Furry Fandom and Drama General

[Mimic]

It has a lot to do with the five geek social fallacies, I'd imagine. Can't ostracize lest be just as bad as everyone else, etc..

 

[sbm1990]

Actually most are proud SJWs.

There lies the main problem of this fandom, not counting the deviancy of course.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

It has a lot to do with the five geek social fallacies, I'd imagine. Can't ostracize lest be just as bad as everyone else, etc..

And there I was thinking geeks meant people who were good at physics.

Actually, it means people who'd sooner sit next to a grown man who's shat himself than tell him to piss off.

 

[Reynard]

Actually most are proud furfags and proud SJWs.

There is a list of some, but the info is years old and the blog owner considers non-binary and Tumblr-asexuality to be valid. There's at least one familiar face in there too.

I wouldn't say most. Most seem to be somewhere in between, from my experience, but a lot of them do lean to the left.
I've had a few of the SJW ones argue with me before. I was somehow able to talk this one into a corner to where he used evidence proven false by the FBI to excuse Omar Mateen from having murdered around fifty people in a gay nightclub. You know, a group that furries have a lot of in their ranks and SJWs also claim to defend. And I've got the chatlogs to prove it.

Spoiler: Astounding Levels of Autism

He claims that I thought that human lives were worth less than property, despite the fact that I was simply saying that more violence has been coming from one side (Antifa, Islam, etc.) these days. Apparently saying that white Christian men aren't the biggest threat to the world means I'm a white supremacist (which he called me despite the fact that I said that I don't care about race) and even once said that he wasn't going to provide proof because one source with a reputation for lying lately didn't convince me. I don't consider myself good at debating, but I somehow managed to get this guy to say some crazy shit. With beliefs like this, he might as well have his own thread if he posts enough about it on his tumblr (I couldn't tell you what it is, unfortunately, I just remember him having one).

I remember there being a white guy from Brazil leaving a telegram group after a casual black stereotype joke, only for the black guy in the group to be like "Why'd he leave?" I find it amazing that most SJWs are offended for people that aren't them.

So why don't furries do that? A lot of them seem to whine about how they're stereotyped as deviants, but if they want to drop that image they need to stop said deviants from attending their conventions.

Perhaps it would be more fair (or at least easier) to simply not allow said deviants to partake in degenerate activities at said cons. To my knowledge, most of them are like that. Though Rainfurrest is another story. There's a reason it's not around anymore, and that's because they didn't have any goddamn standards for what you did in the public spaces. Hell, most furries I've talked to would go on nonstop about how ashamed they are to be even remotely connected to babyfurs and the people who ran/attended Rainfurrest.

Honestly, one of the biggest issues I have with the fandom as a whole is the lack of self-awareness and the desire to be accepted as an oddity in society, as if they can't simply say "Yeah, this is who I am, it's weird, but eh, whatever," or parade their fetishes everywhere they go. I don't really care what someone's into for the most part, but is it really that hard to keep that stuff to yourself and people with the same interest? To my knowledge it was starting to move in that direction, but with SJWs invading the fandom, I feel that progress will be erased.

 

[DinosaursNotHipsters]

I wouldn't say most. Most seem to be somewhere in between, from my experience, but a lot of them do lean to the left.
I've had a few of the SJW ones argue with me before. I was somehow able to talk this one into a corner to where he used evidence proven false by the FBI to excuse Omar Mateen from having murdered around fifty people in a gay nightclub. You know, a group that furries have a lot of in their ranks and SJWs also claim to defend. And I've got the chatlogs to prove it.

Spoiler: Astounding Levels of Autism

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He claims that I thought that human lives were worth less than property, despite the fact that I was simply saying that more violence has been coming from one side (Antifa, Islam, etc.) these days. Apparently saying that white Christian men aren't the biggest threat to the world means I'm a white supremacist (which he called me despite the fact that I said that I don't care about race) and even once said that he wasn't going to provide proof because one source with a reputation for lying lately didn't convince me. I don't consider myself good at debating, but I somehow managed to get this guy to say some crazy shit. With beliefs like this, he might as well have his own thread if he posts enough about it on his tumblr (I couldn't tell you what it is, unfortunately, I just remember him having one).

