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The next step for Democrats is likely Newsom shopping around for a judge that is going to try and demand the end of the occupation of LA. They are losing the optics battle on the ground hard ATM.

Also that retarded nationwide protest this weekend that doesn't really deserve any more coverage than the 50501 attempt.
I genuinely have no idea what Trump is talking about when he says LA would be burning if he hadn't sent in the natty guard. They can legally only protect fed buildings and fed workers. All the arrests and police action has been LAPD, LASD, highway authority and other local groups as far as I know.

He's also alternating between "if we hadn't intervened it would have been bad" and "there was endless looting last night". Isn't that already bad?

What even is his strategy here. Piss off Gavin enough that he has a melty on live TV?
 
These faggots don't get that most of the Mexicans left US owned territories after the war. They just think they stayed and outpaced Whites in the territory naturally. Fucking morons.
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There were never many Mexicans there. There were about 20,000 people in the whole of the Mexican Cession. Maybe 500 families total in Los Angeles. It was mostly empty desert and Indian tribes.
 
I know it won't happen but I'm praying that tonight once the crowd is kettled the National Guard declares an illegal assembly. At this point, the authorities turn on the floodlights to their full beam, and "NIGGA HEIL HITLER" starts blasting from a massive lorry speaker system. National Guard then start cracking heads with their batons as the song of white boy summer pumps out inot the LA night sky
 
I genuinely have no idea what Trump is talking about when he says LA would be burning if he hadn't sent in the natty guard. They can legally only protect fed buildings and fed workers. All the arrests and police action has been LAPD, LASD, highway authority and other local groups as far as I know.

He's also alternating between "if we hadn't intervened it would have been bad" and "there was endless looting last night". Isn't that already bad?

What even is his strategy here. Piss off Gavin enough that he has a melty on live TV?
For a guy who says a lot of bold things, Trump really does pussy down when even an ounce of pressure is against him. Like come on, dude, you want to ravage this country to make it great? You go all the damn way and not say you will. That's how you change shit.

If anything, this is what will actually make him lose supporters. Because his supporters are with him because they believed he's the guy to do things and get them done. If he continues saying things and not doing them and only just to make people cry through words and pussy-footing, his voterbase will turn on him and go out to find someone else who will do what he couldn't.
 
You can laugh at it, but its the same kinda warfare that chased the Soviets and Americans out of Afghanistan
  • Nobody "chased" us out of Afghanistan. There were more training accidents than combat deaths in the last years of the war. The withdrawal was haphazard and chaotic because President Biden moved it up with zero warning and thus zero time to organize.
  • The Soviets were chased out of Afghanistan via America-provided anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles.
  • The main killer of Russians in Syria was the American military.
Plucky rebels with weapons cobbled together out of string and paint cans are a romantic figure that appeals to our David and Goliath sensibilities, but the reality is much more boring. Modern weapons kick the shit out of your Fallout-style jerry-rigged crap, always have, always will.
 
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you missed the arc where they insisted that getting married to a woman you love and adoring her little quirks was gay
Peak lunacy when you count the weird seething about Wifejak later on.

Almost womanlike if you ignore the threats of rape towards the only female Groyper and her daughter for getting uncomfortable with the Wife-hate
 
i wish we could split the timeline to call mexico's bluff on annexing the western united states and to see the face on illegals calling for it when it actually happens and cant just be used as an excuse to stay with whitey longer, and maybe offload a few nigger filled eastern territories on them too for boot. because you now if we had a biden that just signed back over the mexican concession the same people shouting fuck you stolen land would be begging to go with the colonizers back east, because they know mexican kind wont develop the incredible wealth and opportunity of the american west.
Israel-Palestine really scared the shit out of them didn't it? Guessing they genuinely thought the migrants would sympathize with the Holocaust narrative, only for all of them to turn and support total Jew death once the conflict started.

