2025 Israel vs Iran War

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

We have peaceful relations with a list of Sunni Muslim countries

Press X for Doubt.

Peaceful in what context? Time? Immigration? Entitlement? Self loathing and hatred of white people? 50 years? 100 years? 1000 years?

 

[Burnt Fish]

One required congressional oversight, the other just used to require it.

Agree to an extent but what I think is more directly in play is The Military already has it's paycheck from it's yearly budget and isn't waiting on the pencil pushers for funding, Aid packages to Ukraine on the other hand need to go through all the beurocracy of that because it's not just established with a yearly budget being an irregular thing.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

The KC-135s refueling the B-2s have turned off their transponders after they left the NOTAM area northwest of Hawaii. Here's a map with a very rough ETA for the B-2s to reach their target.

It's obvious that these films are nothing more than ads to improve military recruitment. Kinda sad state of reality that US regime tries to approximate NK.

The DoD has been doing this for decades. Strategic Air Command from the 50s was even more on the nose propaganda. They did the same thing with the Michael Bay Transformers movies.

 

[Muad'Dick]

Iran has to go. I'm sick of all of the Iranian lobbyists and politicians with dual-Iranian nationality. Every time you turn on the TV its anti-Persian this, anti-Persian that. If you even question the Persian Famine of 1917 they start making laws cracking down on free speech. Why are Iranians so overrepresented in media, academia and finance too? Its the Iranian nepotism isn't it? Lets not even start on the tunnels under every mosque. Whats that all about? They've gotta go!

 

[SpergRush]

Having seats for them does not mean they do not wish them, and all others on earth, death. Its placation for simple minds like you to go "but seeee they have seats for them! They can't possibly want to irradicate everyone like their religion says!". They want you kneeling facing mecca or dead.

How come Iran doesn't chant "Death to Germany"? Maybe they are opposed to the U.S. for specific foreign policy reasons.

Iran spent decades talking on the destruction of Israel and funneling money to organisations and countries who are active enemies of it. It pretty much needs to be put down before they are able to get nukes to make their threat way larger.

Meanwhile Egypt has a peace treaty, and Saudi Arabia has shared economic and political interests.

I guess you'd feel this way if your overriding concern is preserving Israeli dominance. Personally, I'd rather see the US pressure Israel to make concessions and enter peace talks in earnest. I believe we could cool down the mid east and, if we were really even handed, maybe start to pry Iran away from China.

Look the two wolves have brought on a sheep to be the third vote. So I guess wolves are compatible with sheep.

Iran has never committed a genocide. They've always been decently tolerant of their ethnic minorities.

Even look back at the Persian Constitution of 1906 and amendment of 1907, before there was U.S. or Israeli hegemony. They granted rights to minorities then. This wasn't for optics reasons. It was cause the Persians don't suck and they didn't feel like brutalizing the people that lived in their borders.

And its initial decapitation strike whilst impressive appears not to have incapacitated Iran nor seems likely to provoke regime change, now.

And it will regime change into what? The only way it becomes a loyal Israeli vassal state is if we take away their democracy and impose another monarchy or similar.

 

[Overly Serious]

Press X for Doubt.

Peaceful in what context? Time? Immigration? Entitlement? Self loathing and hatred of white people? 50 years? 100 years? 1000 years?

America did about $20bn in trade in last year with Saudi Arabia. You did Sweet FA trade with Iran, but are you telling me that the reason for the difference is because Sunni Islam is so wildly compatible with Western European values? You - a guy with a Hitler avatar who loves to rail against Islam all over these boards? YOU are going to make a case for the compatibility of Sunni Islam with Western Culture? If so I can't wait to hear it. If not, you also are supporting my point. The reason for the gung-ho attitude to bombing Iran has fuck all to do with "their culture is incompatible" and all to do with the fact that they are a regional rival to Israel and have normalised relations with Russia.

The sheer credulity of some on this thread is amazing me. It's Real Politik. Or do people really think this is going to be the first war in human history started out of moral concern rather than political gain and geopolitical power?

