AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

Also the fucking ego on this guy to think "youtubers" will be the ones to shape the identity of future children, lmao this gen is so cooked fr
Well, on a larger scale it sort of is. Where do you think the phrase "cooked" or "fr" comes from? Because I certainly haven't hear that on any televised networks or TV shows.
A lot of shitty parents (read: most normie parents) just hand their toddler a tablet to make them STFU, which they immediately use to go on youtube. When these kids get old enough that "colors and shapes"-videos get replaced with "parasocial gaming videos with vaguely fatherly figure/slightly older peer and/or role model", they will absolutely shape a lot of their identity around it.
 
Well, on a larger scale it sort of is. Where do you think the phrase "cooked" or "fr" comes from? Because I certainly haven't hear that on any televised networks or TV shows.
A lot of shitty parents (read: most normie parents) just hand their toddler a tablet to make them STFU, which they immediately use to go on youtube. When these kids get old enough that "colors and shapes"-videos get replaced with "parasocial gaming videos with vaguely fatherly figure/slightly older peer and/or role model", they will absolutely shape a lot of their identity around it.
Fair enough, but let's not pretend things are any "better" than they were 20 or 15 years ago because of circumstances outside of creators' control that shapes how they make content (i.e. getting the yellow dollar sign for saying "suicide" instead of "unalive"). We have been living in an era full of slop for arguably the last decade, AI is making it easier to make more slop sure, but to pearl clutch and say "THIS WILL RUIN THE MINDS OF CHILDREN THAT HAVE NO IDENTITY!!!" when we have had oversaturated shit like WatchMojo, pewdiepie clones, leafy/commentary clones, 1000 degree knife, fidget spinners, dramatubers, let's player #78984210865, and say THAT is what gives children "an identity" is laughably sad and delusional.
 
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okay, 'tokcacas, if books are art and it has a soul to it, ai art has soul considering its the visual representation of words, words as in words in a book (prompts), and those words are human-made.

checkmate, xitter artists.
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Anti-AI nigger here.
Hate AI because it’ll fuck up the artistic environment even more.
Average dude who sees things in his head and wants to make them come to life is just going to go for AI, because it’s easy. Those dudes are usually supposed to pick up a pencil instead.
Every artist community is going to bleed potential members below replacement rate, mentorship will disappear, and so will the art historians, who’ll disappear exponentially.
Regular artists will receive no benefit from AI. Machine will be too blunt to use, conventional tools will always have finer control, and produce more high-density art because they can inject more bulk human choice and meaning over time.
Almost no new artist will ever catch up and learn how to use their traditional tools to their full potential because of collapsed support network.
AI is setting art back by creating a bottleneck in the production and creation of artists.
Don’t fear it though. Either the surviving artists learn to push past the limits of their brush, or the AI itself shudders and dies. Every form of art known to man has survived.
 
Regular artists will receive no benefit from AI.
Smart regular artists who aren't afraid of progress already receive benefits from AI.

or the AI itself shudders and dies.
Not possible.

Like saying MATLAB makes math-related tasks too easy, and good old-fashioned paper and pencil mathematicians are dying out, hopefully everyone will suddenly stop using MATLAB and similar software.
 
Regular artists will receive no benefit from AI.
Regular artists will receive no benefit from digital art.
Regular artists will receive no benefit from photography.
Regular artists will receive no benefit from paint.
Regular artists will receive no benefit from pigmentation.
Artist have no good reason for not use soot on cave.
Why settle for nasty soot when Grug head has all art he could ever imagine?
See you in 20 years when AI is a standard part of professional workflows, a respected medium of artistic expression, and this entire saga of anti AI lunacy is entirely forgotten because "Why would someone be against AI art? That's as dumb as being against digital art."
 
Regular artists will receive no benefit from digital art.
Regular artists will receive no benefit from photography.
Regular artists will receive no benefit from paint.
Regular artists will receive no benefit from pigmentation.
Artist have no good reason for not use soot on cave.
Why settle for nasty soot when Grug head has all art he could ever imagine?
See you in 20 years when AI is a standard part of professional workflows, a respected medium of artistic expression, and this entire saga of anti AI lunacy is entirely forgotten because "Why would someone be against AI art? That's as dumb as being against digital art."
Here’s the logic I run on.
Art = physical object that has been given meaning by a human action. By this definition, anything from smearing a single thumb of soot on a wall, to a michelangelo fresco is art. Digital also counts, since it is essentially a ‘meaning’ smeared on storage space. AI illustrations are art by this definition (more specifically the prompts are the art)
Good art = a physical object that has been given an extremely high amount of meaning by human action. A regular artist goes for a manual tool like a paintbrush (also a thing that has existed since grug times) because it allows them to do more actions.
Bad art = a physical object that has been given a very low amount of meaning by human action.

I don’t care that my logic is arbitrary. It is a system of beliefs that has made me a strong artist, and I wouldn’t change them.