I remember there being a white guy from Brazil leaving a telegram group after a casual black stereotype joke, only for the black guy in the group to be like "Why'd he leave?" I find it amazing that most SJWs are offended for people that aren't them.


Perhaps it would be more fair (or at least easier) to simply not allow said deviants to partake in degenerate activities at said cons. To my knowledge, most of them are like that. Though Rainfurrest is another story. There's a reason it's not around anymore, and that's because they didn't have any goddamn standards for what you did in the public spaces. Hell, most furries I've talked to would go on nonstop about how ashamed they are to be even remotely connected to babyfurs and the people who ran/attended Rainfurrest.

Honestly, one of the biggest issues I have with the fandom as a whole is the lack of self-awareness and the desire to be accepted as an oddity in society, as if they can't simply say "Yeah, this is who I am, it's weird, but eh, whatever," or parade their fetishes everywhere they go. I don't really care what someone's into for the most part, but is it really that hard to keep that stuff to yourself and people with the same interest? To my knowledge it was starting to move in that direction, but with SJWs invading the fandom, I feel that progress will be erased.

A bit of irony is that among the people who call out the more degenerate aspects of the fandom are sjws/sjw leaning such as Uncle Kage. Shitlords(the ones who can draw) tend to just see them as another avenue for profit because who cares about personal dignity when you can make $100+ drawing a bunch of diaper shtting dog men, right?

 

[JFKdestroyer]

So why don't furries do that? A lot of them seem to whine about how they're stereotyped as deviants, but if they want to drop that image they need to stop said deviants from attending their conventions.

It's pretty hard when these deviants sit on the organizing boards of the conventions or are friends of people that do.

When a babyfur is heading up the security team at one con, they're probably going to be a lot more lenient with their "friends" deciding to walk around in their soiled Huggies than another con where someone with some common sense and decency is in charge of security.

I remember during the news coverage of the Midwest Furfest Chlorine incident of 2014, there was a clip of video that showed up on some news outlets of people wearing bondage/pup play gear walking out of the hotel. I was there and remember seeing these people walking around in public like that. Guess what the con chair and several other board members are in to? If you guessed "pup play" you're right!!!

 

[DinosaursNotHipsters]

Just came across this http://cs11249.userapi.com/u97149546/135144494/z_4b5284d9.jpg
Whoever made this does not realize that
1.Most furry art is nowhere near industry standard
2.Example pic is NOT industry standard
3.In industry, the client gets more rights to the commission to use for profit
4.Most furry art is nowhere near industry standard, especially the popufur shit

THIS is the higher end of Industry standard

 

[AssRock]

Another thing about that image that has always bugged me is that industry artists are expected to be able to draw a wide variety of subjects, not solely cater to a niche and draw nothing but furries. If you can only draw one thing and have only drawn those things, your value as an artist tends to greatly decrease.

 

[Trilby]

Another thing about that image that has always bugged me is that industry artists are expected to be able to draw a wide variety of subjects, not solely cater to a niche and draw nothing but furries. If you can only draw one thing and have only drawn those things, your value as an artist tends to greatly decrease.

And I suppose that's the irony in all this.

 

[DinosaursNotHipsters]

Another thing about that image that has always bugged me is that industry artists are expected to be able to draw a wide variety of subjects, not solely cater to a niche and draw nothing but furries. If you can only draw one thing and have only drawn those things, your value as an artist tends to greatly decrease.

Sad part is is that many furry artist do make quite a bit of money while having rather subpar skills; an artist who draws undertale porn for a living probably makes more than an animator in Japan(some of whom make under $10000 a year)

Also standards have seemed to come down in the fandom as well

Years ago, Blotch was the most popular artist, and I'll say, they surpass Industry standards because they can draw and paint well, rather photobashing shit together like many artists are doing to day(though thats because the two artists that own the name are both professionals in the industry)

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/blotch

 

[Reynard]

A bit of irony is that among the people who call out the more degenerate aspects of the fandom are sjws/sjw leaning such as Uncle Kage. Shitlords(the ones who can draw) tend to just see them as another avenue for profit because who cares about personal dignity when you can make $100+ drawing a bunch of diaper shtting dog men, right?

