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Should be a wild four years.

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General Barbecue gonna be eating good tonight!

Speaking of, what's good for the 4th? I gotta go get some fireworkers and shit for the young uns and such. Hopefully shit isn't outrageously priced for some fountains and spinners and things. Thinking burgers on the grill and yes, yes, MEXICAN corn.
 
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My fucking sides. Iran had a way out and they fucked it

They couldn't help it. Playing to domestic situation is a bigger issue than foreign one.

I think you're both misreading this. Trump knows that they're lying to their own people (and that their own people know this) to save face and he has no reason to care about them doing this. This is Trump publicly signaling to Iran that he's perfectly fine with (or even prefers) them replacing Khamenei or sidelining him so that Iran can stop pissing away all of their money funding terrorists and that the rest of the world can stop sanctioning them. Once the Ayatollah is dead, expect some significant shifts in direction for Iran. The rest of the world would be ever so glad for Iran to stop being a batshit crazy theocracy as would a large number of Iranians.
 
i've said multiple times that the alternative is to restrict access to sites based on your device. make all normal computing devices adult only and create a new type of device that has government mandated whitelists on them. this will prevent children from accessing porn sites not only in the US but globally. if there's any place where children can talk to adults there should be stringent laws on what kind of access that adult has to the child

this will keep children away from porn and from groomers. it will create black and white divides between spaces for minors and spaces for adults. if a child is caught with an adult device then it will be easy to tell they've not supposed to have it and the police can investigate whoever gave them the device, just like they could investigate who sold them alcohol or weed. likewise, if a childless adult has one of these devices without a good reason then it's concrete evidence that they're trying to contact minors for some reason

the actual fix is to get children off of the general internet, not to have adults jump through intrusive hoops to access legal content
This sounds like a really good idea. It's retard-proof unless the parent gives the kid access to the adult device. Wouldn't that just push the problem back a step, though (from your perspective)? Wouldn't there be the issue of the Dems removing sites with religious, race-related, or anti-LGBT etc. information from the whitelist? Or restricting it to "get-groomed-and-become-a eunuch-for-the-empire.com"?

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Don't know what these guys' objection is.

Or prosecute parents who let their children view explicit content. Weird how the party of "reformed single moms" never ever wants to do anything that would actually punish neglectful single mothers.
This is also a good idea, but is the population too retarded to make it plausible to enforce?
 
I think you're both misreading this. Trump knows that they're lying to their own people (and that their own people know this) to save face and he has no reason to care about them doing this. This is Trump publicly signaling to Iran that he's perfectly fine with (or even prefers) them replacing Khamenei or sidelining him so that Iran can stop pissing away all of their money funding terrorists and that the rest of the world can stop sanctioning them. Once the Ayatollah is dead, expect some significant shifts in direction for Iran. The rest of the world would be ever so glad for Iran to stop being a batshit crazy theocracy as would a large number of Iranians.
Iran is not going to go non theocratic or moderate imo, the IRGC has too much power and are too devoted to the theocracy. Best case scenario is a Shia Junta
 
Why is it so hard for parents to grasp this concept? Parent your kids, but no they want to allocate that responsibility to the Gov't. Theres tools out there to secure and turn your home network into a hugbox for your kid, Its so easy. Plus your kid shouldnt be online to begin with
Because parents these days want to have their cake and eat it too. They want the status and benefits of a parent but don't want to put in the work that makes a parent a parent. It's why they will shove their kids in front of the TV 24/7 while they fuck-off to do something else. It's why they will dump their kids with grandma even though she already went through this shit decades ago and thought she was free from all of that. It's why we have things like speed zones and street cameras all over the place because rather than tell little jimmy to "get the fuck off of the street or else you will die", they instead believe relying on the government to do the parenting is a brilliant idea.
 
Porn isn’t speech.

I love when American liberals unironically criticize FDR for his expansion of Federal power without realizing it.
The issue about Porn not being speech is looking into who is funding it and where are their data-centers and where are they incorporated.

Another issue is that once we "Justly" ban porn or provide government assistance to parents on limiting access to it.
The conversation then turns to what else is attempting to groom or sexualize my Child. (Namely Pride Parades, drag Queen story hours, Childrens LGBTQ books etc....)

Because of the recent SC decision to allow religious parents to pull their children out of class when they are being groomed. Many Groomers (Pedophiles) fear that they are losing access to other peoples children (which they consider is a right protected under free speech and expression).

If these issues are pressed enough we could see the return of "Public Indecency laws" banning Sex Shops in public areas (like Spencers in Malls where kids can wonder in and see Dildos and other sex toys) and banning Pride Parades outright.
Truely if those laws come back these deviants will be forced "off the streets and into the bedroom" (where they promised all of this gay shit would have stayed when King Obama forced LGBTQAIP+ unto the American People)
 
You can say "I don't want my kid reading that" and they can't punish your kid in any way including deducting points.

This is literally the same thing we had for "evolution" books in my high school a few decades ago. If kids (/ the kids parents) didn't want to hear about evolution and natural selection, the teacher had a slate of "alternate materials" he kept at his desk which he held in open disdain, and made sure to offer the class the option to read those in the library instead of sitting through class that day.
This sounds like what was in place during my own junior high years. My best friend at the time had his parents opt him out of sex ed because they believed it was their job and theirs alone to teach him about that and not a school's. He was sent to the library to work on homework and play solitaire.