Not sure who/what this specific group is though...
iirc alot still voted liberal and even a more trump supporting israel population still supports ideas like multiculturalism and importing swarthes to europe, i think they still think they can use the same tactics to enslave whites on browns. problem is a nigger doesnt care if hes been fired hell just go on welfare or steal. a monkey dont need no 401k as hes not even expecting to live that long. spics are probably descended from the mix of the aztecs and the same spainards who punted the jews ffs. arabs? i really dont know why they thought al andalus 2 would work, yeah arabs were more (openly at least probably less gay in actuality) gay then and gave you a hedonistic multicultural paradise for you to do usury in, ya kinda blew that when you started bragging about raping and nuking their babies for fun. that kinda soured their opinions on you vs when you were helpless and begging for mercy centuries ago and helped them out.
This reminds me of that fucking Buzzfeed video where Hispanics take DNA tests and people who'd pass as Spanish or Italian in Europe are unironically saying shit like "I hope I get 100% Mexican!". They are so fucking retarded it still regularly amazes me.
"You can't be all Mexican that's like being all mongrel" - the Judge
 
Newsom just needs to get the riots to stop. Then Trump will fuck off. That is how Newsom wins this.
The best case scenario for Newsom right now is for the riots to continue to agitate and have a protestor gunned down by a marine. Then he and the democratic establishment can say Trump has declared war on Americans and is using the military to kill Americans on American soil. Total rainbow time, never gonna happen scenario because the protestors would have to breach the LAPD, have no rioters felled by the LAPD during the breach and then have a marine look unhinged in dispensing lethal force which they aren't even carrying.

The second best scenario is trump pulls out the marines/then the riots stop, which is also never going to happen because the natty guard being there is not an unpopular move, so trump has no reason to pull out as long as his polls rise or riots stop. In the unlikely scenario trump shows his bluff first it would allow Gavin to posture that trump's antagonism caused the riots.
Trump is saying that is when he will pull the guard out. Newsom won't because he's a Patrick Bateman tier psychopath.
Newsom won't because the only thing outside of this that will get national attention is forest fire season where once again he will be on the national stage looking incompetent.
Are there federal agents involved in the LA riots? Or was it some rich leftist/antifag who handed out the masks?
Not mutually exclusive, so both. If you want to look at the dark money for protestors look up CHIRLA or the PSL, if you want to look for glowies look at picrel and ask yourself if the guy on the car is really a big misfits fan
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>have you even listened to London dungeon holmes
 
I need to point out all of this predates the federalist wars where Mexico was openly feuding with various places like Texas. We can't seriously sit and point fingers at the United States for the phenomenon you describe when animosity between colonists (not Americans at the time) and Mexico goes back much further. The Mexican government was fucking around on colonists who wanted to secede for decades, if you go back far enough any meddling in Mexico's government, for any reason, just looks like turnabout.
Tbf, it would be rather hypocritical to on one hand shit on the Trump admin's/patriotic response to modern day Mexicans-in-America (as there is clearly nothing American about the rioters, I do not think it would be accurate to dub them 'Mexican-Americans') wanting to embark on their Reconquista in large part via demographic replacement in the American Southwest, and on the other also shit on the Mexican authorities of the early 19th century for cracking down on Anglo colonists who tried to use the changing demographics of then-Tejas to affect secession & eventually annexation into the USA. Hell, those early American colonists in Texas even settled there legally with official grants & such from the Mexican government, which surely didn't know or care about what sorts of trouble they could cause down the road any more than the Californian agribusinesses that employed increasing numbers of Mexican workers (legal, illegal, it doesn't really matter in the long run does it, any more than it did for those Anglo-American colonists who went on to found Texas) in the 20th century did.

