2025 Israel vs Iran War

my opinion: 80 % of the cluster fuck in the middle east would have been avoided if certain intelligences and countries left the fucking middle east alone since the 50's
I mean, The Soviets had to bullied out of Iran before the U.S. even touched it. A lot of people seemingly forget that U.S. foreign policy, during the Cold War, was triggered by the Soviet Union couping governments all over Eastern Europe.
 
Any belief that Trump can strike at Iran without triggering a wider conflict is hilariously optimistic btw. There's no way it wont we've been told as much in so many words
I'm not sure it'd get into a wider conflict throughout the whole region for at least a few years. In the meantime, the issue would be what lunatic(s) take control of Iran or if the US decides to do Nation Building 2: Electric Boogaloo (because it's of course worth it if it's for our Greatest Ally™.

Really seems like a problem that Trump is wanting to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to act supportive and possibly help out with bombing for Israel, but not deal with the aftermath that would inevitably come since he doesn't want his own Iraq. So he keeps walking this odd line between the two positions as Israel presses on without a care about what comes after a decapitated Iran.
 
There's US, French, UK and Soviets. Who else?
US destabilized entire ME and Soviets are just head bashing into europe every 10 years.
French and UK armies are just helping US, so to blame anglosphere for most of this garbage is pretty accurate.
 
There's US, French, UK and Soviets. Who else?
US destabilized entire ME and Soviets are just head bashing into europe every 10 years.
French and UK armies are just helping US, so to blame anglosphere for most of this garbage is pretty accurate.
If sandniggers werent so fucking savages, we'd have peace like in Asia. They just can't stop it. Normal countries get it out of system after 3-5 years of intensive warfare. Sandniggers seem to love fucking each other up constantly.
 
If sandniggers werent so fucking savages, we'd have peace like in Asia. They just can't stop it. Normal countries get it out of system after 3-5 years of intensive warfare. Sandniggers seem to love fucking each other up constantly.
Well yea. That's what's the norm there. So why should we even bother with what goes on down there, dirty up our hands and bring troubles from over there. Haven't we done enough already?
ME is a graveyard of empires and it will suck us right up.
Look at the israelis right now, their chosen holy land being in constant warfare for the last 50 years. Let it all burn.
Soviets found that out in 80s. Never trust an arab.

Europe was fine until americans fucked up libiya. Now it's a fucking clusterfuck of sandcoons, gipseys, romanians and streetshitters from all over the world.
 
People all in on "nothing ever happens" sweating fucking bullets right now.

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Yeah, really sweating bullets that the Ayatollah might raise the final scarlet cope flag of ultimate vengeful perdition and put on the One Ring of Exodia the forbidden one.
And Trump might approve a plan that he’ll think about approving support for maybe striking Iran.
Please, it’s all in baby. Big fat nothing burger with a side of fries

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The 1953 coup was 100% MI6. They begged the US to take credit for political reasons and our fledgling CIA was happy to oblige. Check out the documentary Coup 53.
PRIME MINISTER MOSSADEGH AND AYATULLAH KASHANIFROM UNITY TO ENMITY: AS VIEWED FROM THEAMERICAN EMBASSY IN TEHRAN - WOLFGANG K. KRESSIN, CAPTAIN, U.S. AIR FORCE
I'd also recommend reading the above.

That creator of that documentary has a stick up his ass about the British, being Iranian; there's an entire industry around being butthurt about Britain including making shit up and stretching the truth to an absurd degree. Anything they can do to set the narrative that Iran was doing just fine and it's the fault of outside intervention for the current state of things to cope about how rapidly the situation was degrading is an imperative for them. The Iranian government was between a rock (Islamists) and a hard place (communists) prior to the coup and the former put pressure on Mossadegh to accept no compromise whatsoever. America already had a plan of action in place to oust Mossadegh before the British came along.
As early as January 1952, members of this aggressive group and
British intelligence officials were exchanging information that
explored the feasibility of a coup to oust Mossadegh. While
Truman was still in office, the CIA under Smith actually implemented
a destabilization program codenamed BEDAMN, which worked to splinter
the National Front. In November of 1952, British intelligence
tried to convince American intelligence officials to cooperate in a
joint effort aimed at a coup. The British played on American fears
by raising the specter of a communist threat to Iran (simultaneously,
violent communist-instigated riots took place in Iraq). 43 Later in
February 1953, after Eisenhower had assumed office, the British and
Americans agreed to work together to replace Mossadegh with an
anti-communist strong man, General Fazlullah Zahidi, who was also
loyal to the Shah and connected to Kashani.
The new guard had different ideas for Iran. President
Eisenhower's group were more apt to support their British allies to
prevent dire consequences that would result if Mossadegh remained in
power. For the British, these consequences were damage to their
prestige, influence, and vital commercial interests in the Middle
East. For the new American administration, the consequences were
already weakening Iran and increasing its vulnerability to Soviet
penetration. They were convinced that Mossadegh was the main
hindrance to an oil settlement; he was playing a cat and mouse game
in the talks, which gave the Americans the impression he was not
serious. 38 With no hope of a settlement, a communist takeover in
Iran seemed inevitable. Eisenhower's group, which had a mandate to
change from Truman's "treadmill" foreign policy and were "eager to
improve upon the record of their predecessors and to show that their
fresh outlook could significantly enhance the national interest,"
chose to take the offensive in Iran. 3
I sperged more here.