Reading the gay books opinions, I think behind the scenes what basically happened is the schools deliberately put the books sprinkled into the English program instead of in their own special lesson specifically so that opt-outs would cause a clusterfuck.
A number of school districts looked for creative end-around methods to sidestep parental objections. I forget in which state it was, but one school district decided to include its LGBTetc content in the mandatory presentations against bullying specifically so parents would be unable to opt their kids out. SCOTUS, through its ruling, has metaphorically said, Nice try, but sorry, Charlie 🐟.
 
I just read twenty pages of this and didn't multiquote but here are my general thoughts.

1. Leftists are aware that many Palestinians would not be accepting of LGBT people. Many of them are religious extremists, and in Gaza, all of them have spent their entire lives languishing in a slum-prison. Some Palestinians are queer themselves, and some are accepting of LGBT people, but that has nothing to do with it. Leftists' motivation for supporting Palestine is not self-interested. I suspect a lot of people on the right know this. People don't deserve to be genocided because their views are regressive. No one deserves genocide.

2. It is really weird to see people on a site like this arguing in favour of more verifications and more identifications required for doing anything. Ditto for censorship of what books should and shouldn't be read in public schools. It's as if we're cheerleading your own political death to own the libs. The more authoritarian the state becomes, the more power it can exercise, the more something like Kiwi Farms is anathema to it. I wish more people could put the partisan crackpipe down for two seconds and consider that the enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend.

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if a school was teaching my children that they should... have as much sex as they can, and do so unsafely, you can bet your fucking ass i'd be complaining...
I bet, me too, but when does this happen? Sincere question? Every non-abstinence-only sex ed program I ever encountered managed to teach about condoms, birth control, how pregnancy works, and STIs. The good ones managed to include consent. Every high school I was ever familiar with had condoms available for free. As far as I see, it's generally the sex ed programs driving the idea of safe sex home, and the kids that are going to be kids and ignore the advice anyway.

This is literally the same thing we had for "evolution" books in my high school a few decades ago...
See, this is infuriating. It's as if everyone in the class gets to learn how the world actually works, and this one poor freak gets to read fanfic in the library.

...maybe the ruling on injunctions signals that SCOTUS will rule in favor of Trump on birth right citizenship and we will finally end the entire concept of anchor babies.
So, if not birth, what determines citizenship? Does every potential American citizen have to pass a test like a new immigrant would? At what point in their life? These are sincere questions. I'm having trouble envisioning it.
 
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Barron was born in Manhattan
these people fundamentally misunderstand birthright citizenship.

trump is an american. he was born in america, to americans. barron is his son. he was born in america, to an american father. he is american. there is no world in which he is not american because all of the boxes are ticked.

the 'birthright citizenship' that's on the chopping block these days is, coming to the country, popping out a pedro or a pedrina, and then becoming a US 'citizen' by proxy because you pissed a baby out while you were here illegally.

we already have this kind of carve-out for diplomats and travelers. children born to diplomats in the united states are not citizens. neither are children born here because the parents wanted to come to the country to have the highest medical care possible. there is literally zero reason other than getting infinity taconiggers into the country that 'birthright citizenship' should be a thing now. it existed purely to grant citizenship to blacks who were brought here during the atlantic slave trade, and never should have been put into place at all.

People don't deserve to be genocided because their views are regressive. No one deserves genocide.
agreed. now if only they would stop putting things like "we will genocide the jews" into their political charters for organizations, stop voting parties that support genocide into power, and actually do something more than just try and take over countries when they're given refugee status, that might actually matter, because as it is, the war they started is ongoing because they hate da jooz.

I bet, me too, but when does this happen? Sincere question? Every non-abstinence-only sex ed program I ever encountered managed to teach about condoms, birth control, how pregnancy works, and STIs. The good ones managed to include consent. Every high school I was ever familiar with had condoms available for free. As far as I see, it's generally the sex ed programs driving the idea of safe sex home, and the kids that are going to be kids and ignore the advice anyway.
that's literally my point summed up. heterosexual-led sex education is NOT like that, in any way, but if you look at sex education when it's run by lunatic liberals, that is exactly the sort of thing they advocate. free love, take medicine if you get a disease don't prevent them, etc. if it feels better without a condom do it, it's not like men can get pregnant, etc. that kind of shit is everywhere in lgbt sex education. it's all about 'reducing stigma' for things that are undeniably bad things to do.
 
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Wouldn't that just push the problem back a step, though (from your perspective)? Wouldn't there be the issue of the Dems removing sites with religious, race-related, or anti-LGBT etc. information from the whitelist? Or restricting it to "get-groomed-and-become-a eunuch-for-the-empire.com"?
I mean, this has ultimately always been the problem with 1A jurisprudence wrt obscenity - how do you unambiguously determine what is purely obscene and what is protected speech? Is an art hoe taking nude OF pictures of herself with "FREE GAZA" pornographic or is it an artistic political expression? Do we have to show ID to use twitter now because people post lewd photos and drawings on it? What level of lewd ultimately makes something obscene?

My gut feeling is that a lot of this is going to get neutered as courts have to tackle this on a case-by-case basis and the case law will probably get quite messy.
 
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