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Is it really a pants shitting all caps pure rage issue if some mexicans at a certain farm get investigated and found to not be dangerous or bad people or drug addicts and instead are good people who have worked hard on those farms (which has helped America regardless of race or whatever issues you have it's a fact that these farms help America) for over 30 years, given citizenship and allowed to stay as long as they start paying taxes? How many Mexicans would we even be talking about in this hypothetical? It's not like it's an entire state of Mexicans being granted amnesty like certain other presidents have done in the past.

It seems like only an autist groyper would be upset by this at all. Did you people forget about the post about how legal Mexican immigrants that work hard support Trump and his agenda 100%? Why would you deport people who are of value and are willing to pay taxes instead of deporting rioting rapists and retards?
Agricultural workers already have special work visas. There's a dedicated program for the people who work in the fields. The entire "who will pick your vegetables!" canard is 100% bullshit.
 
Should and reality are different. Who do you suggest picks up the slack immediately? There isn't enough time.
I already said temp worker visas that expire. I suggested south Africans to pick up the long term slack, mostly as a joke, but you could do rolling expirations on the visa to slowly decrease the number of spic workers over time and let the farmers gradually replace them.
Only thing is 100% of the visas above the current cap have to expire before Trump is out of office.
There are actually ways to go about this without amnesty.
 
Is it really a pants shitting all caps pure rage issue if some mexicans at a certain farm get investigated and found to not be dangerous or bad people or drug addicts and instead are good people who have worked hard on those farms (which has helped America regardless of race or whatever issues you have it's a fact that these farms help America) for over 30 years, given citizenship and allowed to stay as long as they start paying taxes? How many Mexicans would we even be talking about in this hypothetical? It's not like it's an entire state of Mexicans being granted amnesty like certain other presidents have done in the past.

It seems like only an autist groyper would be upset by this at all. Did you people forget about the post about how legal Mexican immigrants that work hard support Trump and his agenda 100%? Why would you deport people who are of value and are willing to pay taxes instead of deporting rioting rapists and retards?
I have mixed feelings about some of them staying, I'm sort of pissed the deportation numbers aren't much much higher. start hitting a couple hundred thousand deported a month and I might be willing to be flexible on the "good ones" staying.
 
A couple of months back, I emailed Trump's White House site and suggested a few things that would help convince Americans to take seasonal jobs such as farm work.

1. Let able-bodied EBT/Medicaid recipients work the harvest season without penalizing their gibs. Just let them keep the money from part-time temporary agricultural work. This may be appropriate for hospitality in some cases, if it's genuinely seasonal. The "part time temporary" qualification should be mandatory for this program.

2. No taxes on seasonal work.

3. Let seasonal work count for work requirements for government programs.

I'm interested to see if his "dealing with it" involves any of these things.

There's a lot of talk in California about bringing back the Braseros program, which gave wetbacks 4-month visas to work the harvest season, and it DID work---in 1958. It wouldn't work any more; none of them would go back nowadays.

We need to incentivize these jobs for Americans, starting with fair wages. There is no job that "Americans won't do" if it's properly compensated. There are Americans plumbing shit-stopped pipes in 100 degree weather right now, because being a plumber pays. Don't try to tell me that Americans won't pick a little fruit if they're given the opportunity and the money that the job merits.
One big factor in not wanting to give Americans these jobs is also treatment. It's not just the pay. There are plenty of teens, young adults, and drifter types comfortable taking pay under the table. But you can't treat them like dogshit. So the gubmint doesn't get their "fair share" of some agricultural work? No one has ever really cared if you pay some college kid under the table to pick your strawberries and shit. But they just love the idea of it being low key slave labor and how destructive it is to locals. That's all.
 
1. Let able-bodied EBT/Medicaid recipients work the harvest season without penalizing their gibs. Just let them keep the money from part-time temporary agricultural work.
I think you need to seriously recalibrate your understanding of Sharniqua and Dontrevius and whether they'd be willing to leave grandmuhmah's house to go pick cotton for pennies a day.
 
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A couple of months back, I emailed Trump's White House site and suggested a few things that would help convince Americans to take seasonal jobs such as farm work.

1. Let able-bodied EBT/Medicaid recipients work the harvest season without penalizing their gibs. Just let them keep the money from part-time temporary agricultural work. This may be appropriate for hospitality in some cases, if it's genuinely seasonal. The "part time temporary" qualification should be mandatory for this program.

2. No taxes on seasonal work.

3. Let seasonal work count for work requirements for government programs.

I'm interested to see if his "dealing with it" involves any of these things.

There's a lot of talk in California about bringing back the Braseros program, which gave wetbacks 4-month visas to work the harvest season, and it DID work---in 1958. It wouldn't work any more; none of them would go back nowadays.

We need to incentivize these jobs for Americans, starting with fair wages. There is no job that "Americans won't do" if it's properly compensated. There are Americans plumbing shit-stopped pipes in 100 degree weather right now, because being a plumber pays. Don't try to tell me that Americans won't pick a little fruit if they're given the opportunity and the money that the job merits.
As I mentioned earlier, as labor costs go up farms shift to less labor intesive forms of agriculture e.g. beef cattle. Or plants that don't require pickers.

