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- May 14, 2019
Edit: I wrote shit a million times in this post. I have a problem.
Who amongst collects flags? Without them in front of me, I might be missing some from this list (it's old, hasn't been updated), I doubt I'm going to post every single flag here, as that would take a long time to go through. Instead, we will be looking specifically at my American flags collection with the rest of the world coming in another post.
I mostly fly my flags vertically on my walls, like I'm at the world's coolest 1930s German rally, with some meaningful ones in my office, some in my parlor, and walls of less meaningful ones in my bedroom.
Some of my thoughts/reasons for having these flags are redacted.
APPALACHIA
This really cool flag is an unofficial "bioregion flag." It's mostly associated with libtard faggots and environmentalists. However, I think it is an extremely strong design with a good motivation behind it. They tried to make an explicitly non-ethnic design, and yet fucked up absurdly by putting what looks like a nod to the Scottish saltire right in the middle of it. The scene is of the Blue Ridge Mountains, done up in the pattern of a quilt (the star itself is a common symbol on regional quilts). I am very fond of it. I use it as one of two alternatives to the Confederate flag, which you will see me ramble about at length below.
MY WAR BETWEEN THE STATES COLLECTION
Confederate Army of Tennessee ("the Rebel Flag")
When I was a DiLorenzo (libertarian "it was about tariffs and corporate welfare") Neo-Confederate in younger years I flew this. Over time it made me uncomfortable as I moved away from that stuff, but I still flew it for a long time out of sheer spite. It was a relief to me when I finally took it down. I think it is genuinely one of the most god-tier flag designs of all time, but I don't like having it up anymore; if I need to see one to get a boner, I fly the 3rd National (pictured below).
The difference between this and the Confederate Naval Jack is one of the shade of blue.
Confederate States, 1st National
This is what annoying, pretentious and incorrect shits call the "real" Confederate flag, and I call it incorrect as we'll see in a moment that the Rebel flag is used in the final Confederate state flag as a canton. That said, this was the first one and after Clown World decided that all Rebel flags had to go, people kind of started leaning on it more.
I used to think it was fuck ugly and boring, but honestly, it really, really grows on you. The irony is that it is actually far worse in terms of what it symbolizes, being purely a symbol of the government itself and not of the broader cultural identity the Confederate flag came to take on (part of why I flew it a long time) or resistance to an armed invasion, but, at the same time, the historicity of it makes it feel better. At some point I intend to get one of those Union cavalry guidons (the kind that wasn't the actual Union flag, but is sometimes used in media like a Union equivalent to a Rebel battle flag because it's distinctive). I like doing dueling belligerents themes (each side on a separate wall facing off).
Confederate States, 3rd National
Oh, would you fucking look at that, the official CSA state flag did, by the end, have the Rebel flag on it. Who the fuck could have guessed. The 2nd National, by the way, is the exact same but without the red bar, which made it uglier and is why I don't care about it.
South Carolina Secession Flag
Before there was the flag of the Buc'ees Caliphate, there were these moon runes.
OTHER AMERICAN HISTORY (CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER)
Cajun
The Cajuns are not, despite what a lot of people think, the same as all French Louisianans. They were an ethnic group formed by the expulsion of the French from Acadia (Nova Scotia) during one of the many little colonial wars. These Acadians (à Cajuns) migrated to Louisiana where they remained socially separate from the Plantation French and the cosmopolitan, Caribbean city of New Orleans. Cajuns were mostly poor bayou people, fishermen and later servicers of the oil platforms, discriminated against within their own state. They were strongly neutral during the War between the States and developed a distinctive musical genre called zydeco that makes use of accordion (like a lot of German and German-inflected country music does).
Betsy Ross
Aside from its obvious fame, I prefer this to the modern US flag, not in that I don't think we should represent all states but just aesthetically and in terms of it being the one flag that represents the country in its finest form (the moral aspirations of the Revolutionary generation). People that want to Confederatize it (like how they want to Nazify the Confederacy) can eat shit.
Don't Tread On Me
This is what I promote nowadays as an alternative to the Rebel flag for representing Southern nationalism. The reason is that this American Revolution battle flag was from South Carolina and ultimately went on to keep its original meaning as a symbol of resistance to tyranny in a war that lead to the first Southern war of independence (as part of the broader war of independence) and the brief moment in time when the nation and world at large were heavily influenced by the philosophy of the Virginia planters (Washington, Jefferson, Madison).
The Whiskey Rebellion
The thing is, "the Whiskey Rebellion flag" never existed in this exact form. The thing people circulate around and use as a symbol of it was, of all things, some Federalist campaign bullshit. Regardless, I own this. The Whiskey Rebellion was some bullshit. I can understand the need to have lines in the sand that people can't just disregard any law they don't like, but it was in response to what was effectively a regressive tax (distilleries that were industrial in scale weren't effected, small farmers were) on a commodity currency that this large population of disenfranchised uber-Patriots depended on. This was the original knife in the back before many, many others to the Appalachian people.
Bonnie Blue Flag
The “Bonnie Blue Flag” actually has a history outside of being a Confederate flag. It was used by Texas too, but more importantly by West Florida, an early filibustering expedition (in the vein of Bear Flag California) against what is now Louisiana east of the Mississippi.
Cherokee Nation
I happen to very much like Indians as a topic. I think that people that don't like Indians and jerk off to shit like Vikings should renounce their citizenships and go live in Sweden with the Syrians and see how they like it. The Cherokee are my favorite Indians, not just because of them being local to Appalachia but also due to being absolute Chads. They basically pulled a Meiji Restoration on the scale of an Indian tribe, as did the other Civilized Tribes. See, civilization was the norm, not the exception, in the Indian South. When Hernando de Soto explored it he found many well-developed statelets with small cities, and after the disruption of the smallpox, which was like a localized apocalypse (90% death rates), the Indians (Creeks being the big scary) reorganized themselves pretty well.
The Cherokee were kind of a master race. They were a branch off the Iroquois, the other uber-geniuses of Indian America, and kept up this long-running family feud in which they burn each other to death for sport. They practiced the same kind of corn and beans based agriculture that became the basis of Southern food. They had matrilineal clans and this cool system where you had a choice of which of two gender roles to take on. So like, you had to take the whole package, if you don't like hunting then you also have to dick up the ass and dress like a girl. None of this mixing and matching shit, you can be a man or a woman, but you had damn well better be a GOOD man or woman.
