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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

I doxed you Wales. You're Womble McWomble from Wimbledom common. Time to get the thread highlighted for halal lolcows.

Tenner bets he's Uncle Bulgaria

 

[Oxyjen]

A normal day in Britishland. This guy complains about a kiddy fiddling priest, sends a strongly worded email to his superiors in the church.

Cut to, guy: is handcuffed and dragged away in front of his kids, thrown in jail, computers confiscated etc.

 

[>IMPLYING]

When pro-white posters get excited for Reform and Reform start offering parts of the country up to brown oil barons I don't get the hype.

I think I gave a decent answer why here. A majority of Reform's MPs are more hardline than Farage regarding the issue of browns and are willing to go further than he is. He sacked Lowe but if he began slicing off more dissidents he'd kill the party and lose his grift. As we've seen with May and Truss, if the majority of the party doesn't like their PM they can just fuck them off (probably won't be Farage's fate but the possibility makes me smile).

The main hope is what comes if they win and the majority of MPs are ultimately in opposition to Farage, which is probably the case for the majority of Reform at the moment, Lowe was the only one who voiced his complaint and paid for it. They also represent a shakeup to the status quo, which a lot of people on the Right really need at the moment. Reform has 3 voices of pro-status quo pressure release bullshit (Farage, Tice, guy who replaced Yusuf) versus the other 3 (the rest of the elected MPs. formerly 4 with Tice) who actually espouse and push for the right things. And this group can't be underestimated, considering their push for Burkha bans went in opposition to Yusuf, who subsequently had to be demoted to Kent.

That's where a lot of my hope lies: every MP who joined Reform is better than those who formed it. Until more join, get seats, and utterly ruin it somehow (which isn't a guarantee, considering how MPs are selected in the country) I see no reason to be entirely despondent yet. And even if they're joining it to grift off a gullible voter base, their stereotype of a Reform voter is "hate immigrants, hate Muslims", which, well, it's a start and has them say the right things, even it's performative.

The biggest annoyance is time, and we're a bit off yet. Starmer being forced to resign would be hilarious, but we're still not guaranteed an election before 2029.

Edit:

The public think they elected anti-immigration and they just keep coming and coming and coming and coming.

I am genuinely of the mind that the Tories had no idea why they got elected and assumed it was entirely the result of the economy and copying Blair, a mindset they carried into subsequent elections, because nobody in parliament can use a fucking computer apparently. They even assumed this of Brexit too, Farage assumes this of Brexit. They don't have a fucking clue.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I am genuinely of the mind that the Tories had no idea why they got elected and assumed it was entirely the result of the economy and copying Blair, a mindset they carried into subsequent elections, because nobody in parliament can use a fucking computer apparently. They even assumed this of Brexit too, Farage assumes this of Brexit. They don't have a fucking clue.

They are very aware of what the public think of mass immigration. They just don't care.

 

[ChefKiss]

At what point are people going to snap ? When is this going to erupt in violence ?

There already is violence, especially in Ireland, the media just keeps quiet because they dont want people to get the idea that it works and start doing it more

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

There won't be a GE, Labour have no need to push to have a new one, or change leader. There's a long time between now and August 2029, including the US election; the removal of Trump, and the ramp-up to Agenda 2030.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

The idea we're going to get a GE is retarded. I think it's because people have not internalised reality. The government hates you, it doesn't like you, it thinks it's funny when you suffer, and it has no need to follow your wishes. You have no recourse in this that can compel anything. There is nothing you or I can LEGALLY do which will make the government do anything. The government does things because it wants to, and labour does not want to give up power.

If Starmer left tomorrow, we would have someone new from labour. We could cycle a prime minister a week, and the date of the next GE will not shift a single minute. The only thing that makes government bodies do anything that they don't want to do, is force. The government has a monopoly on that; so we're up shit creek until 2029.

What are you - as in you the person reading this - going to do if we don't get a GE before 2029? Is it worth going to prison over? No, you have an internet connection, so you presumably chose life, and will continue to choose life. Be realistic about things.

 

[Zoot]

overall, jeets are the biggest sex pests. Who would have thought it?

Nige didn't want to talk about it though. SHUT IT DOWN.!

 

[Kofi Drinka]

If Starmer left tomorrow, we would have someone new from labour. We could cycle a prime minister a week, and the date of the next GE will not shift a single minute. The only thing that makes government bodies do anything that they don't want to do, is force. The government has a monopoly on that; so we're up shit creek until 2029.

The tories tried the same thing and it collapsed their party. If your party looks weak and can't cement it's own authority it can hold onto government control but loses it's ability to function. Look at how many PMs the conservatives jumped through before ending up with a cabbage, a limp wristed paki and now a gorilla. And what good did it do? They held onto big P power but lost all the meaningful power and once voted out they collapsed into nothing.