You're the second person to reply to my post now addressing what you'd rather I said than what I did.

 

[Dawdler]

The KC-135s refueling the B-2s have turned off their transponders after they left the NOTAM area northwest of Hawaii. Here's an map with a very rough ETA for the B-2s to reach their target.

That's the most insane route I've seen and opens them completely to AA given they fly over the sea and over hostile territory. Bombings in iraq vere done via italy airport and straight from USA too.

 

[Crex Crex]

Iran has seats in their parliament specifically allocated to religious minorities.
- 2 for Armenians
- 1 for Jews
- 1 for Assyrians
- 1 for Zoroastrians

Bold of you to think Iran's parliament matters anything. All """elected""" bodies in the IRI are basically a front for the Ayatollah.

 

[pistolwhipped]

So I guess they are compatible with other religions and groups.

90% of the Jewish population of Iran who moved to LA and Great Neck New York after the revolution would say otherwise

 

[Burnt Fish]

Iran has never committed a genocide. They've always been decently tolerant of their ethnic minorities.

Even look back at the Persian Constitution of 1906 and amendment of 1907, before there was U.S. or Israeli hegemony. They granted rights to minorities then. This wasn't for optics reasons. It was cause the Persians don't suck and they didn't feel like brutalizing the people that lived in their borders.

you don't need to explain to me that historically Iran has been an alright place, I don't think you need to explain that to much of anyone. Even the most rabid anti-iranian will tell you they think the country was better historically than many if not all of it's neighbors but no longer think it's true in modern times.

(also for the record as it's at the root of what people are going back and forth with I don't think Iran should be bombed "because they're muslims", I just see that as a happy little bonus)

 

[Lonely khan]

Question is if those Iranians feel comfortable giving their unfiltered thoughts

Incorrect. Iranian-Islam is not compatible with other human life on Earth

A couple of few things

A. We have admitted former IDF ITT, when farmers thought they were giving the party line no one was silent on expressing that opinion
B. You could learn a lot about something by listening to it's propaganda, particularly if you are aware propaganda exists
C. The prime minister of Israel has talked about the want for regime change, knowing what the Iranian's states opinion would be is valuable, having several ordinary citizens speak about it would be invaluable.
D. I, as an American, am supposed to buy back into the dubya era idea that Iran is weeks away from a nuclear weapon, but I can negate all interceding 20 years of articles talking about how Iran is primed for a democratic uprising and should assume that I'd only be hearing shit from the Iranian ministry of propaganda.
E. I'm also supposed to assume that the only people in Iran that would come to the farms would be the strictest Muslims and not the loneliest of gamers?

If anyone thinks that every Iranian is so pozzed with Islamic extremism that they shouldn't be allowed to talk here I don't every want to see your pfp with a comment talking about regime change and I hope you're petitioning for Josh to rangeban Israel since you guys hate state propaganda that much.

*edit/grammar

 

[>IMPLYING]

Pakistan

They're wholesome now.

They can't possibly want to irradicate everyone like their religion says!"

Fingers crossed for the proliferation of Ahmadiyya (Muslim Mormonism). Any day now...

The founder was not a paedophile or a polygamist, which is already an improvement over Muhammed.
I also just want any excuse to share that last image, the idea of a "Prayer Duel" is so funny to me.

 

[Dawdler]

Bold of you to think Iran's parliament matters anything. All """elected""" bodies in the IRI are basically a front for the Ayatollah.

Bold of you to think American's parliament matters anything. All """elected""" bodies in the USA are basically a front for the Netanyahoo.
I mean ... it's everywhere ...

 

[SpergRush]

Bold of you to think Iran's parliament matters anything. All """elected""" bodies in the IRI are basically a front for the Ayatollah.

I think their treatment of their ethnic minorities signals their intent and disposition. While surely a theocracy, Iran has clearly never been hell bent on destroying minority groups.

Iran is clearly far more democratic than say, the Sauds.