Unfortunately, yeah. Some people have standards, but to my knowledge, they usually aren't making the big bucks. Even though stuff like babyfurs is a minority, they're willing to shill out the big bucks to see their fantasy come to life, hence why you see it everywhere. Or at least that's my theory. I'm not gonna say the fandom doesn't have degenerates (and I could care less about most of them), but I DO feel that it's overblown. Regardless, there are artists that I learned through friends actually will draw anything because money is money. On the daiper stuff, though, almost every fur I know sees babyfurs as gross and mocks them. It's really unfortunate that the babyfurs are more noticed than the people who call them out on that shit, but it's the way vocal minorities seem to work in any group they're a part of.

Sad part is is that many furry artist do make quite a bit of money while having rather subpar skills; an artist who draws undertale porn for a living probably makes more than an animator in Japan(some of whom make under $10000 a year)

I'll have to both agree and disagree. There are a ton of bad artists that make a living off of it, such as bbmbbf (of Palcomics/Ashchu infamy), but there are a number great artists in there. I'd say that it's no different than any other platform or group of artists that allows anyone to post their drawings. Most of it will be shit, but there will still be plenty of talented ones. You just ave to find them.
I will say, though, one of the things that angers about what you said about someone making that money from Undertale porn is that they're making money by doing something they didn't even create. Sure, you can argue that it's "transformative," but I still feel that it's falling into the trap that fanworks will get more attention than any time someone tries to make their own thing.

Years ago, Blotch was the most popular artist, and I'll say, they surpass Industry standards because they can draw and paint well, rather photobashing shit together like many artists are doing to day(though thats because the two artists that own the name are both professionals in the industry)

It's unfortunate that they aren't the biggest artists in there, anymore, but I heard they had somewhat of a falling out at one point. I think I heard they made up, but I can't be certain.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

It's pretty hard when these deviants sit on the organizing boards of the conventions or are friends of people that do.

When a babyfur is heading up the security team at one con, they're probably going to be a lot more lenient with their "friends" deciding to walk around in their soiled Huggies than another con where someone with some common sense and decency is in charge of security.

I remember during the news coverage of the Midwest Furfest Chlorine incident of 2014, there was a clip of video that showed up on some news outlets of people wearing bondage/pup play gear walking out of the hotel. I was there and remember seeing these people walking around in public like that. Guess what the con chair and several other board members are in to? If you guessed "pup play" you're right!!!

That's pretty much what I think. Deviants aren't excluded because the organisers themselves are deviants, and deviants make up a large proportion of the furry community.

 

[AnOminous]

So why don't furries do that? A lot of them seem to whine about how they're stereotyped as deviants, but if they want to drop that image they need to stop said deviants from attending their conventions.

So what you're saying is 99% of furries give the rest a bad name. They could do this, I suppose, but I doubt like 3 dudes would fill a convention hall.

Sad part is is that many furry artist do make quite a bit of money while having rather subpar skills; an artist who draws undertale porn for a living probably makes more than an animator in Japan(some of whom make under $10000 a year)

This generally involves being willing to cater to the most degenerate, soul-crushingly awful fetishes, though.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

So what you're saying is 99% of furries give the rest a bad name. They could do this, I suppose, but I doubt like 3 dudes would fill a convention hall.



This generally involves being willing to cater to the most degenerate, soul-crushingly awful fetishes, though.

Making $10,000 a year is pretty dismal anyway. Much better to skip the cartoons/furry fetish porn and do a real job.

That would, of course, require you not to suffer from severe autism.

 

[Reynard]

That's pretty much what I think. Deviants aren't excluded because the organisers themselves are deviants, and deviants make up a large proportion of the furry community.

I'll never understand how anyone could parade that shit in the public eye. That's personal business that happens in private. Keep it there. Hell, even if I was a deviant, I would never parade that shit in public and would tell others not to either. Maybe I'm just a private person, who knows.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I'll never understand how anyone could parade that shit in the public eye.

:autism:

 

[Reynard]

:autism:

Point made. That, or insecurity. Probably both. For some reason, people insecure about things will shove it in people's faces in desperate attempts to get approval for something that belongs in private, only for it to backfire.