Operation Ajax/Boot were 100% justified since it slowed the enshittification of Iran by at least 20 years and didn't result in the loss of a single Western life. The biggest mistake made by the CIA/MI6 was assuming Mossadegh and Iranian nationalists were the big danger and not the Islamists and Kashani, who had covertly arranged the assassination of the previous Prime Minister for achieving a compromise that might've averted the decline entirely.
Kashani also brought with him another force -- the fear of
political assassination. The Fidaiyan, in full support of Kashani,
were also backing nationalization and opposing the government of
Razmara. Razmara stubbornly resisted the call to nationalize the oil
industry and tried to maneuver into a position that would enable him
to present secret, new AIOC proposals which responded to Aramco's
r0/50 deal with Saudi Arabia (signed in December 1950).9 His
maneuverings only made him seem more like a British stooge and he was
assassinated on March 7, 1951, presumably by a Fidaiyan fanatic. The
accused assassin, Khalil Tahmasibi, was very cool in the aftermath:
"If I have rendered a humble service, it was for Allah in order to
deliver the deprived Muslim people of Iran from foreign seifdom."10
Kashani praised the killer in jubilation, as Tehran and Western
embassies were jittery.
 
More over the horizon impacts that took out two bushes and an olive tree. No reports of deaths, injuries, or damage. Sad
There was at least a third that got smacked in frame, not counting however many got turned to glitter outside the atmosphere off-camera.

Iran army chief Ali Shademani assassinated in secret mountain compound near Tehran

The IDF waited for dozens of senior IRGC officers to move to the "secret" location, in the mountains outside of Tehran, and then killed them all at the same time.

How many senior IDF commanders has Iran whacked so far?

Gonna be real with ya Eurobros. If the question comes down to later "deal with a more nuclear armed middle east or Europe gets migrant crisis 2.0"

My mindset is going to end up being "welp Europe better work on them borders." I'm not gonna just sit and watch as the ape slowly picks up a gun to point it at me just because you can't learn to lock your doors.
So like, honestly, I'm on the fence over intervention (obviously just a quick bombing is better than some sustained invasion). There are good arguments for, there are good arguments against and there is a valid level of situational timing "well maybe 20 years ago, but Americans are tired of sandbox wars".

But the whole "bro then Europe will get more refugees!" is so fucking strange and stupid to me.

It's like saying you can't fix your car's tire because your gay retarded brother will try to shove the lugwrench up his ass when you're done, then be eternally mad at you for fixing your tire because it caused him to shove a lugwrench up his ass.

If a nuclear armed Iran is truly an issue for America, then what Europe does to themselves in the aftermath should be little concern for fixing the issue at hand.
If refugees are such a big issue for Europe, then Europe can just fucking not let them in.
 
Right, what's Israel and Iran's respective strategies?

From what I can see, Israel wants to blow up enough of the Iranian government that it just collapses, while Iran's goal is to just kill as many Jews as possible
Iran: Return to status quo (maybe without the weight of paying for proxies around their neck) I.E. "Death to Israel!" Does nothing — No certainty on if they'll stop the proxies though, or maybe they'll promise it for peace even though it's what they were intending to do anyway. If the Ayatollah can get to the end of this without losing power he'll try to.
Israel: To achieve anything. Right now all the damage Iran can inflict on Israel could pretty much be "painted over" with a generous aid package. And even if they achieve nothing Netanyahu might win since the populace and other parties are behind him for the moment.

If refugees are such a big issue for Europe, then Europe can just fucking not let them in.
It's so frustrating how a lot of European governments don't really want them but they need to keep kayfabe. They usually just chuck them into their neighbours or let them move through without hindrance because they won't be their problem if they go somewhere else. I do appreciate that Americans expressing the sentiment of "We need to in because Europe!" for equally sentimental reasons, but believe it or not, refugee crisis 2.0 can't make things any worse than they already are, at least in the UK. Silver lining is that nations are inching towards it. Remember how much of a meme Sweden was? Now they're an example.
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America was able to do something quicker about their immigrant problem thanks to having more power in the executive, but in Europe the majority of the legislature needs to be on board. Bad for expediency, but good for making sure you don't run into faggot representatives who can undermine the entire party if they're that one guy, ya know?
 
My favorite aspect of the nothing happening is that thousands of Iranians have likely been killed but no one gives any kind of shit about them so it still counts as nothing. I'd argue Israel can kill as much as 90% of them before anyone even begins to consider discussing if that counts as something.

All this worry over the last 50 years over nothing!
 
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