberal reforms once he got to Mexico, he did not. Instead he:
  • Created laws to protect freedom of speech and protect workers' rights
  • Extend amnesty for his political rivals (got his hand slapped by Benito Juárez)
  • Stood up to the pope and said the Mexicans didn't need no dang ol' state religion
  • Tried to set up national public schools
And what did it get him?

Because the US still acknowledged Benito as the rightful leader of Mexico, Max was never acknowledged emperor. Just the prospect of the US siding with Benito was enough for some of Maximilian's men to abandon him. With guerilla attacks increasing in rural areas, Maximillian issued "the black decree" which said anyone found to be aiding the guerillas was to be executed. It was very unpopular - so unpopular he sent his wife back to Europe and told her to just stay there if she couldn't get them help.

In 1866 he tried to set up a national assembly on what to do, but Juárez refused the ceasefire necessary to actually pull it off. Max was captured and killed almost immediately after the remaining French troops left and he had to switch over to using the Mexican ones.

He was succeeded by Benito Juárez.

"I'm on your side!"
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Here's a video about that first painting, by the way:

Let's see what the comments say!
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So what do we learn?

There is nothing Max could have done to "win" here. It wasn't what he did that mattered, it was who he was. He could not win. There was no policy, no behavior, no choices he could have made that would have saved him. His very existence needed to be erased.

"He had to die."
 
Symbolism is the only thing that gives anything meaning.
I mean, there’s also empirical reality..

Like, if I’m a caveman and I’m trying to.. let’s say, peel the bark off a stick because if this crazy idea I have, I could try to rub the stick on grass, and I could also maybe rub the stick on a rock

You don’t think there’s a difference between grass and the rock, other than in terms of social constructs?

You’ve consumed way too much post modernism
 
Nicky boy, you got what you wanted right? Please don’t tell me your going to suddenly become pro Immigrant are you, you’re not that stupid right?
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i dont think he disagrees with the point they make. he wants to point out that these people are getting their talking points by some central authority, to the point where they are posting the same thing almost word for word.
it's a bit like that collage with dozens of "local" news stations all running the exact same 'danger to Our Democracy' talking points.
 
I simply don't believe it's all a big planned out evil conspiracy,
Okay, that isn't what I said. I said they don't feel safe in stable white-majority countries. The reason for that is because of their persecution complex and Holocaust mythology. No conspiracy is necessary, only a common culture and worldview that causes disconnected people to act in similar ways. Compare it to the Cathedral concept of explaining the apparent collusion between deep state and media networks, for example.

As for evidence that individual Jews feel exactly like I said — unsafe in white-majority countries due to a persecution complex — you will find no shortage of quotes assembled in various books, websites, and meme images that come from prominent Jewish leaders in media, activism, Israeli government, and so on, saying exactly the same thing from their own point of view.

I feel for any of us who have been on the edgy side of the Internet longer than five minutes, this is common knowledge. But maybe that isn't everyone.
 
Hugbox it might be. The difference though between a normie and a KFer is simple and that's how informed they are.
It being a hugbox isn't inherently a problem as long as people are aware of it.


Atleast he had the honesty and come right out and imply he isn’t a right winger
I vote Republican in the US and voted UTJ/Likud in Israel, pretending a right winger isn't right wing because he's self aware about the environment in which he's posting is stupid.

Nicky boy, you got what you wanted right? Please don’t tell me your going to suddenly become pro Immigrant are you, you’re not that stupid right?
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Sorry dude, I tried posting that but apparently we need to write a disclaimer about how Nick/the groypers aren't real right wingers that don't matter now. Pol retards lose it otherwise
 
I'll have to search "Kino casino Nick Fuentes" on YouTube to dwell deeper. What I'm trying to say that I do not completely buy the occum's razor that Nick Fuentes was completely manufactured by the letter agencies of his recent antics and behaviors. Maybe, the letter agencies astroturfed him into the spotlight. I get that. But, as you say, he is a grifter. I don't want to give him too much credit that he is this encompassing human being manufactured purely for outside disruption.
he is not manufactured I think he was a real grifter that got Astro turfed and after Jan 6th he was turned into a intelligence asset
 
Their apologists are more annoying when they do that, "Um ACKtually California belonged to Mexico", because they talk as if the city today existed back in 1800 when it was still a small settlement of 300.
Southern California is literally the Mexican equivalent of Wakanda except it was built by gringos because Mexicans are too lazy and incompetent to build anything comparable. Irrigation transformed a literal fucking desert into a livable land able to be farmed on, and L.A. has the infrastructure to support millions of people. The beaners are just mad they can't build Wetbackanda themselves so they want to steal it from the US.
 
I'm more referring to how if you criticize certain politicians or policies people will lose their shit. People lost their shit at me for criticizing Massie until recently when it turned out I was right.
What? People get bent out of shape when you criticize things they like or you disagree with? Did you know the sky is also blue? Shocking, I know.
 
"He had to die."
This was a fun read! I dare you to make another post on the Mexican revolution. I would be interested.

To be completely fair though, I don't think this behavior from the Mexicans is as unusual as you make it out. I propose the inverse to you. Lets say Canada invited the Japanese PM to rule over America. And lets say that the Japanese PM did everything in his power to become an American. Maybe he would even learn the Declaration of Independence off by heart. But do you really think that even after this the American people would accept a Japanese leader installed by the Canadians?
 
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Okay, that isn't what I said. I said they don't feel safe in stable white-majority countries. The reason for that is because of their persecution complex and Holocaust mythology. No conspiracy is necessary, only a common culture and worldview that causes disconnected people to act in similar ways. Compare it to the Cathedral concept of explaining the apparent collusion between deep state and media networks, for example.

As for evidence that individual Jews feel exactly like I said — unsafe in white-majority countries due to a persecution complex — you will find no shortage of quotes assembled in various books, websites, and meme images that come from prominent Jewish leaders in media, activism, Israeli government, and so on, saying exactly the same thing from their own point of view.

I feel for any of us who have been on the edgy side of the Internet longer than five minutes, this is common knowledge. But maybe that isn't everyone.
I agree with you but they do conspire.
 
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