White Man comes along, the Indians take readily to plantation slavery, statehood, Christianity, commercial society, all that shit. They intermarried with Scots all the time, which helped their uplift. Where the Cherokee differed was that they went a step further and actually created their own syllabary. Sequoyah (who, like all great Indians, was part White) doesn't know how to read, but he understands the idea, and he makes up his own system. See, in Cherokee language, all words are cobbled together from a small set of syllables (like, around 40 or so). Since you write exactly as things sound, it's incredibly quick to learn how to read and write, and the Cherokee went to near 100% literacy rates (with their own tribal newspaper) practically overnight.
Ultimately, the greedy peckerwoods kicked them out. What people who don't know anything about the subject don't get is that the Cherokee were not like the savages out on the Plains. They weren't in a state of war with us at the time, they had an organized government. They had basically been doing everything that was expected of them, and more, to get along with the US Government (as Washington wished), and had culturally become European. They wore top hats and shit. So when the State of Georgia kicked it all off by unilaterally violating the Fed's own treaty to kick these people out, it would be like if the govt today decided to kick out all Italian people. It was complete bullshit, so much so that Davy Crockett destroyed his political career over opposing it (story on that under Texas).
Overall, 10/10 Indian tribe, not as aggressive as some others but very much like.
Come and Take It
It looks like shit, to be honest, isn't even a good-looking cannon, you can make a much more militant cannon by putting some wheels on it. Frankly, I don't know why I own it. I may have WANTED to buy the AR-15 version and felt some weird, guilty obligation to get the historical one instead. The words are a reference to that muh Spartans melon labia slogan from the Peloponnesian Wars. The cannon to some shit that was supposed to be Texas' Lexington and Concord. For what it is worth, modern fag historians have tried to Confederatize Texas (what haven't they?). Much of it is true - the Texans were some of the dirtiest most underhanded backstabbers on Earth - but the fact of the matter is that Mexico was under the rule of a literal dictator who had overthrown the rightful government with which the Texans had treated and was facing many rebellions and independence wars, including literally right across the Rio Grande, that had nothing to do with slavery. Ultimately, the Mexicans can eat shit.
48 star United States
I actually specifically own a 48-star US flag because that's the exact flag that the Battle of Blair Mountain coal mining insurgents used. It being the World Wars flag is more incidental to my purpose. I have some getup related to Blair Mountain and would like to one day make a proper shrine to it with like a mannequin to dress in the overalls and bandana and prop with a genuine Swiss Vetterli rifle. Regardless, it's only subtly different than the modern 50-star one, but I very very much prefer its symmetry. Usually I will use it, like the Betsy Ross flag, in place of Globohomo America.
Christian Flag
This flag is the flag of the Federal Council of Churches, an ecumenical council of basically everybody except for Roman Catholics (fuck off) and Mormons (Orthodox and Copts are represented as well as Protestants). You’ll notice that it, being American and from the era that it’s from, very transparently invokes the United States national flag with its blue canton and red-white-and-blue color scheme. Nowadays it is a very common sight across the rural Southern countryside where most churches of any size (which are literally everywhere, often there’s several churches within sight of each other) will have them outside along with wooden crosses.
Trump Campaign Flag
I bought this at a rally in 2016 that a cringey uber-Trump Qtard friend drug me to. Of course, now we know that Trump is as likely to stab us in the back by importing a billion Indians as he is to do anything useful. What Leftards, who don’t argue in good faith, don’t understand is that no amount of betrayal from Trump could make him worse than the party of child molestation, election rigging and affirmative action.
AMERICAN STATES (ALPHABETICAL ORDER)
Almost all good US state flags come from the South and Southwest.
Arizona
Arizona fun fact: During the War between the States, New Mexico Territory (which at that time comprised what became both Arizona and New Mexico) had an internal civil war in which the southern part of the Territory seceded, as Arizona, and joined the Confederate States. The CSA and USA promptly invaded the territory, with Union New Mexico drawing its strength from Colorado Territory mainly and Confederate Arizona drawing mainly from Texas. Meanwhile, the Apache, Navajo and Comanche were all going apeshit. Some of this is depicted in the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Confederate Arizona went on to be completely forgotten by popular memory and is almost always left off of maps. The vindictive faggots running the Union split the territory west-east instead of north-south out of spite.
At one point in the decisive Battle of Valverde, if I'm not mistaken, it came down to a duel with the regimental colors of both units, both of the flagbearers being Mexicans.
Mesilla was the capital. Besides that, I have an interest in the Petrified Forest (I fucking love petrified wood), Grand Canyon, the Hopi and similar people out there, and the Saguaro Forest.
My grandpa worked on the Glen Canyon Dam in Page and my father went to school with Navajos.
Colorado
The Colorado Chads BTFO of the Texas queers. That's not why I own this thing, though, and for personal reasons I despise this flag now. But, nonetheless, it manages to be an extremely strong (top-tier in general, in the world) flag despite having touches of disgusting, soulless corporateness about it.
New Mexico
During the war in the West the Union strived to be the biggest pieces of shit imaginable. Where the Confederates hoped to enslave the Indians, the Union instead "mercifully" gave the Navajo - after destroying their sacred peach orchards (much of Arizona and New Mexico is actually fairly cold, snowy forest) a reservation where there was no fucking food and they died like it was a concentration camp. I have an interest in the Green Glass Sea and Canyon de Chelly for the peach groves or what is left of them. The Navajo were a pastoralist people who mostly made their living off of their sheep.
Ohio
Le ha ha funny 100% wholesome meme state has what is the strongest state flag of all just on the grounds of being the only state (Nepal is the only country) to use a guidon as its style. This state is fascinating and the fact of the matter is that Ohio is literal perfection in the form of land. The Ohio Fault Lines Guy? I WISH I got raped while tripping balls like him so I could bond with the State of Ohio as deeply as he did. The Ohio takes its name from one of the GOAT rivers of the country (nearly as cool as the Mississippi) and the state ultimately developed to be a microcosm of America with its blending of Appalachian hillbillies (like Vance's trash family), German Amerikaners (heavy in Cincinnati's area) and Mennonites, general Americans and Lacustrine Yankees. Because of this, Ohio is often used by advertising agencies, surveys and what not as representative of the country as a whole.
