2025 Israel vs Iran War

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And I'm not dying for Israel.
“Dying for Israel” is the dissident right’s Handmaid’s Tale

New reports of Israeli attacks in Kermanshah, Iran

Al-Ray City refinery is burning now

Haifa has a refinery burning

Israel can't destroy Iran's nuclear program, the supposed reason for the strikes in the first place. They need US weaponry they don't have for that.

Don't let the noseposters gaslight you.
from an analyst i spoke to:

The breadth of the problem is more than that, for Iran.

Their program isn’t going to survive just because a small portion of it is buried under a mountain. Programs take people. Sustainment.

Israel can continuously work against these sites for just as long as they’d like, unless Iran finds a way to change their fortunes in the air.

Iran can go for breakout, and then be faced with the prospect of real total destruction if they employ it… and all the while Israel will just continue working them with body blows.

Things like raids become a lot more realistic sounding when all the responding garrisons are gone. They aren’t buried.
 
So what exactly is the endgame here? Continuous bombing campaigns made sense in gaza because you have forces on the ground advancing.

Are these two just going to lob missiles at each other in perpetuity, or is israel planning on some escalation (or vice versa)? Ground invasion seems like insanity...
 
israel under the Shah was an ally, many iranians nowadays are pro israel. this is cope on another level
I do wonder what the Middle East would even look like if the Shah was never overthrown. He didn't like the Jewish lobby in America and he had higher aspirations for Iran than just being an American vassal state so I wonder how America would juggle the interests between Israel, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. There is also the fact I doubt certain wars would have even occurred.
 
"Judaism" is an explicitly racial [ideology/religion]... The base belief of Judaism is the racial superiority of the jewish race over non-jews.
The Bible repudiates a racial conception of Judaism; Jews are marked for a special purpose by virtue of an agreement made with God, not by the result of "racial superiority." Hell, look at how the Israelites are portrayed immediately following the Exodus and tell me that it's a portrait of an innately superior race.

A well-known midrash supposes that God offered the Torah to the Egyptians, the Edomites, the Amalekites, and every other nation, before offering it to Israel. Israel becomes a holy nation because it accepts the agreement.

In the words of Amos:

To Me, O Israelites, you are
Just like the Cushites
—declares GOD.
True, I brought Israel up
From the land of Egypt,
But also the Philistines from Caphtor
And the Arameans from Kir.

Loving the stranger is demanded by God and affirmed by the prophets. And what kind of "race" allows people to convert in?

Of course the jews here would never allow that considering they think the Soviet Union was "anti-semitic" for reducing the number of Jewish commissars from 90%+ to roughly under 50%.
The Soviet Union was antisemitic because it banned and appropriated the property of Zionist and religious Jewish organizations, because it collaborated with Hitler, and because it prevented Soviet Jews from emigrating to Israel. After the very early revolutionary period, the only Judaism tolerated in the USSR was a Judaism that did not present a religious or national challenge.

Israel is the fag capital of the Middle East and sodomy is practically one of the only two jewish sacraments (along with abortion). It doesn't surprise me that a race of homos and pornographers has no real cultural standard for modesty. Shocker, different racial groups exhibit different cultural habits. I could care less.
@EpicGamerMoment thinks that Israel is a medieval theocracy and you think it's a hive of atheist nymphomaniacs. You two have something to discuss.

The death penalty is biblically based, further proving that jews don't even follow their own supposed "religion" which calls for the death of sodomites in old testament which they claim to believe.
This affirms my point -- Israel is not a theocracy on par with Iran, and it doesn't chop people's heads off for religious offenses. As far as the Biblical laws against things like male-on-male sex -- the evidentiary rules for trying such cases are extremely stringent, and anyway you'd require a Sanhedrin (religious court) of 23 judges. Even if Israel were run as a theocracy, no such judicial body has existed in about 1,500 years. Jewish tradition generally inclines toward deploying the death penalty extremely sparingly; the Mishnah describes a court that orders one execution in seven years a "murderous tribunal."

lol, thanks for informing me who Baruch Goldstein is.

EDIT: (mostly) beaten to the punch by @Catch The Rainbow
 
Israel can't destroy Iran's nuclear program, the supposed reason for the strikes in the first place. They need US weaponry they don't have for that.

Don't let the noseposters gaslight you.
A lot of shills out on the net in full force it seems.

If this conflict is going so well, why would Israel beg the US to help them in the first place?
 
So what exactly is the endgame here? Continuous bombing campaigns made sense in gaza because you have forces on the ground advancing.