 

[drain]

Honestly, one of the biggest issues I have with the fandom as a whole is the lack of self-awareness and the desire to be accepted as an oddity in society, as if they can't simply say "Yeah, this is who I am, it's weird, but eh, whatever," or parade their fetishes everywhere they go. I don't really care what someone's into for the most part, but is it really that hard to keep that stuff to yourself and people with the same interest?

I'll be totally honest with you: I have a extremely negative view about this culture. To a point wich if someone say to me they're furry, I nope the fuck out.
But now I see that this radical view is wrong, you're a cool dude.
My negative feelings towards furries can be explained by what you said above: lack of self-awareness and the "look at me im super weird murrr rawr" general attitude. I don't like people who force their lifestyles down my throat. I don't like people who can't contain their shit in public and do things like the ones on Rainfurrest.
But thannk you for being a chill guy and talking reasonable. I'm getting to know good people who happens to be furries while my time on the Farms, and thats a good thing. I like to hear another points of view or life experiences, it helps me grow as a person.

 

[Trilby]

I'll be totally honest with you: I have a extremely negative view about this culture. To a point wich if someone say to me they're furry, I nope the fuck out.
But now I see that this radical view is wrong, you're a cool dude.
My negative feelings towards furries can be explained by what you said above: lack of self-awareness and the "look at me im super weird murrr rawr" general attitude. I don't like people who force their lifestyles down my throat. I don't like people who can't contain their shit in public and do things like the ones on Rainfurrest.
But thannk you for being a chill guy and talking reasonable. I'm getting to know good people who happens to be furries while my time on the Farms, and thats a good thing. I like to hear another points of view or life experiences, it helps me grow as a person.

It helps all of us. I would say there are a very small portion of us who simply have the common sense necessary to see the differences between good and bad in this fandom.

 

[Reynard]

@Reynard if you can't go on tumblr, make an account on Furvilla. it's a young pet game which made the fatal mistake of being advertised primarily on tumblr as opposed to furry sites, so it's a cesspool of tumblr furs and has maybe a 5% user retention rate at best because of that.

Just sit back and observe the shit that goes down on the forums. It's beautiful.

I'll have to do that, then. Thanks for the heads up!

I'll be totally honest with you: I have a extremely negative view about this culture. To a point wich if someone say to me they're furry, I nope the fuck out.
But now I see that this radical view is wrong, you're a cool dude.
My negative feelings towards furries can be explained by what you said above: lack of self-awareness and the "look at me im super weird murrr rawr" general attitude. I don't like people who force their lifestyles down my throat. I don't like people who can't contain their shit in public and do things like the ones on Rainfurrest.
But thannk you for being a chill guy and talking reasonable. I'm getting to know good people who happens to be furries while my time on the Farms, and thats a good thing. I like to hear another points of view or life experiences, it helps me grow as a person.

Damn. That makes me proud. I figured I was just some asshole on the internet who thought he was chill and reasonable but turns out he's just an asshole. I guess I'm not.

Perhaps I'm just a person who enjoys his privacy, but even if I did have weird fetishes, it's just astounding that people don't think it's weird or abnormal. It really angers me when people just introduce themselves with a list of what they get off to. I'm pretty desensitized to degenerate fetishes and honestly don't care if someone has them or posts them on their profile because there's an audience for it, but I WILL get angry if you let that one facet of yourself take over the entirety of you and you need everyone to accept it. Flanderization isn't good in fiction, and it's horrifying in reality. Just keep it to the places it belongs, sites where it's allowed or meant to be posted, friends, yourself, etc. I don't care. Though in that same sense, I should be allowed to mock it and laugh, because there are plenty of fetishes that are fun to laugh at. There's no malice in that, for me anyway. Fantasy is fantasy, but learn to take a joke and be aware of the fact that your fantasies can be weird/funny/fucked up. Self-awareness goes a long way in my book. Perhaps I'm in between the "don't kinkshame" and the "this is disgusting" mindsets. Weird fetishes that are impossible in reality just don't really get to me. I feel they're not worth getting angry at unless someone is trying to push it down your throat or you see it everywhere or where it's not supposed to be.

Yeah, there's an autistic rambling for you guys. TL;DR - Weird fetishes don't really bother me as long as you don't announce it everywhere publicly, be aware that it's weird, and learn to take a joke.