Ohio was the seat of power for the Shawnee and the Old Northwest Territory. For the Shawnee, a Chilicothe was what they called their capital, wherever it may be. When they got expelled from Ohio, the Chilicothe they left behind become the modern city we know, which hosts the play Tecumseh (surprisingly accurate). It has quite a connection to the epic story of Indian America's great crusade to drive the White Man out.
Ohioans would go on to become the people who invented the airplane (Wright Brothers) and supplied an absurd number of astronauts (like Neil Armstrong).
South Carolina
Surprisingly strong flag.
South Carolina mostly distinguished itself by being a horrible influence on its brothers. During the Revolution, they were lazy fucks that could only get motivated to fight when the British threatened to take the Negro away from them. Settled by degenerate offspring of Bermudian planters, they shared the same ultimate origins as the Virginia planter, but with an utter ruthlessness that ultimately gave birth to hellholes like Mississippi. Essentially, while Virginia and South Carolina were both Lowland Southern in ethnicity, the former would spread west and mingle with Appalachian Scots-Irish culture to birth the Upper South while the latter would become the seed of the Deep South.
During the Civil War period, South Carolina came to be the heart of secession due to its batshit crazy leadership (too small to be a republic, too large to be an insane asylum), and for that managed to get the rest of the region destroyed with it (remembering that none of the Upper South states seceded until Lincoln made clear his intention to meet the Deep South's secession with force). Fuck you South Carolina.
That said, Charleston is an absolutely wonderful city. Feels like New England mixed with the Caribbean. Has the largest historic preservation district in the world. Very, very distinctive architecture/vibe. Whatever you picture with trench warfare and the WW1 destruction of cities, Charleston experienced. The Union defense of Fort Sumter is the famous story (for obvious reasons), but the Confederate defense of Fort Sumter was one of the most brutal and long sieges of the war. The first sort-of successful use of a submarine in warfare was CSS Hunley's suicide attack, Hunley being powered by pedals (think like an underwater galley) and attacking its prey with a bomb at the end of a ram. It accidentally destroyed Hunley with it. O B V I O U S L Y any Confederate naval doctrine in a world where the CSA won would have revolved around wolf packs like the Germans.
Tennessee
Deep lore exists for Tennessee. You'll notice three stars. These correspond to three Grand Divisions that are written into Tennessee's constitution, albeit without any real significance (it doesn't have, like, sub-states within it). Tennessee is a unique place in that it is the only Southern state in which Upper Southern, Deep Southern and Appalachian cultures are all represented. West Tennessee is Deep Southern, is Black, is marshlands and delta, is home to music like the blues and rock-and-roll (Elvis Presley was a creature of the Mississippi-Tennessee borderlands). Its city is Memphis. Middle Tennessee is Upper South, is mixed, is country music and is Nashville. East Tennessee is Appalachia, is White, is bluegrass, is mountains. Its city is Knoxville, which once hosted a World's Fair. There are other cities, but those are the three that one would think of as emblematic of their respective regions.
During the Revolutionary era, Tennessee was actually home to the earliest independent government in the Anglo colonies. The Watauga Association did not WANT to secede, but the refusal of the British to recognize settlement west of the Proclamation Line forced the settlers to set up their own government. Watauga was a functioning republic (not disloyal to the Crown) before any of the "Thirteen" seceded. For over a decade before Lexington and Concord, the North Carolina (which the lands that became Tennessee belonged to) backcountry had a rolling, ongoing insurgency (War of the Regulation). Tennessee eventually goes on to produce the most effective President in American history (James K. Polk, imperator augustus of the Southwest).
During the War between the States, Union sentiment in East Tennessee and North Alabama was so high that there was a serious risk, before the Confederacy suppressed it, of them seceding from their states and fusing into a State of Nickajack. The Union sentiment was high enough that Tennessee, quickly occupied by the Union, was reconstructed so early that it (along with Louisiana) was allowed to vote in the 1864 Presidential election (it voted for Lincoln, most likely due to few people really being legally or conscientiously able to participate).
'Member New Mexico? Tennessee would go on to participate in the Manhattan Project as the site of Oak Ridge, a secret city, where my grandmother was a switchboard operator. A local prophet, John Hendrix, had with incredible accuracy prophesied the Manhattan Project's effects on the area. In those days the TVA also came in and built many dams that resulted in cities being (after evacuated) flooded, leaving many little Atlantises over the hills.
For cultural information on Tennessee, the Heartland Series TV show is a good program.
Texas
My most notable Texas experience was when, while walking down to the tourist area of San Antonio, a Mexican gentleman who I reckon recognized me as a tourist walked up to me and said, "There's an awful lot of Mexicans here."
Texas was effectively a de facto Tennessee colony, although some of its foundational figures were, admittedly, not only not Tennessean but were actually Yankees. Davy Crockett was a Tennessean and, let us tie this back to the Cherokee, when he famously said, "You all can go to Hell, I'm going to Texas," he said that in response to Indian Removal. I will not retell the tale of Texan independence, though. What I will share is that Texas became home to a colony of Germans, the Adelsverein, who booted it after the Springtime of Nations and still to this day speak a dialect of Texas Deutsch around New Braunfels.
Texas is, like Tennessee, a blend. It is Deep Southern in its East: there are even many Cajuns. That land was King Cotton and it was as eat up with Black slave plantation as Louisiana was. In its north and west it was Great Plains, albeit settled by Southern people (as Oklahoma was). In its south and west it was Mexico. In the core hill country it is Upper Southern, even Appalachian in offshoot; the accent in Texas is indistinguishable from that in Middle Tennessee. The Tejanos were as much a part of Texan independence as the Texans, and the original settlers were friendly to them; Texas came to mistreat its Mexicans with time as more and more peckerwoods from outside flooded in.
For cultural information on Texas, the Texas Country Reporter TV show is a good program.
WORLD FLAGS
Nepal
Godly. Note that the white is just the background of the photo, a Nepali flag is a guidon. Nepal went on to give the world the Buddha and the gurkhas (one of the best fighting forces in history).
Britain
Scotland
Prussia
Russia
Ukraine
South Korea
The Korean War is greatly underrated as the last major American war that was fought in a WW2 style but with the introduction of jet fighters on a large scale and helicopters; also for being our great war against the Chinese. If we had a healthier culture there would be a big push to rehabilitate it as part of an anti-Chinese push.
Finland
Soviet Union
My best friend who was born in Soviet Transnistria, the province of the Soviet Union (now an unrecognized secessionist state in Moldova) that refused to recognize the collapse of the USSR.