Are these two just going to lob missiles at each other in perpetuity, or is israel planning on some escalation (or vice versa)? Ground invasion seems like insanity...
If Israel can gain air superiority over Iran's air space, I imagine they will just start working down the target list until Iran either calls for peace or collapses. Either effectively achieves the goal of halting the Nuclear Program. The end of which is Israel's only stated goal of the war.

It can stop today or it can stop after every oil refinery, power station and factory in the country have had a few JDAMS dropped on them. Though if it gets to that point the regime will be in serious trouble because Tehran is mutinous against the Ayatollah on a good day. If they don't have any food, water or electricity the regime will be in a pickle.
 
Are you genuinely retarded? Obviously a DEFENSIVE missile system will be placed in a civilian area because the point is to protect the civilians. It’s launching DEFENSIVE missiles to shoot down the offensive ones.
They're both legitimate targets.
Difference is Israel can and has already taken out Iran's lol
 
If this conflict is going so well, why would Israel beg the US to help them in the first place?
I think the point of Israel publicly asking the US to join, knowing that the US would reject it, was that Trump wanted to publicly refuse to join the war as a way of dissuading Iran from targeting American sites.
 

WSJ- Mossad watched as Iran rolled out missiles, then hit them before they could be erected for launch
Mossad took out dozens of trucks used to transport missiles from storage to the launch sites, operating on the ground deep into Friday
Mossad brought the quadcopters in through commercial channels using often unwitting business partners. Agents on the ground would collect the munitions and distribute them to the teams. Israel trained the team leaders in third countries, and they in turn trained the teams.​

Israel knew where Iran kept missiles to be ready for launch​

Mossad’s operations inside Iran have included hunting for leadership targets in Tehran​

The teams on the ground hit dozens of missiles before they could be launched in the early hours of the attack​



Are these "Nazis" in the room with us now?
I'm gonna guess Mr. Racewar1488 is a Nazi yeah

If Israel can gain air superiority over Iran's air space, I imagine they will just start working down the target list until Iran either calls for peace or collapses. Either effectively achieves the goal of halting the Nuclear Program. The end of which is Israel's only stated goal of the war.
quoting my source:

The breadth of the problem is more than that, for Iran.

Their program isn’t going to survive just because a small portion of it is buried under a mountain. Programs take people. Sustainment.

Israel can continuously work against these sites for just as long as they’d like, unless Iran finds a way to change their fortunes in the air.

Iran can go for breakout, and then be faced with the prospect of real total destruction if they employ it… and all the while Israel will just continue working them with body blows.

Things like raids become a lot more realistic sounding when all the responding garrisons are gone. They aren’t buried.

If they don't have any food, water or electricity the regime will be in a pickle.
**from iranian social media

Field observation:
The supermarket has no milk. They say Mahsham, Mihan, and Kalleh (dairy companies) called and said their fleets didn't refuel today.
The situation at gas stations is disastrous — they won’t give more than 15 liters of gasoline, and the lines are kilometers long…**

Irgc took over gas stations
 
Israelis didn't directly cause me suffering-but being jews I hold them collectively responsible for every black crime, every disgusting troon I have to tolerate, every filthy brown in my country, and the plague of second wave feminism destroying the cohesion of my society.

(And they probably did). I don't feel any deep sympathy for Muslims, but any White person should absolutely cheer to see dead Jews-every single one of them has White blood on their hands.

It is because of the Jews I have been denied my birthrate as a White man-it is because of the Jews, I cannot lynch blacks for the crime of daring to presume equality, it is because of the Jews I have to dance around and pretend to tolerate homosexuals and other filth, it is because of the Jews I nearly had a mental breakdown at the height of 2020 seeing my civilization attacked by brown savages they imported.

All Jews are guilty-shared blood is shared guilt.
If Trump follows Israel to war it will be the end of his political career and legacy, the death of any MAGA movement, the Left will storm back into power and a cultural revolution and brown revenge will not relent this time.

It will effectively destroy the hope of White America-to be betrayed then have the hordes come rushing for blood once the sheen of conservatism is finally rotted away.

It is so so so depressing. I cannot begin to describe how upset I am right now.
My family has geneaological records-I have ancestors who fought with Cromwell you fucking Kike. I know I am White by any accepted definition.

