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StudMccool said:
wish someone would engage with the fact that in nazi germany WITH ALL THE POWERS OF THE STATE they got 6 million jews with 9.5 million starting in Europe in 1939

there is over 12 million illegal immigrants in the USA

Do I need to spell it our from there? Do you think hitler was just "lollygagging" or they were really bad and making the trains run efficiently? Or is it possible finding and moving a race of people who dont wanna be found and moved is kinda giant fuck off task?

Thats the rub is for all your rehotric and how easy it seems on paper we have actual documented historical evidence of exactly how many people a nation can get with the FULL BACKING OF THE NATION and we are very far removed from that level of top down unity and we are trying to move more people in a shorter span of time WITHOUT THE TRAINS
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These are fundamentally different situations.

A: The population has increased dramatically since then, there's more people to remove but proportionately even more people to do the removing. The US population is triple what it was in 1930. Add to that the USA has always been more populated than Germany. Germany's population in 1930 was 60 million, 6 million is 10% of that. 12 million is about 3% of the current US population.
B: Many of the jews living in germany had been there for generations and had nowhere else to go. These people are primarily here because of the gibs and ease of life, as well as the fact that many feel emboldened because they face no resistance they think it's fun to come here and conquer shit without being told no. A symbolic display of force will get many to leave on their own accord, as will cutting of the gibs. We're already seeing instances of this. LA is the heart and soul of the problem.
C: You have an odd obsession with trains. You realize cars and busses are a thing now right? They barely were in fuel starved 1930s Germany, not as a means of mass transportation.
D: It's easier to prove somebody is illegal than to prove they're jewish.
E: 1930s germany didn't have the internet, computers, census', social security numbers or anywhere near the technology and tracking capabilities we have today.
F: The bipartisan support for this is far stronger than one side is willing to let on. Time will prove me right no this.
 
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Breadbassket said:
From yesterday:
CNN's Brian Stelter says you shouldn't believe the riot videos on social media because they could be "hours old."

"You might see a video from 2 days ago!"

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Funny how quickly the legacy media wants you to question everything, unless put out by them, of course. Then, it's "trust the experts™".
 
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StudMccool said:
Does being similar in incarceration rate to turkey, Russia and Brazil not give you any pause or can you also explain away their numbers aswell?
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No, because unlike those countries, we have due process. We have more or less rational justice system that tries to perform its due diligence, get things right, and be impartial.

If someone is incarcerated in a US prison, you can generally be confident that they belong there. There are exceptions, of course, but they aren't being put in there on a whim.
 
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Ishtar said:
Star Wars is a modern mythology. (Much ironically as Lucas intended). It provides a moral and imaginative vocabulary for a lot of people.

Andor in particular is basically a show about left wing revolution in tandem with liberal reformist/entryism against fascists that are treated as ruthless but also pathetic minions of the machine.

It’s not surprising that it fits in their world view.

You may laugh and say Redditor or “read a history book”-but in a way this is very normal. Most people don’t base their politics on some deep informed study of historical exigencies and minutia-they get it from myths, from morality plays, from narratives. Humans are narrative and meaning seeking creatures. Rational debate over dates and historiography is alienating and frustrating to most people.

But fiction provides a symbolic format in which ideas and moral lessons may be encoded or absorbed. That speaks to people at a primal level far more effectively than a history lecture.
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I remember when andor was just seen as that one Star Wars show that had a minor cult following to it, now it’s treated as the fucking bible 2 for redditors.
 
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Nigger Cobson said:
Honestly we could've stayed in Iraq and Afghanistan forever if we really wanted, the issue is with with morale and public opinion. The real problem with the U.S when it comes to wars is not our martial capabilities but rather why we fight them. Afghanistan should've been a quick and easy thing to kill Osama bin Laden and punish the Taliban for harboring him while Iraq shouldn't have even been fought as Saddam provided a bulwark against both Salafi jihadism and Iranian influence.
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Militarily we dominated. Politicaly it was a crapshoot and not done right. It should have been simple and quick. Instead we engaged in nation building shenanigans.
Unnecessary Surgery Land said:
Sorry the threads been so fast can you fellow kiwis plz share your current stream? ty and god bless
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Ishtar said:
Star Wars is a modern mythology. (Much ironically as Lucas intended). It provides a moral and imaginative vocabulary for a lot of people.

Andor in particular is basically a show about left wing revolution in tandem with liberal reformist/entryism against fascists that are treated as ruthless but also pathetic minions of the machine.

It’s not surprising that it fits in their world view.

You may laugh and say Redditor or “read a history book”-but in a way this is very normal. Most people don’t base their politics on some deep informed study of historical exigencies and minutia-they get it from myths, from morality plays, from narratives. Humans are narrative and meaning seeking creatures. Rational debate over dates and historiography is alienating and frustrating to most people.

But fiction provides a symbolic format in which ideas and moral lessons may be encoded or absorbed. That speaks to people at a primal level far more effectively than a history lecture.
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I wasn't talking about George Lucas' Star Wars, that was a mythology. I was talking about Disney's Star Wars, which is propaganda not mythology. What you are describing is people being unknowingly influenced by propaganda.
 
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It doesn’t seem like this protest has spread much beyond LA. Wherein there are deeply entrenched illegals-probably 40% of the population minimum.

Will we get another Floyd summer? Maybe? The Floyd riots escalated within 5-10 days from even conservatives thinking Chauvin went too far too “overturn White civilization now!”.

It doesn’t seem this has happened-you have even liberals who come across as very uncomfortable with the Mexican flag waving. Probably because Mexicans aren’t the same sacrificial victim-gods the way blacks are in modern American culture.

I could be wrong-but I don’t think we’ll see more than scattered protests and maybe some escalation in California proper.
 
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