2025 Israel vs Iran War

Endless Torment said:
Wow they are saying if we fire nukes they will fire nukes how shocking I never thought a country firing a nuke would ever lead to more nukes being fired.
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That's why you don't fire one but use a full saturation salvo to destroy the nukes in bunkers before they even get the chance to get off.
Americans also invented shooting nukes with other nukes since the proximity blast is sometimes enough to set them off as well from gamma-xray compression - partial fizzle. Enough to disarm them.
Once ballistic missiles are in air and later on space, they become basically untouchable. You can't reach them from air and you need a space-vehicle to get there. It is an environment that favors missiles - low air drag and you have to maneuver by rocket anyway.
You however, cannot use air to redirect, meaning you have to burn rocket fuel to just intercept.
That is why david's sling is better - as it just rams into the object and doesn't need heavy explosive charge instead of US anti BM rocket with shrapnel.
Welfare Bum said:
As far as I'm aware, Israeli aircraft are not entering Iranian airspace. I think since Serbia, doctrine on the use of fighter jets has changed a lot in favor of a "no risk" strategy where they simply just don't enter airspace where there could be active air defenses. There's nothing an F-35 could do to a bunker 500 meters below the surface. So there really isn't any target they can hit that's worth the risk. But that of course calls into question their entire strategy. The destruction of the nuclear program would require something like multiple runs from a B-2 or even bigger, and the US has said they're not getting directly involved. So I dunno how this could go other than both countries bombing each other's infrastructure until a ceasefire.
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I am calling doubts on both sides honestly. Some smoke in distance really isn't a confirmation of hit. Their leadership eliminated 100m underground is bogus too. Even the BLU don't go deeper than 10m of rock and Iran is made of rock.
Jets being at greater than standoff distance is what is keeping pilots safe IMO. I really doubt they are flying and refueling over teheran as first sources said. They would be sitting ducks like that. Iran is 2000km big and that's about the range of a fighter.
Striking from a distance is however - unprecise and weak. Payloads are small, expensive, don't have a lot of explosive since they need propulsion and rearming is painfully slow per kg of blast.

B2 bombers and other bombers are just something even 90's aa deals with very well. So for that reason, nuclear facilities are safe. (You need total air superiority with 0 active AA's or jets which is impossible)
Best you can do is bomb entrances - exits and shake things around, but that's it. Sites were probably picked with good geology of non fracturable rock like granite.
 
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DumbDude43 said:
i'm sure the power and might of PAKISTAN has americans shaking in their boots
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Its all about the number games these countries army outnumber Israel and the US, and are immune to mass casualties in a massive war scenario I don’t know how Israel/US can win this without nukes flying all everywhere.
 
Iron Jaguar said:
Is dogfighting even a thing anymore? I'm pretty sure it's all just lobbing missiles at each other and seeing whose jamming is most effective.
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Happened in the short lived poo wars recently, and an F-16 got shot down by an SU-35 in Ukraine last month. I thought it was a dead concept as well. But then militaries with air forces started fighting each other.
 
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DumbDude43 said:
i'm sure the power and might of PAKISTAN has americans shaking in their boots
:story:
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When you've got nukes, everyone should pay heed. It isn't like you have to be overly accurate with them and they aren't firecrackers. Although highly unlikely, things could escalate rather quickly and go from a spat between two countries, to a spat between a dozen and snare the globe.

China will get involved too if Israel keeps hitting Irans oil depots, that's something China will do something about given they buy 75% of Irans oil.
 
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Dana scully said:
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Who said iran doesn’t have allies? Russia and China will indirectly support iran if the US gets involved
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Pakistan threatening to get involved if Israel uses a nuclear weapon is the equivalent of Pakistan saying it isn't going to get involved. Even the craziest anti-Iranian zealots don't talk about using nuclear weapons.
 
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Welfare Bum said:
As far as I'm aware, Israeli aircraft are not entering Iranian airspace. I think since Serbia, doctrine on the use of fighter jets has changed a lot in favor of a "no risk" strategy where they simply just don't enter airspace where there could be active air defenses. There's nothing an F-35 could do to a bunker 500 meters below the surface. So there really isn't any target they can hit that's worth the risk. But that of course calls into question their entire strategy. The destruction of the nuclear program would require something like multiple runs from a B-2 or even bigger, and the US has said they're not getting directly involved. So I dunno how this could go other than both countries bombing each other's infrastructure until a ceasefire.
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The goal is to goad the United States into doing it's dirty work for it. Israel would absolutely know it can't knock out Iran's nuclear program before its attack so that pretty much leaves it as the only option. I can't imagine Israel would risk a full scale war just to kill some high value targets.
 
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Dana scully said:
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Who said iran doesn’t have allies? Russia and China will indirectly support iran if the US gets involved
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maybe WW3 is going to actually be basically every single local skirmish that was going to be the start of WW3, only all the real countries just sorta look awkwardly around and whistle while it happens instead of killing each other over it
 
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XYZpdq Jr. said:
maybe WW3 is going to actually be basically every single local skirmish that was going to be the start of WW3, only all the real countries just sorta look awkwardly around and whistle while it happens instead of killing each other over it
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There's always been scenarios of limited regional wars. That's how most of them start, even The Day After story was triggered by USSR screwing with Iran, and not Europe.

India/Pakis were always considered the most likely to actually happen, but probably not spread much if it did. Israel/Iran will depend on if Paki goes all in, which could drag Russia and India, and then it could be over. Meanwhile 90 year olds are bitching about illegals being deported.
 
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NuruMaleMasseuse said:
Goat herders with AKs killed or maimed how many American military? Easy to talk shit when you have no skin in the game huh faggot?
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^ This is complete faggotry.
1) They mostly used bombs, from what I gather.
2) The US military was hamstrung with suicidal rules of engagement.
3) OPIAF.

Welfare Bum said:
Happened in the short lived poo wars recently, and an F-16 got shot down by an SU-35 in Ukraine last month. I thought it was a dead concept as well. But then militaries with air forces started fighting each other.
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Yes, countries with antiquated air forces. I doubt there will be too many F-35 dogfights.
 
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Lats of Peace said:
The goal is to goad the United States into doing it's dirty work for it. Israel would absolutely know it can't knock out Iran's nuclear program before its attack so that pretty much leaves it as the only option. I can't imagine Israel would risk a full scale war just to kill some high value targets.
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The objective is to bait Iran (or its proxies) into attacking US assets to trigger an intervention
 
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