(Also a single grandfather being half or a fourth Cherokee has never disqualified one from being White-it wasn't even applied this strictly under the one drop rule in the Jim Crow south).
First of all, Cromwell was a nigger who was financed by Jews, advised by Jews, sold the Catholic Irish into slavery under Jewish landowners (alongside English ones) in the English Caribbean colonies, and let the Jews back into England for the first time since Edward Longshanks gave them the boot nearly 400 years prior. (For a Jew who filled all those roles, look at the likes of Antonio Carvajal, who was basically a 17th-century AIPAC guy in Cromwell's inner circle.) A distressingly high number of his fellow Puritans were also proto-Christian Zionists who believed that having Jews around would accelerate the Second Coming, ex. John Sadler & Hugh Peter. He is literally one of the worst figures you could possibly try to bring up while ranting about how much you hate the kikes, you might as well be bragging about being the descendant of Cyrus Scofield or Jerry Falwell's grandson.

Second of all, the Trump administration has already refused to jump in on Israel's side despite the Israeli gov't calling on them to do so and Vance took a pretty anti-war tack in his speech a few hours ago. It seems increasingly clear that the US isn't going to be drafting anyone to fight in the Zagros Mountains anytime soon. So calm your ass down and go touch grass, a lot of grass, you're coming across as more hysterical than a hypothetical lovechild of Partisangirl & Hasan Piker.
 
“Dying for Israel” is the dissident right’s Handmaid’s Tale
That's weird. I met some young men, not even in their 20s, who didn't come back home from a country in which you wanted their leader removed as outlined in the Clean Break Memo.
from an analyst i spoke to:

The breadth of the problem is more than that, for Iran.

Their program isn’t going to survive just because a small portion of it is buried under a mountain. Programs take people. Sustainment.

Israel can continuously work against these sites for just as long as they’d like, unless Iran finds a way to change their fortunes in the air.

Iran can go for breakout, and then be faced with the prospect of real total destruction if they employ it… and all the while Israel will just continue working them with body blows.

Things like raids become a lot more realistic sounding when all the responding garrisons are gone. They aren’t buried.
I listened to an analyst Friday morning that I don't even like explain convincingly that Iran's nuclear program would survive convential Israeli weapons and that the goal was ultimately to involve the United States in such a way that would topple the regime and/or destroy their program. They're basically the same thing in the end. It sounds like that analysis is accurate as much as I don't want it to be true but time will tell.
 
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I think the point of Israel publicly asking the US to join, knowing that the US would reject it, was that Trump wanted to publicly refuse to join the war as a way of dissuading Iran from targeting American sites.
Problem is Israel needs the big, deep-hitting 13,000lb MOP that only the US can deliver to truly hit those underground nuclear facilities.
 
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Problem is Israel needs the big, deep-hitting 13,000lb MOP that only the US can deliver to truly hit those underground nuclear facilities.
I thought the US sold Israel a small number of bunker blasters. Maybe they are saving them for a doomsday scenario or something
 
Problem is Israel needs the big, deep-hitting 13,000lb MOP that only the US can deliver to truly hit those underground nuclear facilities.
There are two ways to skin this cat though. Israel could destroy the immediate nuclear infrastructure, or they can make the Iranians cry uncle and dismantle it themselves. This has been done before by Israel doing air strikes on Syria and Iraq. Though I will admit this is a much bigger campaign then those.
 
A ground war against Iran in today's climate would mean a draft-american youth are fat, mentally ill and lazy as shit.

The logistical capacity alone is a nightmare. I don't think a ground invasion is likely-at least...for another year. Special forces' operations and airstrikes are another matter.

Regardless-it will drive oil prices through the roof, and induce political chaos and deadlock in the US-no deportations, no other progress. Trump and the republicans are wiped out in 2026 and 2028.

Next democrat in office has a formal amnesty-15-20 million illegals get full citizenship by 2030.

At which point you may as well stop caring or flee the country.
 
 
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That's weird. I met some young men, not even in their 20s, who didn't come back home from a country in which you wanted their leader removed as outlined in the Clean Break Memo.
by "wanted the leader removed" you mean Ariel Sharon explicitly told Bush it would be a long hard war. Clean Break was under Netanyahu, Netanyahu was not PM or even in Israeli politics when Iraq happened.

I listened to an analyst that I don't even like explain convincingly that Iran's nuclear program would survive convential Israeli weapons and that the goal was ultimately to involve the United States in such a way that would topple the regime and/or destroy their program
Nadav's analysis is best and is backed up by his experience. Trump just confirmed it:

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The Yemenites are shooting rockets at the Arab Christian city of Nazareth.
 
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