Calling an election and proving you still hold legitimate power can be a way to round up your sheep and put confidence back into the flock. If they try to hold onto power when they have very low polling numbers it encourages MPs to defect to parties like Reform. They will jump parties to keep their jobs and if you know 2029 means no hope of election there's no reason not to jump to Reform who will win 2029 by a land side. Labour and Starmer especially needs the air of authority to feed their ego. He is the type of petty manager type who will demand respect and put his foot down with an election. He won't be able to stand people questioning his legitimacy so he will "show them" by holding an election.

We like to think the politicians are stupid and we can run circles round them but they aren't. You don't get into a den of vipers and make it to the top by being an idiot. It only takes one "she looks tired" to deflate an upcoming politician and there's a room full of people wanting to take their place. We shouldn't act like they're idiots who can't see the problems they're causing or that they don't know what the people think of them. They know and they will try to manage it. The biggest danger from people like Starmer and labour knowing no one likes them is they can go scorched earth on the way out. The benefits bill, baby murder and granny murder on the NHS look like scorched earth policies. They're the type of thing they want, the public doesn't want but if they're planning to leave power in 2025-6 then they can force those things through, set up their big tech jobs with government contract bribery and be out the door. Knowing the Tories are still very weak and Reform is vulnerable to media smear campaigns and lack their own media to counter them. Force through unpopular legislation, retreat for an election cycle then come back next having cleaned out the potential traitors and presenting a "we got rid of Starmer, we're better now" face. The uniparty has done it many times between them and it's not like they haven't had to content with parties like Reform before and crushed them through liberal media's tried and true tactics.

@Zoot Bit unfair to Nige there lad. He did say there are more than racial issues to that and religioin is an issue too. And ends with "This is going to become a bigger issue, an explosive issue". He addressed the topic in a way the public will like and gave a soundbyte for people to use. He did avoid going into it in depth but he got the right message across and the public doesn't care if it's Indians or Muslims, they're the same group to the general public. Brown = Muslim = GET OFF MY ISLAND.

 

[Otterly]

depending on how far in advance he calls the GE

You really think we are getting one? I don’t see why they would, they’d be massacred (metaphorically.) * what do they gain from a GE?
*sadly

 

[Zoot]

Bit unfair to Nige there lad

Perhaps I am. Came across as evasive to me. But I haven't seen the longer clips so there might be a reason why in the fuller context, if i'm being fair.

 

[Eddie Riggs]

What Britain needs is King Kong to destroy everything and have it be rebuilt anew.

 

[They were once men]

I'm starting to think aliens are real and they work for the BBC.

 

[Oxyjen]

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I'm starting to think aliens are real and they work for the BBC.

Can’t really see the problem, he looks just like a member of the British Royalty?

 

[Zoot]

I'm starting to think aliens are real and they work for the BBC.

Can’t really see the problem, he looks just like a member of the British Royalty?

He looks like a rothschild

 

[Made In Wales]

You really think we are getting one? I don’t see why they would, they’d be massacred (metaphorically.) * what do they gain from a GE?
*sadly

They would gain nothing but possibly everything as well:

It's a checkmate situation for Starmer with the Disability Bill and now today's talk of 'we have to prepare for war and for the UK to potentially be invaded' (the fact that we're invaded daily means nothing to him...)

Should this rebellion happen, and over 150 MP's tell Starmer to BTFO, we're then left with a minority Government and none of the other parties would vote to keep Starmer or Labour in power.

They'd be the largest party at 253 MP's but not enough for a majority and even with the Lib Dems in coalition they'd fall short.

My take (FWIW) is that Labour have had enough - of Starmer, of the abuse and the fact that they are seen as worse than the Tories ever were. The reputational damage is going to end them and they will die a quicker death than the Tories who will try to amble on in some form:

* The Unions hate Starmer

* The Woke Left hate Starmer (they're also furious at him proscribing Palestine Action and banning them from all UK Airports - arguably, this is one of very few sensible things Starmer's done whilst in office).

* Labour are constantly lagging behind Reform UK in the polls and Farage is favoured more than Starmer, Davey and Badenoch.

The gains would be that Starmer's international profile has been boosted and he can still make money from the lecture circuits giving speeches like Blair did. Also, as previously stated, it's then up to Reform UK to sort the problems out and to prove that they are the answer to our prayers - a sensible budget in October with the axing of the Green Deals, BBC, Covid debts etc. and commitment to low tax and a low cost of living would go down well even with the opposition.