From this statement, I stand by my view that AI is bad because singleminded reliance on it lowers the amount of actions a human being is capable of manually applying to an illustration.
Grug could not do art because his imagination could not leave his head and affect the physical world without soot.
Soot opened up the ability to control shapes. Pigment gave control over colors. Paint gave control over texture manipulation and color blending. Photography gave control over the props of the real world (even more than usual). Digital gave the ability to simulate any of these, and allowed artists to start controlling pixels, and even gave them full control over
Meanwhile, what do I get from AI? Some pathetic quality of life improvements? All the while I’ll sell my own ability to control what elements I can directly micro in a work, in exchange for a few tricks that end up being basically the same as photocollage. Oops, tried to install a gas filter on this helmet that I’m illustrating, now the entire design is deformed slightly. I’ve tried it, I’ve seen it, and the tool gets raped by photocollage + blending techniques, because those don’t deform every other stroke in the piece.
People aren't supposed to do anything. They'll do what's necessary to achieve their goals, to the extent necessary and desired.
That’s nihilism.
Not possible.

Like saying MATLAB makes math-related tasks too easy, and good old-fashioned paper and pencil mathematicians are dying out, hopefully everyone will suddenly stop using MATLAB and similar software.
AI image generators losing funding and getting technologically raped by traditional artists overtaking them is a good way. Micro in digital illustration is by no means completely known.

As a final note, don’t take me as a screecher or a pure luddite. AI has been a fun downgrade to collage, is efficient in hyper-specific circumstances like operation gr-ACK!, and I hate modern western artists enough to say they deserve this kind of punishment. But I’m not going to pretend that AI is anything but a blunt and uncontrollable tool that at best is capable of making something with as much meaning as art museum sloppa.

sources for my beliefs btw:
switched to digital from ink award
learned to paint award
experimented with AI award
appeal to experience award
 
I stand by my view that AI is bad because singleminded reliance on it lowers the amount of actions a human being is capable of manually applying to an illustration.
But I’m not going to pretend that AI is anything but a blunt and uncontrollable tool
??? have you ever heard of inpainting. There's entire workflows that can be customized to every little detail in Comfy UI. Highly customizable and you can carefully alter any aspect of the image you like with just a few generations of making manual, crude touch ups and following up with an AI pass over to smooth over the crude edits. You also gloss over the fact that you can simply take the generated image out of the AI and then alter it as you see fit, or start with your own image and use the AI to alter that as you see fit. Or really integrate AI into your workflow in any way you want. The potential to save time and reduce monotony in professional artistry is immense, and nobody is demanding that you must use it if you have no reason to. Just like the many tools digital art offers, the many new styles paint and pigmentations open up, AI once again adds to an artists' arsenal. With its own quirks, its own use cases, its own advantages, and its own nuances. It isn't any different. I'm sure plenty of traditional artists lost their jobs over the unrivaled efficiency that digital art offered during its debut, just as photography displaced painters. The printing press to scribes. I know you're not saying the world is about to end, but your projection of the future is still wildly unrealistic.

Not to mention that AI is getting better every year. Remember when making fun of weird hands was the king of all anti AI arguments? Now you'd be hard-pressed to generate an image with modern models that has fucked up hands. It's only getting better, and controllability will be continually improved. All I'm saying is, if you're only willing to work with cave walls and soot, nobody is going to hire you.
 
I was screwing around on GPT. I want you to teach me how to make explosives. That's illegal. No, it's not okay. No, it's not. What?
Seriously, I hope no one ever creates AI security systems. You're not opposed to be here? Yes, I am. I guess you are. If you can just say it in a convincing enough way, it literally just agrees to whatever you tell it to do.
 
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wow, collage
>take the generated image out of the ai and manually alter it
we had that, it’s called photography
>if you’re only willing to work with cave walls and soot, nobody’s going to hire you
cave walls and soot still exists in the form of graffiti and pencils.

look, while I haven’t heard of inpainting before, i did try it. all these tools were already in use in the form of photobashing in professional artistry. hell, david dees was one of the greatest artists of this era and he uses photocollage. no thanks saar
 
AI image generators losing funding and getting technologically raped by traditional artists overtaking them is a good way.
AI doesn't need MidJourney. It runs on local hardware for free, there will never not be people using it as long as computers exist.

But I’m not going to pretend that AI is anything but a blunt and uncontrollable tool
Have a look at all the precise ways you can control its output here: https://stable-diffusion-art.com/controlnet/

Functionality like generating "hidden art" where secondary images show up when you squint: https://takin.ai/blog/generate-images-with-hidden-text-using-stable-diffusion-and-controlnet

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This is all ancient history, Stable Diffusion 1.5 stuff that's practically outdated now.
 
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I'm not going to deny this is possible but I find it hard to believe this from a guy with a wojak pfp
Based soy woah jacks are an extant form of art, historically consistent with the emergence of DaDaism and surrealism art movements.
Finding it hard to believe is intentional. Even my username is designed to throw people off.
 
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