Rhodesia
Enlightenment-era Romanov Flag
I only really have this because it’s what Age of Empires III uses for the Russian flag, since it needs simple designs that really pop and feel old-timey. I don’t, by the way, like the Russian state. Peter the Great was, for all he’s jerked off, a rather bad tyrant. Typical example of a ruler trying to copy the results of the West without understanding the social structure that allows the West to make wonders. If I’m not mistaken, this flag continued to be used as late as Catherine the Great. I would prefer to root for the False Pyotr and the Cossack/serf insurgents.
1st Mexican Empire
If you ask for a flag for Christmas, you really just shouldn’t, because there’s no guarantee that the person buying will be conscientious enough to check that what they got is what you asked for. This was meant to be a 2nd Mexican Empire flag. The Mexican War for Independence is notable for breaking the trends of Latin American independence in a number of ways. The revolution came from a very radical direction that was like early proto-Liberation Theology with Father Hidalgo, but the actual state that was constituted was a very reactionary one. Mexico seceded less because it wanted to and more because the Spanish Empire was in collapse. The monarchy was that of Agustin de Iturbide, and he was quickly replaced with a republic that constantly broke down into periods of dictatorship and civil war (Santa Ana’s era).
Eventually, some people cook up the idea of trying to nation build in Mexico by stabilizing it with another monarchy. This was France’s Vietnam, along with Spain being France’s Vietnam and Vietnam being France’s Vietnam. Agustin was unable to carry on his dynasty, and Napoleon had a grandson (his son being raised in captivity by the Austrians) that had nothing else to do, so the Mexicans invite Maximilian and Charlotte (Maximiliano and Carlota) to reign and act as guardians to the rightful heirs of the Iturbide dynasty.
By all accounts, Maximiliano was (in a pattern that you see with all Bonapartes) a dedicated ruler that fell in love with the country the moment he got there and dedicated himself to trying to fix it. Benito Juarez was a similarly honorable man, the Mexican Republican leader being an Indian that asked his uncle to whoop him if he didn’t study as he knew nobody else would take responsibility for his education. Their conflict was just a tragedy. During the War, some Confederate self-exiles (Confederados) were invited to Mexico to establish an agrarian colony of Carlota/New Virginia and fight as mercenaries. With the defeat of the Second Empire, their colony went up in smoke, unlike Americana in Brazil (which continued to observe Confederado heritage until very recently when a bunch of angry White people from across the sea pressured them into giving up fun things that weren’t their business).
Note how much the anthem plagiarizes O, Susanna.
Imperial Spain
This flag is used both for the Spanish Empire (and has been incorporated into flags like Alabama due to that) and later for Carlism, a reactionary movement in Spain that you might analogize to Jacobitism in England. Carlists regularly tore up Spain (a shithole country) through the 19th Century, trying to restore their favored candidate so they could decentralize the country, continue to be a Catholic theocratic shithole and wallow in their filth. This is the flag for when you want to LARP as a conquistador or drew the short straw and have to play as the Treasure Fleet and not as the pirates. Carlists went on to fight in the Spanish Civil War as part of Franco’s retard squad.
Falangist Spain
For a while in high school and college, essentially back when I was Alt-Right as opposed to paleoconservative/paleolibertarian, I idolized Latin American dictators that killed massive numbers of Communists. There is nothing wrong with idolizing killing Communists. What is bad is when you idolize a retard who was as destructive to his country as a Communist would have been. Where Hitler did this with warmongering and replacing the authentic culture of Germany with his thin gruel, Franco did this by practicing one of the most extreme forms of autarky, although the US (like it would later do with Cuba) made this considerably worse by tormenting him with embargos. As a consequence, Spain just languished, not recovering from the Spanish Civil War at all until a full generation later when Franco managed to pull off a diplomatic realignment with the United States and handed control of the economy over to Opus Dei (liberal Catholic lay economists).
Ethiopian Empire
The Ethiopians are quite interesting not just for being (at one time) the most advanced Black Africans, although they clearly went nowhere with it after ancient times, but also being one of (with the Armenians) oldest branches of Christianity. Considering their isolation, too, it is quite likely their version of Christianity (Coptic) would be the most authentic to actual apostolic practice (I know this includes doctrines I’m not a fan of, like intercessory prayer/veneration, but it is what it is). They claim that they have the original Ark of the Covenant squirreled away in one of their temples never to be seen by anybody. The closest equivalent in another denomination that I can think of is the Mormons having a Holy of Holies in their Great Temple, and if the Ark is real then clearly the Copts win.
Copts also use what is essentially the direct descendant of Pharaonic Egyptian as their liturgical language and the Ethiopians are literally ruled by Negus (get it, it sounds like "niggas").
When Rastafarianism became a thing it idolized Ethiopia (a country that had fuck all to do with the Atlantic Slave Trade, in fact, the Ethiopians are effectively their own Cushitic race that is as distant to Black Bantus as they are from the Semitic people whose slender faces they most resemble). Haile Selassie was amused but did not agree with the religion that venerated him as a savior or whatever. I don’t know, I don’t care about Rastafarianism.
Q: Are there any flags you want?
A: Quite a few. Top priority is really striking regional and historically independent flags. Texas wasn’t the only US state to have an independent existence: Vermont and Hawaii were independent, although Vermont’s Revolutionary flag is also fuck ugly. Deseret (Utah) had no specific flag, but there are some good designs with blue-and-white color schemes. New England’s flag is great. I don’t just collect things I sympathize with, so I’d like to own a New Afrika flag.
There are other states out there with very striking designs. I genuinely love the new Mississippi one with the magnolia; Confederate flag controversies aside, it’s just a better flag.
For world flags, I would like to build collections of flags for belligerents of various wars (WW1, WW2, Syrian Civil War, major proxy wars of the Cold War, etc.). For Japan it would be the Naval Jack since the state flag is somewhat boring. Transvaal/the South African Republic is a priority, as is Argentina for Javier Milei, and there are other Latin American flags (like the Brazil of Dom Pedro, Gran Colombia and Cuba) I want. Although I have a Scottish flag, I would like to have a Covenanter variant of it specifically.
I'd like to have an Ikko-Ikki flag. I'm not sure that such a thing actually exists IRL, outside of Shogun 2: Total War, but I like the Ikko-Ikki a lot as another pseudo-republican (they weren't anti-Emperor to my understanding, but were as close to peasant republics as the Oriental could conceive) religious revolt like the Covenanters.