Apparently, Labour MP's want to vote on removing Reeves before October as well. The disconnect between frontbench and the backbenchers is sizeable, when they should all be united behind the leader they couldn't be more hacked off and disappointed in the whole sad affair.

I don't believe that Labour believe in themselves and the greatest gain of all is stopping the freak show now before it does any more damage (or there is a national mass rebellion).

 

[Kier Starmer]

The only thing I will say is we are in very strange times and a clown world timeline. I will say if a GE were to be called, I would not be surprised. This government is the most inexperienced government in decades, if not a century. They are all out of their depth and ideologues with not a single finger on the pulse. I have seen numerous comments from the newer backbenchers, and they seem astounded by how incompetent the cabinet is.

As for Keir, he is done. He should see this as a clear message to go because his party has no faith in him whatsoever. If you apply the 128 signatures, he does not even have a majority anymore. The stuff about Number 10 being a clusterfuck sounds about right; stories of constant fighting and comers and goers. Hermer is said to be everywhere in Number 10. None of the departments communicates with each other, and it seems like a messy house (figuratively speaking).

Also, Ange said the vote is happening on Tuesday; he has 2 days to negotiate with rebels who "don't care if they lose the whip." My dude, if these rebels are willing to kill your majority in one fell swoop, then this is a VONC.

 

[>IMPLYING]

You really think we are getting one? I don’t see why they would, they’d be massacred (metaphorically.) * what do they gain from a GE?
*sadly

I already stated in a prior post that it's very unlikely we'd get one before 2029, but the only argument I could see for the contrary is the prospect of enough Labour MPs being naïve idealists (and retarded) that pushing a "new message" will be enough to keep them in power based on the supposed righteousness of said message alone.

To them it'd solidify the legitimacy of the further Left-wing rhetoric, that they're morally correct, and point to said victory as proof that it's what the people wanted all along. The rebels are either:
1. Actively trying to subvert/change the direction of the party to be more "Corbyn" and less "Blair" (Leftism as opposed to Neoliberalism)
2. Genuinely believe they're in the moral right and so need to do something ("Principled", performative or no)
3. Think Starmer is bringing them all down with him (Self-preservation)
4. Possibly all of the above.

I think these rebels might be of the belief that, were there to be a GE tomorrow with Starmer gone and replaced with some generic Progressive/Lefty saying the usual talking points, they'd remain in charge, or they themselves might preserve their seats exclusively because they stuck to their ideals and the rest will go down to a metaphorical hell for believing in false idols (benefit cuts).

Like I said I don't think it's likely but I could see the avenue for some of Labour being all for it. Not on the premise they'd gain as a whole but on the premise they wouldn't lose quite so much. Based on recent precedent, they'd likely expect a result similar to May's unnecessary election regarding Brexit after the resignation of Cameron. They'd lose some seats, but ultimately remain a majority, possibly forced into some kind of coalition at worse, possibly with someone like the Greens or the new-ish Independent Alliance.

Edit:


I think these guys are gearing to make that Muslim party. Corbyn is apparently reluctant but maybe he has some actual measure of self-awareness and realises that he might end up the only white guy in a Muslim party they keep around for kayfabe-reasons to argue the contrary.

 

[Made In Wales]

I saw the peak of western society and I reflect back on it now as being quite shit. Kids TV was full of nogs and groomers. The fashion was shit and the mass produced culture looks like the first part of the slippery slope. I am a miserable bastard (and my name is Edward "Eddie" Hitler BTW MI6) but I'm also a realist. When pro-white posters get excited for Reform and Reform start offering parts of the country up to brown oil barons I don't get the hype. It reminds me of the Trump first term where hype was making Trump out to be a saviour instead of a Jewish goon. It wasn't until someone tried to give him an extra air hole that he started to practice what he preached.

Reform has the potential to be a step in the right direction. It also has the potential to release the pressure because they talk big but act like the Tory party did when they get in power. The public think they elected anti-immigration and they just keep coming and coming and coming and coming.

Time is very tight. There will be false saviours and grifters trying to waste it. I think reform could be useful but I also know this is British politics and the Uniparty doesn't mean red or blue. It means every party and any alternatives that threaten it have to survive being taken over by ship jumpers wanting to steer it into the rocks.

I doxed you Wales. You're Womble McWomble from Wimbledom common. Time to get the thread highlighted for halal lolcows.

Oh dear...

I did wonder why the Riot Squad was around earlier

 

[Clem Fandango]

Chunky salsa put it best. Look, ya ain't getting one. It's going to be a loooong 4 years if you keep getting your hopes up for a GE every time the govt looks weak or does something stupid/unpopular/retarded. They'll be doing that a lot.