I don't believe they're in the right, but it's difficult to deny that the Mexicans have learned well re: the power of demographic replacement and increasingly hardening colonization in preparation for secession/annexation of a region they want from the Americans, as much as the Chinese have learned how to use drug trafficking to ruin their enemies from the Brits and are now putting those lessons to use via the fent crisis.
I beg to differ. Firstly Wilson was the sole reason Huerta came to power.
You're thinking of the wrong Wilson. Henry Lane Wilson, who was Taft's ambassador to Mexico, did have a hand in the Huertista coup against the feckless liberal president Madero. Woodrow Wilson was rabidly hostile to Huerta, refusing to recognize his presidency from day one & imposing a de facto blockade to stop him from importing weapons from outside powers like Germany, and autistically fixated on toppling him in the hopes of installing a friendly liberal-democratic regime in Mexico City (which was impossible, since basically all of the protagonists of the Mexican Revolution had seen how that failed under Madero even before Huerta ousted him, and consequently had no interest in such an outcome).
But even ignoring that, how did Chiang Kai Shek's authoritarian militaristic policies work in China?
Well it probably would've worked out a lot better than the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, if only Truman and Marshall hadn't held Chiang back at a critical moment in the Chinese Civil War and bought Mao valuable time to rearm & reorganize his forces right after WW2.
The PRI was realistically the best Mexico was ever going to get. At least until the 80s they did as good a job as anyone could have in protecting Mexicans from the excesses of neoliberalism. It took a LOT of balls to nationalize Mexican oil. And I know this kind of thing is not popular in America for ideological reasons but when you consider WHY Cardenas did this (Yankee oil companies were demanding to drill in Mexico without respecting labour laws and arrangements) you can't help but respect the choice. The PRI turned Mexico into one massive Hacienda, with the politicians as the Hacenderos. Why do you think they were washed away?
The PRI also laid down the roots for modern cartel intersection with the Mexican government at all levels via their massive corruption (with their state resource monopoly playing a huge role in creating opportunities for such corruption, even without overt American corporate influence), intersections which started cropping up like so many poisonous mushrooms in the '80s to '90s before they fell from power. I think an argument can also be made that their buckbreaking of the Mexican Catholic Church under Calles also hollowed out the spirit of the Mexican people, so to speak, and created a void that was easy for cartel-influenced death worship/reskinned Aztec traditions (Santa Muerte et al., which notably didn't become a big thing until recent decades and would've been unheard of in 19th-early 20th century Mexico) to fill in.

To avoid going down the route of intense alt-history sperging, I'll leave it at this: PRI rule had some upsides, but I firmly believe Mexico also would've been better off had they never come to power and, in fact, had the Mexican experiment with liberalism (and by extension all its fruits and outgrowths, including 20th-century socialism) been aborted altogether in the late 1850s, which would mean no opportunity for Calles, Cardenas, etc. to ever enter the pages of history in the first place.
Anyhow, that disagreement aside, your sentiment reminds me a lot about how the Russians speak about the Arabs. It is common knowledge that people like Putin believe that monarchies and authoritarian regimes are the only good fit for Arab culture.
I'm in agreement with that sentiment and I believe Trump is also, given his speech during the recent Middle Eastern trip which basically conceded the same point. I've witnessed enough catastrophically failed neocon/neolib 'nation building' adventures in my lifetime to know that Western liberal democracy is just a poor fit for some cultures & peoples, and only retards or snakes with shady ulterior motives (usually related to creating opportunities for themselves to pillage the natural resources in said peoples' lands with impunity) would still now insist on squandering ever more blood & dollars on globetrotting trying to force it on nations who have made it abundantly clear that they're not interested in or even capable of handling that system.
 
For a guy who says a lot of bold things, Trump really does pussy down when even an ounce of pressure is against him. Like come on, dude, you want to ravage this country to make it great? You go all the damn way and not say you will. That's how you change shit.

If anything, this is what will actually make him lose supporters. Because his supporters are with him because they believed he's the guy to do things and get them done. If he continues saying things and not doing them and only just to make people cry through words and pussy-footing, his voterbase will turn on him and go out to find someone else who will do what he couldn't.
I agree that Trump's supporters are noticing that he's been saying a lot of big stuff recently without actually backing it up, especially in regards to the LA riots, but I don't know if there is anyone else out there that voters would trust more than Trump. JD Vance, Marco Rubio, and RFK Jr. are the only other guys that I could see anyone having any trust in after Trump as it stands today.
 
tbf I don't think that guy is a groyper either
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At the current, I believe, 1500 deportations a day... we'll get to 500,000 this year if it stays steady. They want to up that to 3000 a day. So, let's call it 1 million this year.

I'm never going to defend Fed Catbois but that is not what "mass deportations" look like. This is going to roll us back to what, 2023 numbers?

Oh, and those deportations, since the administration openly says they want unlimited legal immigration, what are they going to do? Deport a trivial number then hand them green cards and let them right back in?

Bait. and. switch.
 
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