Who amongst collects flags? Without them in front of me, I might be missing some from this list (it's old, hasn't been updated), I doubt I'm going to post every single flag here, as that would take a long time to go through. Instead, we will be looking specifically at my American flags collection with the rest of the world coming in another post.
I mostly fly my flags vertically on my walls, like I'm at the world's coolest 1930s German rally, with some meaningful ones in my office, some in my parlor, and walls of less meaningful ones in my bedroom.
Some of my thoughts/reasons for having these flags are redacted.
APPALACHIA
This really cool flag is an unofficial "bioregion flag." It's mostly associated with libtard faggots and environmentalists. However, I think it is an extremely strong design with a good motivation behind it. They tried to make an explicitly non-ethnic design, and yet fucked up absurdly by putting what looks like a nod to the Scottish saltire right in the middle of it. The scene is of the Blue Ridge Mountains, done up in the pattern of a quilt (the star itself is a common symbol on regional quilts). I am very fond of it. I use it as one of two alternatives to the Confederate flag, which you will see me ramble about at length below.
MY WAR BETWEEN THE STATES COLLECTION
Confederate Army of Tennessee ("the Rebel Flag")
When I was a DiLorenzo (libertarian "it was about tariffs and corporate welfare") Neo-Confederate in younger years I flew this. Over time it made me uncomfortable as I moved away from that stuff, but I still flew it for a long time out of sheer spite. It was a relief to me when I finally took it down. I think it is genuinely one of the most god-tier flag designs of all time, but I don't like having it up anymore; if I need to see one to get a boner, I fly the 3rd National (pictured below).
The difference between this and the Confederate Naval Jack is one of the shade of blue.
Confederate States, 1st National
This is what annoying, pretentious and incorrect shits call the "real" Confederate flag, and I call it incorrect as we'll see in a moment that the Rebel flag is used in the final Confederate state flag as a canton. That said, this was the first one and after Clown World decided that all Rebel flags had to go, people kind of started leaning on it more.
I used to think it was fuck ugly and boring, but honestly, it really, really grows on you. The irony is that it is actually far worse in terms of what it symbolizes, being purely a symbol of the government itself and not of the broader cultural identity the Confederate flag came to take on (part of why I flew it a long time) or resistance to an armed invasion, but, at the same time, the historicity of it makes it feel better. At some point I intend to get one of those Union cavalry guidons (the kind that wasn't the actual Union flag, but is sometimes used in media like a Union equivalent to a Rebel battle flag because it's distinctive). I like doing dueling belligerents themes (each side on a separate wall facing off).
Confederate States, 3rd National
Oh, would you fucking look at that, the official CSA state flag did, by the end, have the Rebel flag on it. Who the fuck could have guessed. The 2nd National, by the way, is the exact same but without the red bar, which made it uglier and is why I don't care about it.
South Carolina Secession Flag
Before there was the flag of the Buc'ees Caliphate, there were these moon runes.
OTHER AMERICAN HISTORY (CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER)
Cajun
The Cajuns are not, despite what a lot of people think, the same as all French Louisianans. They were an ethnic group formed by the expulsion of the French from Acadia (Nova Scotia) during one of the many little colonial wars. These Acadians (à Cajuns) migrated to Louisiana where they remained socially separate from the Plantation French and the cosmopolitan, Caribbean city of New Orleans. Cajuns were mostly poor bayou people, fishermen and later servicers of the oil platforms, discriminated against within their own state. They were strongly neutral during the War between the States and developed a distinctive musical genre called zydeco that makes use of accordion (like a lot of German and German-inflected country music does).
Betsy Ross
Aside from its obvious fame, I prefer this to the modern US flag, not in that I don't think we should represent all states but just aesthetically and in terms of it being the one flag that represents the country in its finest form (the moral aspirations of the Revolutionary generation). People that want to Confederatize it (like how they want to Nazify the Confederacy) can eat shit.
Don't Tread On Me
This is what I promote nowadays as an alternative to the Rebel flag for representing Southern nationalism. The reason is that this American Revolution battle flag was from South Carolina and ultimately went on to keep its original meaning as a symbol of resistance to tyranny in a war that lead to the first Southern war of independence (as part of the broader war of independence) and the brief moment in time when the nation and world at large were heavily influenced by the philosophy of the Virginia planters (Washington, Jefferson, Madison).
The Whiskey Rebellion
The thing is, "the Whiskey Rebellion flag" never existed in this exact form. The thing people circulate around and use as a symbol of it was, of all things, some Federalist campaign bullshit. Regardless, I own this. The Whiskey Rebellion was some bullshit. I can understand the need to have lines in the sand that people can't just disregard any law they don't like, but it was in response to what was effectively a regressive tax (distilleries that were industrial in scale weren't effected, small farmers were) on a commodity currency that this large population of disenfranchised uber-Patriots depended on. This was the original knife in the back before many, many others to the Appalachian people.
Bonnie Blue Flag
The “Bonnie Blue Flag” actually has a history outside of being a Confederate flag. It was used by Texas too, but more importantly by West Florida, an early filibustering expedition (in the vein of Bear Flag California) against what is now Louisiana east of the Mississippi.
Cherokee Nation
I happen to very much like Indians as a topic. I think that people that don't like Indians and jerk off to shit like Vikings should renounce their citizenships and go live in Sweden with the Syrians and see how they like it. The Cherokee are my favorite Indians, not just because of them being local to Appalachia but also due to being absolute Chads. They basically pulled a Meiji Restoration on the scale of an Indian tribe, as did the other Civilized Tribes. See, civilization was the norm, not the exception, in the Indian South. When Hernando de Soto explored it he found many well-developed statelets with small cities, and after the disruption of the smallpox, which was like a localized apocalypse (90% death rates), the Indians (Creeks being the big scary) reorganized themselves pretty well.
The Cherokee were kind of a master race. They were a branch off the Iroquois, the other uber-geniuses of Indian America, and kept up this long-running family feud in which they burn each other to death for sport. They practiced the same kind of corn and beans based agriculture that became the basis of Southern food. They had matrilineal clans and this cool system where you had a choice of which of two gender roles to take on. So like, you had to take the whole package, if you don't like hunting then you also have to dick up the ass and dress like a girl. None of this mixing and matching shit, you can be a man or a woman, but you had damn well better be a GOOD man or woman.
