Artcow Ellen Woodbury / Pizzacake / Pizzacakecomic - A 40 year old webcomic artist, mother, porn star, misandrist, dramacow and Reddit celebrity. Threatens to sue her critics and cuckolds her husband. Female Andrew Dobson.

No. If he can get the case transfered to America, he can win. That is totally possible, and under the precedent Sargon set, winnable.
Or just counter notify and put the ball in her court. More importantly, he should talk to an actual lawyer about anything as complicated as international DMCA fee-shifting arguments. I'll note Lenz took ten years of litigation to win and had the EFF helping.

Also it wouldn't be transferred here, it would be started here. Ellen is the one who decided to invoke U.S. law against an American so she deliberately availed herself of U.S. jurisdiction for an advantage. It would make no sense to litigate a DMCA case in Canada, which doesn't even have the DMCA.
 
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The "knowingly" makes it sound like it has to be completely intentional, but failure to consider fair use when it's obvious is also sufficient for liability. Lenz v. Universal Music Corp., 801 F.3d 1126 (9th Cir. 2015).

Whether it's a good case really depends on the context. If Ellen ignorantly did this herself, it probably isn't, because proving it was knowing would be more difficult.

However, she's probably still using this scummy "DMCA Force" bunch of flaggots like she used on us to no effect.

This is a scammer company that basically just mindlessly spams DMCAs at anything resembling content they find without any regard for the merit of the claim.
There's two elements to it:

1) Reinstating his channel and the revenue for the stricken videos.
2) Receiving damages.

#1 is completely feasible, but obviously he'd prefer to do it without having to go to court over it. Better to just hammer Youtube with complaints. The burden of proof is on them for how he violated fair use, so if you force a review, it will inevitably come to a point where either he's given a solid reason why they don't view his content as fair use (for example, perhaps arguing it is but simultaneously viewing it as harassment) or they simply reinstate everything.

#2 is more difficult, especially considering she's Canadian. We need to review Canadian law here too, because it's possible she's innocent under Canadian law, and then #2 is completely off the table. If we assume Canada lazily copypasted USA's law on this, it's still an issue because she likely did it through a company, so at best, it's the company paying damages and not her because they "should've known better." If he just wants damages period, this can be a positive, but if he wants her paying them, this is a negative and that's far more unlikely.

The only way to catch her would be if Youtube is required to showcase the process of how he was flagged and we discover she personally flagged it and filed the claim herself, and even then, "knowingly" is difficult. In this case, she's an idiot, and being an idiot is actually a fantastic defense, because it makes it believable she simply didn't know better. Only exception would be is if she has some kind of history (possible, knowing her) of overzealously flagging her critics and has been told in the past she cannot remove criticism and thus should know better.

Honestly? He should just keep knocking at Youtube's door. The target for his lawyers - if it comes to that - should not be Pizzacake, but rather Youtube. Not suing them, just a strongly worded letter alerting them he's not in agreement with their findings and would like an explanation before he seeks additional action. Court should not be the goal, just forcing Youtube to take him seriously.

I'd imagine Youtube gives zero fucks about this and is simply folding to Pizzacake because she's lawyered up and annoying and he isn't. The moment both parties have a lawyer making opposing demands, that's probably when someone in Youtube's legal department finally glances at this and makes a decision, which will likely favor him. Damages will be off the table, but I'd imagine it'll be "ticketed" somewhere and there will be a note attached to his channel to let other workers know Pizzacake has wrongfully targeted the channel before.
 
#2 is more difficult, especially considering she's Canadian. We need to review Canadian law here too, because it's possible she's innocent under Canadian law, and then #2 is completely off the table.
Well of course she's "innocent" (it isn't a matter of guilt or innocence anyway) under Canadian law because Canada doesn't even have the law she used in the U.S. It's collecting that's more difficult. We generally have reciprocity on judgment debt collection.
I'd imagine Youtube gives zero fucks about this and is simply folding to Pizzacake because she's lawyered up and annoying and he isn't.
It's because she filed a DMCA strike. Taking it down is completely automatic and may not even have required human intervention. DMCA Force almost certainly has a content account that allows strikes by just clicking a series of boxes in a search result.
 
Ellen sucks girldick and shills for McDonalds.
I cannot think of anything more unskilled than selling your pancake ass pics online next to crudely drawn and uninspired comics about how much your children despise you. Might as well put on the sonichu medallion with how much sexual degeneracy and awful "art" she engages in.

And wow Ellen. I never considered that. Surely a sexually perverse man would never enter a private area strictly meant for true and honest women and decide not to drop trou on account of the women not immediately presenting their bare ass to him. So following that logic, being naked is an invitation for sexual assault, right? Glad you cleared that up for us.
 
Listen you absolutely retarded leaf. Laws keeping mentally ill men in dresses out of women's restrooms isn't about the police setting up sting operations to catch MAAMs in the act. It is so there is a legal basis to remove and charge troons who are creeping in the ladies.

