2025 Israel vs Iran War

merpalerpaherp said:
Most people hate the Iraq war but in history I think it was a much needed experience for us. The urban combat with modern weapon platforms was something foreign to basically everyone and is a learning experience on what to do and what not to do. Unless you want to bring back Napalm and tell the ICC to eat dicks (which I support) at least something did come from it and it wasn't completely useless.
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Ghostse said:
The issue with just "go deeper" is you run into the issue submarines run into with depth chargers (though there's no cavitation so the booms need to be bigger) If you can overcome the inertia of the rock, waves will travel very fast and very effectively into the hollows of your facility where hitting the much easier to move (but still dense) air you are very likely to see your personnel killed or crippled by internal injury.

You should look at the kill radius of a 2000-lb bomb, and realize while its in the open air, it doesn't need to land all that close for the shockwave to be lethal.
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The shockwave also reflects from any solid material. Bombs in ground are way more efficient at transferring "damage" energy but there is a limit as energy still dissipates by cube law. So increasing depth from 1 to 10m means a 1000 times reduction in damage if you neglect the significant pulse reduction and bomb to enviroment mass ratio increase.
At a certain thickness, the explosion is just converted to a ground wave for which common explosions that last 1-2ms (TNT) or maybe 100 (TNT-Al/Mg) at most are really ineffective to produce.
merpalerpaherp said:
This is a very rough estimate because nobody really knows how many they have left but given they have no air control and seemingly cannot stop the Israeli planes I wouldn't expect to see a launch higher than 50 at night. I think that's being overly generous as well.
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The issue with Iranian AA was that it got completely hacked and shut down. They managed to get it back up in 10h but at significant losses. They also lost a lot of important staff so there was a break in the order chain.
Iranians weren't made yesterday and they know they have to hide their defenses and just outlast Israel's interest.
This war is a money pit for both sides and it just shows how inept and vulnerable both sides are to modern weaponry.
Launchers themselves are a non important issue. Rocket can be sat on steel installation and launched from there. Any military assumes it would loose 50% of gear in first hours of combat. I am sure Iranians counted on that.
 
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Dawdler said:
The rest scattered around iran is a good target practice for any sub.
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Iran has 1 active Kilo-class and 1 active Fatteh-class submarine. These two titans of the deep are going to have good target practice with two carrier battle groups? Oh and 20 midget subs designed for operation inside the Persian Gulf. I'm sure they would do great out in the Arabian Sea
Dawdler said:
The entire military can probably hide in ground installations and weather out any attack.
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One wonders why Iran hasn't done this anywhere as its military keeps losing men and materiel daily to Israeli bombings
Dawdler said:
Having an air superiority over desert is just expensive and time consuming and opens israel and usa to attack from another region.
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Attack in what other region and by whom lol
Dawdler said:
Having their carriers stupidly concentrated in one spot also means that USA can loose their entire fleet in a matter of minutes.
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The Houthis tried for how many months to hit any US warship with many missile and drone attacks and scored zero hits again? Why would they be "concentrated in one spot"? Doctrine is for ships in one group to spread out over as much as a hundred kilometer radius from the carrier in combat
Dawdler said:
2 carriers in Hormuz straight is a practical suicide as one ending can be blocked by Houtis and the other is just relying on agreements with muslim Egypt, to let them a safe passage. If they change their minds, there's no escaping the self made trap.
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I think you mean the Red Sea but maybe check a map anyway, the Arabian Sea is kind of big. Carriers don't have to be anywhere near the Persian Gulf or the Red Sea or Yemen for their planes to hit anywhere in Iran with refueling and imagine that the US has been repositioning dozens of tanker aircraft to CENTCOM

With US planes and ship- and submarine-launched cruise missiles hitting radars and launchers everywhere and two widely spaced carrier strike groups 150 miles or more out in the Arabian sea, how is Iran even going to locate the carriers - past maybe, if it's lucky, some extremely approximate sightings reports from civilian ships in the area that are secretly IRGC crewed or something - much less get off an effective amount of anti-ship missile launches again? Is China going to give them satellite data? Can it do that fast enough when Iran wants to start shooting missiles? Without the US finding out? Are Chinese commercial planes going to fly out of Pakistan and India into the Arabian Sea and hope the US doesn't notice when they start transmitting towards Iran? If any of this meant anything because nothing ever happens
 
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Autistic Nonetheless said:
Gotta hand it to the Russians for abandoning every single ally they ever had in order to bankrupt their state fighting for some muddy fields .
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Like US is better. Libiya, Syria, Iran etc. were all allies in the past. Look at them now.
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal," former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger once remarked. And the U.S. has proven him right. Time and again, the U.S. has showed that it is not a reliable ally in global affairs.
Israel will get thrown under the bus when it serves its purpose too.
 
