Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

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Voles are also spoonheads.

I really liked all the vole gags on DS9 and wanted a few more. Stuff like that really drove home that they were not on a Federation station.

Honestly with all the failings of Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, etc the biggest problem is I'm having a difficulty telling them apart in the grand scheme of things. The most damning part of these modern shows is that they don't have any unique identity to tell people they really different from each other so I think thats a huge reason these shows are failing among other things

You hit the nail on the head. New Trek does not feel like Star Trek. Hell, The Orville felt more like classic Trek.

We don't need action, we don't need a Recent Thing™ flavor of the month episode that won't age well, we don't need snappy POC lines every two minutes, and we don't want actors, actresses, directors, and writers giving TMI about their pet social issues. We want episodes like "Who Watchhes the Watchers," "The Inner Light," and "In The Pale Moonlight." Modern fiction tries to be way too complex and pertinent, but it fails because it forgets that it's a business and most of us do not consume fiction to be lectured.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I really liked all the vole gags on DS9 and wanted a few more. Stuff like that really drove home that they were not on a Federation station.

Would have been a lot of fun if they used the spider-things Kira and Dax encounter on that Bajoran moon to hunt down the vole-infestation.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Would have been a lot of fun if they used the spider-things Kira and Dax encounter on that Bajoran moon to hunt down the vole-infestation.

That was such a missed opportunity.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

That was such a missed opportunity.

but then the station is overrun by spider things!

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

but then the station is overrun by spider things!

Exactly. It was a great moment to add more "O'Brien Must Suffer" content.

 

[teriyakiburns]

but then the station is overrun by spider things!

Just bring on a bunch of targs to hunt them down in turn.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Just bring on a bunch of targs to hunt them down in turn.

Yeah man, Deep Space Nine really could’ve used a little mascot. Like where’s their Porthos? Where’s their Spot? Just give Odo a Targ to raise, let it sleep in Quark’s bar and gore Bashir in the butt with its horn.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Just bring on a bunch of targs to hunt them down in turn.

Don't they also have a ton of tribbles on the station after traveling back in time?

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Don't they also have a ton of tribbles on the station after traveling back in time?

The Klingons spent a crapton of time and effort to exterminate these little fuckers and all it takes is some timey-wimey bullshit to undo that...

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The Klingons spent a crapton of time and effort to exterminate these little fuckers and all it takes is some timey-wimey bullshit to undo that...

What do you think the Great Tribble Hunt actually is? Did they deploy an entire fleet to glass the Tribble home planet and called it a day?

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

What do you think the Great Tribble Hunt actually is? Did they deploy an entire fleet to glass the Tribble home planet and called it a day?

Probably, but most Klingons would tell tales about how they personally slaughtered thousands of them with bares hands or stories about last stands to defend grain elevators from the ravenous enemies that are without honor or some such.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Probably, but most Klingons would tell tales about how they personally slaughtered thousands of them with bares hands or stories about last stands to defend grain elevators from the ravenous enemies that are without honor or some such.

It’s incredible that the mighty Klingon Empire lost to the Federation because Kirk basically held up a space guinea pig that screams racist slurs at Klingons. That was the whole op. That’s how the empire fell, a yipping puff ball.

 

[Uncle Buck]

It’s incredible that the mighty Klingon Empire lost to the Federation because Kirk basically held up a space guinea pig that screams racist slurs at Klingons. That was the whole op. That’s how the empire fell, a yipping puff ball.

It feels like the famed “Organian Peace Treaty” and the later Khitomer Accords, not to mention the events of The Undiscovered Country and the Romulan sneak-attack on Narendra III had more to do with it. But, sure, let’s go with you on this.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

It feels like the famed “Organian Peace Treaty” and the later Khitomer Accords, not to mention the events of The Undiscovered Country and the Romulan sneak-attack on Narendra III had more to do with it. But, sure, let’s go with you on this.

I'm def running with the idea that tribbles purring is exactly slurs to Klingons, and the screech is the hard R

 

[Captain Syrup]

It feels like the famed “Organian Peace Treaty” and the later Khitomer Accords, not to mention the events of The Undiscovered Country and the Romulan sneak-attack on Narendra III had more to do with it. But, sure, let’s go with you on this.

Organian Treaty? Was there an Organian Trail where someone died of dysentery and Kirk had to shoot 200 pounds of space meat and leave it behind?

Also, The Undiscovered Country was filmed after TNG started airing and they just reskinned the Enterprise-D, so if you were a normal TOS viewer, the last time you saw Klingons was what... "Elaan of Troyius"?

Maybe I missed it. They skipped it in syndication or something. Pull it up.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Also, The Undiscovered Country was filmed after TNG started airing and they just reskinned the Enterprise-D

In fairness, the majority of the E-D sets are redressed Motion Picture sets (engineering, sickbay, battle bridge, most of the corridors), so it evens out.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Organian Treaty? Was there an Organian Trail where someone died of dysentery and Kirk had to shoot 200 pounds of space meat and leave it behind?

Bruh, did you even watch The Trouble With Tribbles? The Organian Peace Treaty is mentioned as part of the episode’s premise. And the treaty itself was created as a result of the events of Errand of Mercy, one of THE classic episodes of TOS!

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

All I know is the Klingons being deathly afraid of tribbles will never not be funny.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Bruh, did you even watch The Trouble With Tribbles? The Organian Peace Treaty is mentioned as part of the episode’s premise. And the treaty itself was created as a result of the events of Errand of Mercy, one of THE classic episodes of TOS!

Seriously though, it always cheesed me off a little that they didn’t bring back Ned Romero’s Krell from "A Private Little War." Like imagine being the Klingon who threw hands with Captain Kirk in the Vietnam allegory episode and then getting recast as a stereotype who mostly stands around looking disappointed.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

The truth was they didn't have the budget nor the desire really to make a Fed/Klingon war arc.

Roddy felt that the Feds should be above that kind of behavor and the studio didn't want to shell out the bucks to make all those models and effects that would be needed.

So they invented the Organians. A post physical society that just told the Klingons to behave and because no one wants to fuck with someone whose gone past the death barrier the Klingons just...well did. Do you want to mess with a post physical society that probably has tech you can't even imagine let alone fight?

Really it worked out for the best as I thought the weakest part of DS9 was the all the war shit they put in to keep the modern audience interested.