It takes police 15 minutes to respond usually. Unless the troon is there jerking it to authentic female pissing noises, they should be in and out long before the cops show. If they aren't its because the cops need to be there.


I wish bEllend would go see a canadian doctor.

So following that logic, being naked is an invitation for sexual assault, right? Glad you cleared that up for us
Wait changed my mind, Ellen is 100% based and #ourgirl.
We pick Ellen as this thread's trad wife.
 
It wouldn't. At all. The court would take one look at the fact its already been blocked to canadian users as defamation and that would be the end of any discussion about it. Thats how it works in canada
Why couldn't I get the court moved to the USA? Obviously I would immediately lose in Canada but if this is under American law, I believe this is one of the easiest wins possible. She used DMCAForce which is an American company in Tucson. "Even though the claimant is Canadian, once they invoke the DMCA using a U.S. agent, they are voluntarily submitting to U.S. copyright law for the purpose of the takedown." is what GPT told me. I know it isn't a lawyer but it makes more sense.

Thank you for the response btw, I read it all and have considered most of what you said given the circumstances that this would be held under Canadian courts, but from my understanding, YouTube would operate under American Copyright Law in this instance no?

Also, I was informed that Carl of Sargon of Akaad won his case and did some research:
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lol. lmao even.

It was discussed in the thread already but from my understanding, it would indeed be brought to the U.S.A, but is it really worth the time, money, and effort? Maybe; only you can decide that. But you've spent two years building up the channel, gained 40k subs, finally started to get money from the channel, and now you want to gain a strike over some C list e-celeb that basically no one has heard of. You do you bro, but I'm not sure it's worth it. Unless you speak to a lawyer and have a decent case of her abusing the system, I'd say it's not really worth it. You already said in your recent video, any lawsuit would require crowdfunding (Says at 10 minutes in this video (A)) so money is indeed an issue. I'd say this DMCA Fag Force will have more money than you will to fight this battle.
Take my advice with a grain of salt, I'm a nobody, but I'm not sure it's worth the strike.
Ellen sucks girldick and shills for McDonalds.
I worked at McDonald's as one of my first jobs. Managers there at the time only made around 17/18 American buckeroos an hour (and I would guess this has hardly raised, maybe 1 or 2 dollars an hour max) and had to deal with McDonald's bullshit such as a high turnover rate consisting of mainly retarded teens, counting gross food discarded, dealing with retarded niggers face to face, and the general managerial responsibilities (like counting money). If someone's goal is to end as a McDonald's supervisor, they should indeed be ashamed of themselves. I make more money, with more over time opportunities, and with less responsibility than any McDonald's supervisor. A new hire into a position like mine would still be the same with more money, more overtime opportunity, and less responsibility (talking about people with 0 experience at my job).
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I'd say this DMCA Fag Force will have more money than you will to fight this battle.
But do they have the legal grounds to do so...? We're getting ahead of ourselves because the entire basis of this discussion is all fantasy that won't happen.

Plain and simple: at most he goes to a lawyer, but only with the intent of having them draft up a letter for Youtube demanding a response on his case and an explanation how his video is not fair use, otherwise demanding they reverse the decision. Burden of proof is on Youtube to state why he violated fair use if he's disputing it.

It's very easy to point at hundreds of other channels that play other people's content in full, but criticize and comment over it the entire time, and those people gain revenue for what they do. A single existence of someone doing so and gaining revenue means all similar cases deserve the same. The standard needs to be equal for everyone. If they feel his case is "special," they need to outline why.

If she has no claim, she has no claim. No DMCA group is going to risk escalating this to court if it's a no-win scenario, especially if their service doesn't promise to go to bat in court for their clients, which it doesn't.

DMCAForce does not advertise itself as a legal representative. It advertises itself as a company utilizing technology they've developed to automatically detect and flag instances where they've discovered the client's content being used. This can be overzealous and aggressive as a policy, because their own description of their product implies they approach things in a "shoot first, ask questions later" manner and may flag things that should not have been flagged. If that's their approach, they either need to:

A) Advertise having a legal team ready to defend their claims
B) Fold like paper the moment disputes come

They make no mention of legal expertise, and in fact they make their work sound automated, meaning they don't necessarily have workers sitting down to review what just got flagged. Their own website has this:

5. How do you distinguish between piracy infringements and legitimate sites?”​


We only monitor sites that are known to have piracy. We do not just do general search engine searches looking for your work. This reduces the chances of legitimate sites being sent DMCA Notices. In the cases where a site is known to have a mix of unauthorized and authorized work like YouTube or Scribd, the infringements are flagged for additional visual review by our staff.


Unfortunately, no. Some sites, especially torrent sites, are unresponsive to DMCA Notices and utilize hosts who also are unresponsive. However, we do escalate our notifications and after long term notifications, these sites are often forced to lose their domains. With the most accessible types of piracy which are from tubes and cyberlockers, removals are typically around 99% or higher.