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draggs said:
Iran has 1 active Kilo-class and 1 active Fatteh-class submarine. These two titans of the deep are going to have good target practice with two carrier battle groups? Oh and 20 midget subs designed for operation inside the Persian Gulf. I'm sure they would do great out in the Arabian Sea
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Iran has 3 Kilos in Service assuming Israel hasn't already destroyed them.
 
And get out troops out of Iraq & Afghanistan is swaggingering around his tiny little dick again, whilst the real world of China, Russia, Iran and pretty much the rest of Europe now just ignores him.

I'MMMMM GONNNA DO SOMETHING
WE'RE THE BEST. THE BEST I TELL YOU
THE MULTICULTURAL FORCE IS GONNA DO THE BEST JOB AT LEAVING MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER FUNDED EQUIPMENT TO THE TALIBAN
NO ARMY CAN DO THAT.

WTF is he doing.



ALSO can anyone link me to kino footage, this wagie is in the cagie and must follow from afar
 
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Russian Telegram channel on the results of Phase Ten Gorillion of Operation True Promise 3:
An important article by a Russian commentator (Yuri Podolyakova) with 3.5 million followers about the lies of other Russian commentators regarding the Israeli-Iranian war:

"The Iran-Israel war: "The Iranian attack on Israel is real" turned out to be, as expected, a cheap show...

I am amused by our patriotic commentators, who, with a stubbornness worthy of better implementation, are waiting for a miracle in this conflict (while completely ignoring facts, logic and common sense).

No, I myself am against Israel's unjustified aggression against Iran, but it doesn't work that way.

And my first question to you - who are you trying to deceive?

Yourself? Why?

The Iranians? They don't read you. And IRNA (Iranian News Agency) is doing just fine without you. The whole world? They don't read you either. And they see everything themselves (and those who do, shake their heads and understand that you are just primitive propagandists and there is no point in reading you).
The Russians? Why again? Do you think they are so stupid that they do not understand this themselves?

And what else are you trying to achieve? Keep the illusion of Tehran's military power alive? What is the point?

Remember the beginning of the war in Ukraine. If we all together admired the actions of the "military academics" all this time, where would it lead us?

It seems to me that if we all want to help the Iranian people solve the problem of aggression from Israel once and for all in the future (now Iran will lose this war, or rather has already lost) and turn Tel Aviv's victory into a "Pyrrhic victory", we must help the Iranian leadership look at itself soberly and start working on its mistakes!!!

Only this will save Iran in the future.

And returning to tonight's night attacks on Israel, which the Iranian leadership presented as "real" (and not supposedly a "warning" like the day before yesterday), they once again confirmed my assumptions that Israel's tactics are working.

Iran launched only two strikes tonight. Moreover, each of them had less than 20 missiles, which, moreover, did not cause significant destruction on Israeli territory.

That is, it was much weaker than the "warnings"!!!

In general, it would have been better if the Iranian leadership had not carried out "cheap ostentatious strikes" in the evening, but had remained silent. It would have been clearly less shameful (it could have been presented as a "wise tactic").

Now all that remains is to shrug our shoulders and wish our Iranian friends to stop deceiving themselves, and start working for their future victory, rolling up their sleeves.

If this is not done, but continues in the same spirit, then Israel's victory as a result of this conflict will be absolute and unconditional.

PS And yes, I understand why Israel does not attack Iran's political leadership (for the same reason why we would not kill Zelensky, although we could have done so long ago)."
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Israeli hackers have stolen 95% of the assets of Iranian crypto exchange Nobitex:
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