White Man comes along, the Indians take readily to plantation slavery, statehood, Christianity, commercial society, all that shit. They intermarried with Scots all the time, which helped their uplift. Where the Cherokee differed was that they went a step further and actually created their own syllabary. Sequoyah (who, like all great Indians, was part White) doesn't know how to read, but he understands the idea, and he makes up his own system. See, in Cherokee language, all words are cobbled together from a small set of syllables (like, around 40 or so). Since you write exactly as things sound, it's incredibly quick to learn how to read and write, and the Cherokee went to near 100% literacy rates (with their own tribal newspaper) practically overnight.
Ultimately, the greedy peckerwoods kicked them out. What people who don't know anything about the subject don't get is that the Cherokee were not like the savages out on the Plains. They weren't in a state of war with us at the time, they had an organized government. They had basically been doing everything that was expected of them, and more, to get along with the US Government (as Washington wished), and had culturally become European. They wore top hats and shit. So when the State of Georgia kicked it all off by unilaterally violating the Fed's own treaty to kick these people out, it would be like if the govt today decided to kick out all Italian people. It was complete bullshit, so much so that Davy Crockett destroyed his political career over opposing it (story on that under Texas).
Overall, 10/10 Indian tribe, not as aggressive as some others but very much like.
Come and Take It
It looks like shit, to be honest, isn't even a good-looking cannon, you can make a much more militant cannon by putting some wheels on it. Frankly, I don't know why I own it. I may have WANTED to buy the AR-15 version and felt some weird, guilty obligation to get the historical one instead. The words are a reference to that muh Spartans melon labia slogan from the Peloponnesian Wars. The cannon to some shit that was supposed to be Texas' Lexington and Concord. For what it is worth, modern fag historians have tried to Confederatize Texas (what haven't they?). Much of it is true - the Texans were some of the dirtiest most underhanded backstabbers on Earth - but the fact of the matter is that Mexico was under the rule of a literal dictator who had overthrown the rightful government with which the Texans had treated and was facing many rebellions and independence wars, including literally right across the Rio Grande, that had nothing to do with slavery. Ultimately, the Mexicans can eat shit.
48 star United States
I actually specifically own a 48-star US flag because that's the exact flag that the Battle of Blair Mountain coal mining insurgents used. It being the World Wars flag is more incidental to my purpose. I have some getup related to Blair Mountain and would like to one day make a proper shrine to it with like a mannequin to dress in the overalls and bandana and prop with a genuine Swiss Vetterli rifle. Regardless, it's only subtly different than the modern 50-star one, but I very very much prefer its symmetry. Usually I will use it, like the Betsy Ross flag, in place of Globohomo America.
Christian Flag
This flag is the flag of the Federal Council of Churches, an ecumenical council of basically everybody except for Roman Catholics (fuck off) and Mormons (Orthodox and Copts are represented as well as Protestants). You’ll notice that it, being American and from the era that it’s from, very transparently invokes the United States national flag with its blue canton and red-white-and-blue color scheme. Nowadays it is a very common sight across the rural Southern countryside where most churches of any size (which are literally everywhere, often there’s several churches within sight of each other) will have them outside along with wooden crosses.
Trump Campaign Flag
I bought this at a rally in 2016 that a cringey uber-Trump Qtard friend drug me to. Of course, now we know that Trump is as likely to stab us in the back by importing a billion Indians as he is to do anything useful. What Leftards, who don’t argue in good faith, don’t understand is that no amount of betrayal from Trump could make him worse than the party of child molestation, election rigging and affirmative action.
AMERICAN STATES (ALPHABETICAL ORDER)
Almost all good US state flags come from the South and Southwest.
Arizona
Arizona fun fact: During the War between the States, New Mexico Territory (which at that time comprised what became both Arizona and New Mexico) had an internal civil war in which the southern part of the Territory seceded, as Arizona, and joined the Confederate States. The CSA and USA promptly invaded the territory, with Union New Mexico drawing its strength from Colorado Territory mainly and Confederate Arizona drawing mainly from Texas. Meanwhile, the Apache, Navajo and Comanche were all going apeshit. Some of this is depicted in the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Confederate Arizona went on to be completely forgotten by popular memory and is almost always left off of maps. The vindictive faggots running the Union split the territory west-east instead of north-south out of spite.
At one point in the decisive Battle of Valverde, if I'm not mistaken, it came down to a duel with the regimental colors of both units, both of the flagbearers being Mexicans.
Mesilla was the capital. Besides that, I have an interest in the Petrified Forest (I fucking love petrified wood), Grand Canyon, the Hopi and similar people out there, and the Saguaro Forest.
My grandpa worked on the Glen Canyon Dam in Page and my father went to school with Navajos.
Colorado
The Colorado Chads BTFO of the Texas queers. That's not why I own this thing, though, and for personal reasons I despise this flag now. But, nonetheless, it manages to be an extremely strong (top-tier in general, in the world) flag despite having touches of disgusting, soulless corporateness about it.
New Mexico
During the war in the West the Union strived to be the biggest pieces of shit imaginable. Where the Confederates hoped to enslave the Indians, the Union instead "mercifully" gave the Navajo - after destroying their sacred peach orchards (much of Arizona and New Mexico is actually fairly cold, snowy forest) a reservation where there was no fucking food and they died like it was a concentration camp. I have an interest in the Green Glass Sea and Canyon de Chelly for the peach groves or what is left of them. The Navajo were a pastoralist people who mostly made their living off of their sheep.
Ohio
Le ha ha funny 100% wholesome meme state has what is the strongest state flag of all just on the grounds of being the only state (Nepal is the only country) to use a guidon as its style. This state is fascinating and the fact of the matter is that Ohio is literal perfection in the form of land. The Ohio Fault Lines Guy? I WISH I got raped while tripping balls like him so I could bond with the State of Ohio as deeply as he did. The Ohio takes its name from one of the GOAT rivers of the country (nearly as cool as the Mississippi) and the state ultimately developed to be a microcosm of America with its blending of Appalachian hillbillies (like Vance's trash family), German Amerikaners (heavy in Cincinnati's area) and Mennonites, general Americans and Lacustrine Yankees. Because of this, Ohio is often used by advertising agencies, surveys and what not as representative of the country as a whole.
Ohio was the seat of power for the Shawnee and the Old Northwest Territory. For the Shawnee, a Chilicothe was what they called their capital, wherever it may be. When they got expelled from Ohio, the Chilicothe they left behind become the modern city we know, which hosts the play Tecumseh (surprisingly accurate). It has quite a connection to the epic story of Indian America's great crusade to drive the White Man out.