90% of the Jewish population of Iran who moved to LA and Great Neck New York after the revolution would say otherwise

The early republic was obviously very aggressive to Zionists, and it probably wasn't unreasonable for Jews to be afraid. Nevertheless, the trouble was clearly rooted in Zionism, not inherent hatred for Jews, which had lived peacefully in Iran for millenia. And, of course, Iran still has the largest Jewish population in the mid east outside of Israel today.

 

[Overly Serious]

And it will regime change into what? The only way it becomes a loyal Israeli vassal state is if we take away their democracy and impose another monarchy or similar.

Iranians are foul creatures incompatible with Western Values and deserve to be bombed. Also, if we free them of the regime they will be a happy and grateful democracy just like us.

The duality of Kiwi Farms.

Bold of you to think Iran's parliament matters anything. All """elected""" bodies in the IRI are basically a front for the Ayatollah.

In the UK more people voted against Tony Blair than for him and he got a parliamentary majority. In France last year National Rally (LePen) got a majority and then in a second round of voting all the other parties engaged in a suddenly announced alliance and seat trading to keep them out. And early this year a French court declared her ineligible to be a candidate because her secretary did the wrong sort of work for her. In Germany they've been trying to figure out how to make the AfD candidates ineligible and the German intelligence services have been spying on their communications for the State. In Georgia the result of the election was overturned because the people voted the wrong way and Romania the courts have just cancelled an election half-way through because an anti-EU candidate was winning.

Honestly, we make Iran's democracy look like a shining star. Maybe Europe should be bombed? (Don't answer that).

90% of the Jewish population of Iran who moved to LA and Great Neck New York after the revolution would say otherwise

90% of the ones who moved, yes. But then that's a Hell of a Selection Bias. The 90% who stayed not so much.

Anyway, I have things to do. Nobody's mind will be changed by this. But doesn't mean pointing out bias is worthless.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

It's engaged in wars with nearly every neighbour it has and if called on it, declares it was "defensive" or "pre-emptive".

I mean they overwhelmingly were. Look at how absolutely fist fucked Israel was in 1948. I would be a highly militarized, aggressive, paranoid leader if that's how my nation was founded, too.

The only winning move for America is not to play.

The winning move is definitely destroying Iranian nuclear capacity.

How difficult is it for Iran to replace these TELs?

It will take time. Iran has a fairly robust defense industrial base, but the annual output for TELs isn't exactly huge, and scaling up would be extremely difficult, as the TELs required for Iran's largest TELs are uh, pretty fucking big. They're 10x10 trucks. Overall I would say, if they lost half of their units in this conflict, they could return to pre war capabilities within two years if they surged production. I'm pretty confident in that estimate. Obviously there's a lot of factors involved and a lot of unknown factors entirely, but yeah, I'd ballpark it 18-36 months. That's if they are made domestically, of course. Iranian missiles are mainly copies and derivatives of SCUD type and Nork missiles, so they have a lot of interoperability with Chinese TELs. If the Chinese give or sell them replacements, this timeline is sped up.

To answer the broader question, these losses don't neutralize Iran as a threat, and they can be rebuilt in the medium term, but they will not be replaced over the course of this conflict.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Now why would they talk about this? May it be that Israel bombed them before? No no no, that can't be. They are angels, right?

I can't find any record of event of Israel bombing Iran predating them talking on the destruction of Israel (around 2005).

I guess you'd feel this way if your overriding concern is preserving Israeli dominance. Personally, I'd rather see the US pressure Israel to make concessions and enter peace talks in earnest. I believe we could cool down the mid east and, if we were really even handed, maybe start to pry Iran away from China.

People keep alluding to Israeli dominance when it's the other country that engaged hostilities.

 

[Disaffected Coyote]

Iran still has the largest Jewish population in the mid east outside of Israel today.

How tolerant of them, having to deal with such a large amount of Jews.

 

[Dawdler]

I can't find any record of event of Israel bombing Iran predating them talking on the destruction of Israel (around 2005).

Do you live under a rock? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Do you live under a rock? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

Unless the second 2 is a mistake, then just as I said, Iran talked hostilities against Israel for decades at that point and sponsored terrorist organizations. The idea the Israeli response was unwarranted is insane.