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Kendall Motor Oil said:
He'd have to get it in a smaller distro like those that ditched systemd.
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jeff7989 said:
Apparently r*ddit jannies are sweeping any mention of Xlibre. I'm really curious whether anything will come out of this fork since I can't be bothered with Wayland on my desktop.
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The trouble is, if you look at some of his code PRs .. the criticism are legit. They're not great. Now are they worse than Hyprland's trampoline/plugin system? .. probably not?

Kendall Motor Oil said:
I doubt it will go anywhere because you have to recompile your video drivers, iirc. He'd have to get it in a smaller distro like those that ditched systemd.
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The unstable ABI between everything in Linux has been an eternal plague for backwards comparability, but good for open source/forcing recompiles. macOS has larger breakage with every release when it comes to closed stuff. Someone might create a Gentoo overlay for Xlibre, which would be a good first step.

Don Yagon said:
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This project NEEDS MAJOR REGRESSION TESTS and CI if it intends to not be a short-lived total piece of shit. Toolkits that have been around forever like Qt5/Gtk3 should never break. Let's see if this dev is really worth his muster or a total worthless asshole.
 
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HootersMcBoobies said:
This project NEEDS MAJOR REGRESSION TESTS and CI if it intends to not be a short-lived total piece of shit. Toolkits that have been around forever like Qt5/Gtk3 should never break. Let's see if this dev is really worth his muster or a total worthless asshole.
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I think the good news on that front is that his repo already has a bunch of PRs submitted. If he can find one or two people to help him to moderate that, he has a good shot in my estimation. This proves to me that X11 is only "dead" because freedesktop wishes it were so.

I'm a little torn reading through the threads on gitlab. Yeah, it seems like his contributions are lower priority and possibly not worth ABI breakage. At the same time, I very much appreciate the point he makes here:
[...] At that point it became apparent to me that adding new features doesn't make much sense right now, until we at least have some stable, reliable and easily understandable code base. And that in turn is a lot to do and it's best done in small, easily digestible (and bisectable) steps. I'm really not the guy of blaming anybody for writing bad code in the, otherwise I could have easily pointed fingers to folks who caused a lot of this mess themselves and later writing blog posts about how bad the code is and why we instead invent something entirely new (which now is still unfinished after 15 years while declaring core features of X11 pretty much void). In case somebody wondering whether I might have some secret mission. No, a public one instead: make X11 great again. [...]
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(link, a)

MAGA sperging aside, I think this makes his approach seem more understandable. Everyone complains that X11 is a tower of duct tape piece of shit to work with, but as soon as someone tries to step in and do light janny duties to make it a little nicer, they are excommunicated by freedesktop???

I just hope that at some point soon he develops a proper roadmap for this fork. Imagine if an X11 fork fixes all the problems Wayland freaks have perennially complained about (multiple monitors, tearing, mixed refresh rate, etc.) before Wayland is fully usable. They will have to be put in a psych ward from seething too hard.
 
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I am relatively new in linux drama (and in linux in general) What happened between freedesktop and X11? Troon infestation aside
 
It's become a fun pasttime of mine whenever I see a cute girly avatar on GitHub/etc. to click through and see if I can figure out who the poster is. Probably 90% of the time it's a trans person.

I'm starting to think the way we got "Women in Code" is to get former men to fill the shoes. When I see semi-autistic efforts like writing your own video driver from scratch for an obscure platform, that seems like it's almost always something that a male would want to do.

There definitely are women coders out there but I think it's a shockingly high number of them that used to be male.
 
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Rancid Xylitol said:
There definitely are women coders out there but I think it's a shockingly high number of them that used to be male.
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The relatively rare actual "Women in Code" appear to prefer to do actually useful stuff and not absolutely useless bullshit only a cock-chopped retard would even want to do.
 
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Rancid Xylitol said:
It's become a fun pasttime of mine whenever I see a cute girly avatar on GitHub/etc. to click through and see if I can figure out who the poster is. Probably 90% of the time it's a trans person.

I'm starting to think the way we got "Women in Code" is to get former men to fill the shoes. When I see semi-autistic efforts like writing your own video driver from scratch for an obscure platform, that seems like it's almost always something that a male would want to do.