Ohioans would go on to become the people who invented the airplane (Wright Brothers) and supplied an absurd number of astronauts (like Neil Armstrong).
South Carolina
Surprisingly strong flag.
South Carolina mostly distinguished itself by being a horrible influence on its brothers. During the Revolution, they were lazy fucks that could only get motivated to fight when the British threatened to take the Negro away from them. Settled by degenerate offspring of Bermudian planters, they shared the same ultimate origins as the Virginia planter, but with an utter ruthlessness that ultimately gave birth to hellholes like Mississippi. Essentially, while Virginia and South Carolina were both Lowland Southern in ethnicity, the former would spread west and mingle with Appalachian Scots-Irish culture to birth the Upper South while the latter would become the seed of the Deep South.
During the Civil War period, South Carolina came to be the heart of secession due to its batshit crazy leadership (too small to be a republic, too large to be an insane asylum), and for that managed to get the rest of the region destroyed with it (remembering that none of the Upper South states seceded until Lincoln made clear his intention to meet the Deep South's secession with force). Fuck you South Carolina.
That said, Charleston is an absolutely wonderful city. Feels like New England mixed with the Caribbean. Has the largest historic preservation district in the world. Very, very distinctive architecture/vibe. Whatever you picture with trench warfare and the WW1 destruction of cities, Charleston experienced. The Union defense of Fort Sumter is the famous story (for obvious reasons), but the Confederate defense of Fort Sumter was one of the most brutal and long sieges of the war. The first sort-of successful use of a submarine in warfare was CSS Hunley's suicide attack, Hunley being powered by pedals (think like an underwater galley) and attacking its prey with a bomb at the end of a ram. It accidentally destroyed Hunley with it. O B V I O U S L Y any Confederate naval doctrine in a world where the CSA won would have revolved around wolf packs like the Germans.
Tennessee
Deep lore exists for Tennessee. You'll notice three stars. These correspond to three Grand Divisions that are written into Tennessee's constitution, albeit without any real significance (it doesn't have, like, sub-states within it). Tennessee is a unique place in that it is the only Southern state in which Upper Southern, Deep Southern and Appalachian cultures are all represented. West Tennessee is Deep Southern, is Black, is marshlands and delta, is home to music like the blues and rock-and-roll (Elvis Presley was a creature of the Mississippi-Tennessee borderlands). Its city is Memphis. Middle Tennessee is Upper South, is mixed, is country music and is Nashville. East Tennessee is Appalachia, is White, is bluegrass, is mountains. Its city is Knoxville, which once hosted a World's Fair. There are other cities, but those are the three that one would think of as emblematic of their respective regions.
During the Revolutionary era, Tennessee was actually home to the earliest independent government in the Anglo colonies. The Watauga Association did not WANT to secede, but the refusal of the British to recognize settlement west of the Proclamation Line forced the settlers to set up their own government. Watauga was a functioning republic (not disloyal to the Crown) before any of the "Thirteen" seceded. For over a decade before Lexington and Concord, the North Carolina (which the lands that became Tennessee belonged to) backcountry had a rolling, ongoing insurgency (War of the Regulation). Tennessee eventually goes on to produce the most effective President in American history (James K. Polk, imperator augustus of the Southwest).
During the War between the States, Union sentiment in East Tennessee and North Alabama was so high that there was a serious risk, before the Confederacy suppressed it, of them seceding from their states and fusing into a State of Nickajack. The Union sentiment was high enough that Tennessee, quickly occupied by the Union, was reconstructed so early that it (along with Louisiana) was allowed to vote in the 1864 Presidential election (it voted for Lincoln, most likely due to few people really being legally or conscientiously able to participate).
'Member New Mexico? Tennessee would go on to participate in the Manhattan Project as the site of Oak Ridge, a secret city, where my grandmother was a switchboard operator. A local prophet, John Hendrix, had with incredible accuracy prophesied the Manhattan Project's effects on the area. In those days the TVA also came in and built many dams that resulted in cities being (after evacuated) flooded, leaving many little Atlantises over the hills.
For cultural information on Tennessee, the Heartland Series TV show is a good program.
Texas
My most notable Texas experience was when, while walking down to the tourist area of San Antonio, a Mexican gentleman who I reckon recognized me as a tourist walked up to me and said, "There's an awful lot of Mexicans here."
Texas was effectively a de facto Tennessee colony, although some of its foundational figures were, admittedly, not only not Tennessean but were actually Yankees. Davy Crockett was a Tennessean and, let us tie this back to the Cherokee, when he famously said, "You all can go to Hell, I'm going to Texas," he said that in response to Indian Removal. I will not retell the tale of Texan independence, though. What I will share is that Texas became home to a colony of Germans, the Adelsverein, who booted it after the Springtime of Nations and still to this day speak a dialect of Texas Deutsch around New Braunfels.
Texas is, like Tennessee, a blend. It is Deep Southern in its East: there are even many Cajuns. That land was King Cotton and it was as eat up with Black slave plantation as Louisiana was. In its north and west it was Great Plains, albeit settled by Southern people (as Oklahoma was). In its south and west it was Mexico. In the core hill country it is Upper Southern, even Appalachian in offshoot; the accent in Texas is indistinguishable from that in Middle Tennessee. The Tejanos were as much a part of Texan independence as the Texans, and the original settlers were friendly to them; Texas came to mistreat its Mexicans with time as more and more peckerwoods from outside flooded in.
For cultural information on Texas, the Texas Country Reporter TV show is a good program.
WORLD FLAGS
Nepal
Godly. Note that the white is just the background of the photo, a Nepali flag is a guidon. Nepal went on to give the world the Buddha and the gurkhas (one of the best fighting forces in history).
Britain
Scotland
Prussia
Russia
Ukraine
South Korea
The Korean War is greatly underrated as the last major American war that was fought in a WW2 style but with the introduction of jet fighters on a large scale and helicopters; also for being our great war against the Chinese. If we had a healthier culture there would be a big push to rehabilitate it as part of an anti-Chinese push.
Finland
Soviet Union
My best friend who was born in Soviet Transnistria, the province of the Soviet Union (now an unrecognized secessionist state in Moldova) that refused to recognize the collapse of the USSR.