I do not get the impression they have a legal team beyond knowing how to write a cease & desist, knowing how to escalate to non-responsive parties, and knowing options on how to escalate further in such scenarios. Their main focus is instead flagging instances of the client's content. That they take the overzealous "shoot first, ask questions later" approach should be irrelevant to customers, who merely want their content protected and do not care about unnecessary headaches they may cause other people who fall under fair use.

Look at how they flagged this very website. Did anything come of it...? Of course not, because all they did is file the complaint through the proper channels, but the people they filed the claim to (the server host) looked at it and said "WTF is this shit" and tossed it out. At this point DMCAForce did nothing further because they have no interest in actual legal battles and are not legal representatives.

Basically, this ISN'T a court case.


The moment it's even escalating to threats of court in a lawyer's letter, someone is backing down. Youtube would have no interest in going to bat for Pizzacake if he's right he falls under fair use, DMCAForce would have no interest in doing so (they already have evidence of doing their job and flagging it as promised, they made no guarantee they'd succeed or that they'd go to bat for her), and Pizzacake herself is not capable of accomplishing anything DMCAForce isn't capable of.

IF he were to get a letter back from Youtube refusing to reverse the decision and clearly explaining why (aka not some automated crap), that's his cue to back out and accept his losses, because Youtube 100% has more money, a better legal team, and would not behave this way if they weren't confident in their decision. I doubt this happens though. He's probably just stuck in "automated limbo" and Youtube hasn't seriously reviewed his case yet.

Legit the only thing he may need a lawyer's help with is drafting up a letter that hits all the right legal points in order to provoke a response from Youtube. That's it.

Trying to hit DMCAForce with damages...?

Now we're in the territory where this is interesting, though I wouldn't advise pursuing this to him cause now we're in the territory of a legal headache that's not personally worth it for him, but I do think it's worth noting that DMCAForce's own description of their service practically admits they put blind faith in a program and leave their flags up to Youtube's discretion, which you can easily argue is negligence where they should know better.

They're basically admitting they put no thought into any of this and I'd be curious how a court would react to a business model such as this. You're right here though and it's not worth getting into a legal battle over for his own personal sanity. I'm moreso just saying I won't be surprised if business models like this one eventually end up slapped down by someone who pursues a case such as this.

I would not be surprised if part of their program filters out anyone with money (AKA someone like PewdiePie does a similar video and their program gives him a pass because fuck yes PewDiePie can curbstomp them in court without it even costing him) and they only target small fries, and the moment a small fry shows any degree of resistance, they just fold to avoid legal battles for themselves. Their "defense" is thus less legal, and more that people like BasedIfTrue have no motivation to spend thousands of dollars just to attempt to get hundreds in damages, especially if DMCAForce kindly folds the moment there's reasonable legal pressure.

For that reason, sending a letter not just to Youtube but also to DMCAForce could be interesting. At least worth a shot to see how they respond, if the lawyer isn't charging him an additional 4k or some bullshit just to send the letter a second time.

He's also not getting PizzaCake period because she can just claim she trusted the service to make the right call. She's legally safe here.
 
Why couldn't I get the court moved to the USA? Obviously I would immediately lose in Canada but if this is under American law, I believe this is one of the easiest wins possible. She used DMCAForce which is an American company in Tucson. "Even though the claimant is Canadian, once they invoke the DMCA using a U.S. agent, they are voluntarily submitting to U.S. copyright law for the purpose of the takedown." is what GPT told me. I know it isn't a lawyer but it makes more sense.

Thank you for the response btw, I read it all and have considered most of what you said given the circumstances that this would be held under Canadian courts, but from my understanding, YouTube would operate under American Copyright Law in this instance no?

Also, I was informed that Carl of Sargon of Akaad won his case and did some research:

I'm not going to wreck my own infosec but I have some experience in civil suits. You wouldn't believe how long they drag out, and the reason my party won or loss some of these. Courts do not operate off logic, or who is right. Court is just 1000s of procedures and gotchas with people you'd be shocked have JDs. It is a last resort when you have exhausted all other options, and is very rarely a profitable endeavor. Even when I've caught people blatantly on camera I still caution both parties to find a way to settle it outside of court. You factor in bringing another country into this, and the difficulty you'll have in collecting judgements and I wouldn't recommend you (not legal advice) bring this to court unless you are facing ruin due to her. Just because she's a lying, defaming, mostly talentless whore doesn't mean you'll win, or that even if you win you'll consider this a worthwhile exercise two years from now when you've run up 6 figures of expenses and haven't collected a dollar of her nation's devalued currency. Use GPT to research basic legal terminology, not that if you'll win a case. It's learning engine is from journalists who have written about court cases, even Westlaw or Lexis isn't going to be that useful to the layman especially in determining what prior cases apply. Ignore Sargons win, any faggot can win a case if the other party is a bigger faggot or has a shit lawyer. If she hires real council, this will become your primary job and your youtube channel will become your secondary.
 
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