There definitely are women coders out there but I think it's a shockingly high number of them that used to be male.
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that would be a really novel observation in 2017
 
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Rancid Xylitol said:
I'm starting to think the way we got "Women in Code" is to get former men to fill the shoes. When I see semi-autistic efforts like writing your own video driver from scratch for an obscure platform, that seems like it's almost always something that a male would want to do.
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Troonery and autism go in hand, you leave an autist exposed to the internet, especially porn and he will try to become a girl. Ive seen that, IRL, at least three times with the "autistic, alone computer toucher" type. And its not correlated to homosexualism all of those guys were straight, thats why they all claim to be lesbians because they still want to fuck women. The pipeline meme is real.

Despite that, there are real women in coding and IT. They almost always do their jobs dutifully and don't poke their heads out. There are two reasons as far as I know from having talked with some female programmers/IT
- They want to be treated equally to men and not given bonus points for having a pair of tits, so they don't boast they are women
- Claiming to be a real woman on the internet gets a lot of creeps messaging and stalking you, so its best to not disclose the sex, ditto. This also means they don't have selfies in profile pictures.

The only ones which do boast they are women, usually have a bunch of pride flags, labels and pronouns tacked on, so they often dont consider themselves women anyway (or are pozzed in some other way).

Which leads to the current situation, that all profiles which claim to be women are either men in dresses, or men who dont even bother to put on a dress, or crazy FtM or trans-ally women who likely dont consider themselves "women"

Now you mix that with all the pro-diversity and DEI initiatives, and you get exactly the current situation - it was better for companies to make the nerds take HRT and check the "woman" box than hire a real woman.

TLDR Rule 30: Girls do not exist on the internet.
 
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Redeemer said:
This proves to me that X11 is only "dead" because freedesktop wishes it were so.
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It never was, because wayland just isn't that useful. Just because freedesktop says it is, doesn't mean that it is. I never stopped using X and it's never been a problem.

I mentioned it before in the linux thread and also here - there's a bunch of patches in X's master that fix a lot of the longstanding issues people have with it, e.g. screen tearing. They just never got merged into a proper release so distributions never picked them up. This is on purpose. A lot of the problems wayland was intended to solve over X are either worse in wayland (or to be technically more correct - in the various interpretations and addons of the wayland protocol) now or have since been solved in X. Wayland is objectively a failure in what it was set out to solve and is only held up by the egos of the maintainers. Hence the censorship you see now. Sounds familiar? Same thing with systemd, pulseaudio etc..

My guess the next step in attempting to kill off X will be to make GUI toolkits like gtk etc. incompatible to it. We will see how this goes for them.

The success of xlibre doesn't really hinge on the code quality of one maintainer (I think there will be more with time) but on the guys willingness to take continued abuse by the programmer socks tranny faction (and everyone who reads this knows - they fight dirty) and his social skills in making competent people that want to work with him work with him and also on his willingness to take advice how to handle such a project. Lots of good people out there that just needs to be organized. So in short he doesn't need to be a good programmer, he just needs to have an autistic, Null-like dedication to stick to his guns. I can't say if he has what it takes or if this whole thing will just fizzle out in three weeks. I do hope he does, though.
 
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AmpleApricots said:
The success of xlibre doesn't really hinge on the code quality of one maintainer (I think there will be more with time) but on the guys willingness to take continued abuse by the programmer socks tranny faction (and everyone who reads this knows - they fight dirty) and his social skills in making competent people that want to work with him work with him and also on his willingness to take advice how to handle such a project. Lots of good people out there that just needs to be organized. So in short he doesn't need to be a good programmer, he just needs to have an autistic, Null-like dedication to stick to his guns. I can't say if he has what it takes or if this whole thing will just fizzle out in three weeks. I do hope he does, though.
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With the head dev of ArtiX having already explicitly mentioned keeping a close eye on xlibre's development, I have a feeling they might get into more direct collaboration. Support from a project like that would certainly make maintaining and developing Xlibre much more feasible.
 
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Especially with the footnigger announcement about tighter coupling to systemd, alternate administrations for managing X are going to hit the bigtime from the anti-systemd crew as well. This is probably why freedesktop footniggers went thermonuclear on xlibre, because the systemd coupling was being discussed already, and a stable alternative adminstration for X would interfere.

Is the xlibre faggot the chosen one? I am suspicious. He'll need to put a team together. But maybe...
 
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