Rhodesia
Enlightenment-era Romanov Flag
I only really have this because it’s what Age of Empires III uses for the Russian flag, since it needs simple designs that really pop and feel old-timey. I don’t, by the way, like the Russian state. Peter the Great was, for all he’s jerked off, a rather bad tyrant. Typical example of a ruler trying to copy the results of the West without understanding the social structure that allows the West to make wonders. If I’m not mistaken, this flag continued to be used as late as Catherine the Great. I would prefer to root for the False Pyotr and the Cossack/serf insurgents.
1st Mexican Empire
If you ask for a flag for Christmas, you really just shouldn’t, because there’s no guarantee that the person buying will be conscientious enough to check that what they got is what you asked for. This was meant to be a 2nd Mexican Empire flag. The Mexican War for Independence is notable for breaking the trends of Latin American independence in a number of ways. The revolution came from a very radical direction that was like early proto-Liberation Theology with Father Hidalgo, but the actual state that was constituted was a very reactionary one. Mexico seceded less because it wanted to and more because the Spanish Empire was in collapse. The monarchy was that of Agustin de Iturbide, and he was quickly replaced with a republic that constantly broke down into periods of dictatorship and civil war (Santa Ana’s era).
Eventually, some people cook up the idea of trying to nation build in Mexico by stabilizing it with another monarchy. This was France’s Vietnam, along with Spain being France’s Vietnam and Vietnam being France’s Vietnam. Agustin was unable to carry on his dynasty, and Napoleon had a grandson (his son being raised in captivity by the Austrians) that had nothing else to do, so the Mexicans invite Maximilian and Charlotte (Maximiliano and Carlota) to reign and act as guardians to the rightful heirs of the Iturbide dynasty.
By all accounts, Maximiliano was (in a pattern that you see with all Bonapartes) a dedicated ruler that fell in love with the country the moment he got there and dedicated himself to trying to fix it. Benito Juarez was a similarly honorable man, the Mexican Republican leader being an Indian that asked his uncle to whoop him if he didn’t study as he knew nobody else would take responsibility for his education. Their conflict was just a tragedy. During the War, some Confederate self-exiles (Confederados) were invited to Mexico to establish an agrarian colony of Carlota/New Virginia and fight as mercenaries. With the defeat of the Second Empire, their colony went up in smoke, unlike Americana in Brazil (which continued to observe Confederado heritage until very recently when a bunch of angry White people from across the sea pressured them into giving up fun things that weren’t their business).
Note how much the anthem plagiarizes O, Susanna.
Imperial Spain
This flag is used both for the Spanish Empire (and has been incorporated into flags like Alabama due to that) and later for Carlism, a reactionary movement in Spain that you might analogize to Jacobitism in England. Carlists regularly tore up Spain (a shithole country) through the 19th Century, trying to restore their favored candidate so they could decentralize the country, continue to be a Catholic theocratic shithole and wallow in their filth. This is the flag for when you want to LARP as a conquistador or drew the short straw and have to play as the Treasure Fleet and not as the pirates. Carlists went on to fight in the Spanish Civil War as part of Franco’s retard squad.
Falangist Spain
For a while in high school and college, essentially back when I was Alt-Right as opposed to paleoconservative/paleolibertarian, I idolized Latin American dictators that killed massive numbers of Communists. There is nothing wrong with idolizing killing Communists. What is bad is when you idolize a retard who was as destructive to his country as a Communist would have been. Where Hitler did this with warmongering and replacing the authentic culture of Germany with his thin gruel, Franco did this by practicing one of the most extreme forms of autarky, although the US (like it would later do with Cuba) made this considerably worse by tormenting him with embargos. As a consequence, Spain just languished, not recovering from the Spanish Civil War at all until a full generation later when Franco managed to pull off a diplomatic realignment with the United States and handed control of the economy over to Opus Dei (liberal Catholic lay economists).
Ethiopian Empire
The Ethiopians are quite interesting not just for being (at one time) the most advanced Black Africans, although they clearly went nowhere with it after ancient times, but also being one of (with the Armenians) oldest branches of Christianity. Considering their isolation, too, it is quite likely their version of Christianity (Coptic) would be the most authentic to actual apostolic practice (I know this includes doctrines I’m not a fan of, like intercessory prayer/veneration, but it is what it is). They claim that they have the original Ark of the Covenant squirreled away in one of their temples never to be seen by anybody. The closest equivalent in another denomination that I can think of is the Mormons having a Holy of Holies in their Great Temple, and if the Ark is real then clearly the Copts win.
Copts also use what is essentially the direct descendant of Pharaonic Egyptian as their liturgical language and the Ethiopians are literally ruled by Negus (get it, it sounds like "niggas").
When Rastafarianism became a thing it idolized Ethiopia (a country that had fuck all to do with the Atlantic Slave Trade, in fact, the Ethiopians are effectively their own Cushitic race that is as distant to Black Bantus as they are from the Semitic people whose slender faces they most resemble). Haile Selassie was amused but did not agree with the religion that venerated him as a savior or whatever. I don’t know, I don’t care about Rastafarianism.
Q: Are there any flags you want?
A: Quite a few. Top priority is really striking regional and historically independent flags. Texas wasn’t the only US state to have an independent existence: Vermont and Hawaii were independent, although Vermont’s Revolutionary flag is also fuck ugly. Deseret (Utah) had no specific flag, but there are some good designs with blue-and-white color schemes. New England’s flag is great. I don’t just collect things I sympathize with, so I’d like to own a New Afrika flag.
There are other states out there with very striking designs. I genuinely love the new Mississippi one with the magnolia; Confederate flag controversies aside, it’s just a better flag.
For world flags, I would like to build collections of flags for belligerents of various wars (WW1, WW2, Syrian Civil War, major proxy wars of the Cold War, etc.). For Japan it would be the Naval Jack since the state flag is somewhat boring. Transvaal/the South African Republic is a priority, as is Argentina for Javier Milei, and there are other Latin American flags (like the Brazil of Dom Pedro, Gran Colombia and Cuba) I want. Although I have a Scottish flag, I would like to have a Covenanter variant of it specifically.
I'd like to have an Ikko-Ikki flag. I'm not sure that such a thing actually exists IRL, outside of Shogun 2: Total War, but I like the Ikko-Ikki a lot as another pseudo-republican (they weren't anti-Emperor to my understanding, but were as close to peasant republics as the Oriental could conceive) religious revolt like the Covenanters.
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