People have an idea that the type of labor intensive farming has to always be that way. It doesn't. ANd some farms can become something else entirely. There are other uses for land.
 
The economy is so bad business owners can't update anything. Bribing and corruption are ubiquitous. The IRGC gets all the funding and the rest gets sent to proxies, nuclear and missile development. They are a one-trick pony.

Their entire air force is made up of old MIG 29s, and leftover F-14 Tomcats.

All they have are S300 and the native Bavar-373 (allegedly as good as the S400) to defend themselves with with some Pantsir s1's. I suspect its partially why they bury their bases so deep underground. Its cheaper.

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But Middle East Spectator on Telegram is always talking about how Iran is #1 in literally everything and is the epicenter of technology in the Middle East! True Promise 3 is coming any day now!
 
I don't know why everyone's acting like some groyper pedo is saying anything that Trump himself didn't Tweet out four hours ago when no one cared.
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Is this really any different than the shit Trump has been saying for the past decade?
It's just the standard "we want to focus on criminals, instead of people working jobs," which is what anyone who voted for Trump should have voted for. There are so many illegals who are criminals and/or on our own welfare that it will take the rest of Trump's term to get rid of them. And that group is also the vast majority of them. Once those are out, then we figure out what to do with the remainders. Or, if we manage to rescind birthright citizenship, what to do with their kids/grandkids.

This is just a PR statement to rebuff claims like he's "arresting children at their graduation." Which maybe he is, maybe he isn't. The point of it is still one piece of trying to turn the narrative of him going after "innocent" people towards "look at these criminals and their supporters fucking up major cities because I'm coming after them."

Also, remember to take everything, positive and negative, said by Trump with a gallon of salt. The guy will say shit to move the needle one way or another.
 
Yes. "If I'm a good enough slave the law will excuse me" is not a precedent you want to set. Please have a backbone.
Are they getting peanuts for pay or are they getting full wages? Are they willing to start paying taxes? If you pay taxes and get full wages you aren't a slave and these mexicans working at these farms Trump is talking about don't appear to be Home Depot spics looking for cheap work, working on these farms is literally their career just like many white farmers. Your logic is that every US citizen is a slave because we have jobs, get paychecks, and pay taxes. I guess only neets aren't slaves then? I trust that Trump and Stephen Miller know what they are talking about when it comes to immigration and that anyone granted any amnesty will be well vetted.

I think we should have our priorities straight with this immigration shit when we have literally millions of them to deport. And no matter how many of them Trump and Miller deport no one will ever be satisfied with the numbers as we've seen. The only thing that would satisfy groyper types 4chan holocaust memes for browns brought to life. We need to deport cartel rapists, murderers, thieves, and freeloaders first. Mexicans that work and pay taxes have proven that they are a big ally to Trump. It's retarded to see that data and all the redditors seething because the vast majority of mexicans support Trump just to then not even show them some appreciation when this demographic is making it clear that they want to work with America and not against it.
 
Gov. Ron DeSantis says that Floridians are ALLOWED to drive over protesters in the street, if they feel like their life is in danger..

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As one should. For far too long has the average commuter been at the mercy of these assholes, especially the life or death of a loved one having to make it to the ER.
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Work visas just end up them staying anyway. it signals that illegal immigration ends up paying. It's a disaster to bend the kneww to the illegals.
Yeah, that's an issue we have in the UK ("skilled work" visas enable immigrants to stay for a few years. Working on the grill in a kebab shop counts as "skilled" work btw) but maybe have a tincture of optimism considering the sort of people Trump has around him, like Miller.

Considering how much farm labour can be delegated to machinery, were I in Trump's position maybe I'd consider offering a new subsidy for farmers who lose a significant chunk of their labour due to deportations and put it into buying the machines replacements? It is a bribe (these vehicles can cost hundreds of thousands - watch Clarkson's Farm) but if that's what the GOP is so scared of by deporting illegals (losing donors/support), then that ought to assuage both?
 
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There's no point in chimping out over something that hasn't even been spitballed, let alone happened.
>floating the idea of another Midde East war in direct response to Israel whining about nukes
>floating the idea of amnesty for illegal immigrants in direct response to antifa riots
>floating the idea of a completely negligible tariff in direct response to Chinese pressure

The first thing that comes to my mind when I witness all of this is Trump tried to fix the country (again), but realized six months in you can't fix the U.S. government. I'm not seeing anything being done differently that wouldn't have happened with a corpse formerly occupying the Oval Office. He doesn't even have more deportations, despite empowering ICE.
Are they getting peanuts for pay or are they getting full wages? Are they willing to start paying taxes? If you pay taxes and get full wages you aren't a slave and these mexicans working at these farms Trump is talking about don't appear to be Home Depot spics looking for cheap work, working on these farms is literally their career just like many white farmers.
They are no different from Home Depot slaves. They snuck into the country to perform manual labor, undermine any possibility of work for people actually born in this country, drive down the average wage by existing and when push comes to shove, they are the ones you see in places like Los Angeles insisting the United States was "stolen land." Having any sympathy for these golems during active riots is peak stupidity. Again, please grow a spine. This hand-wringing is embarrassing to read.
 
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