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To be fair, Hidden Palace stream chats have always been cancer. 90% of it is calling the proto fake, or demanding drx/saz get to the parts they want to see right now.
The streams they did back in 2019 for Sonic Month were pretty fun, and turned prototype reveals into an event in of itself. It's just that most of the streams they've done since haven't been able to measure up to the highs of that Sonic 3 proto stream or the Sonic 1 proto stream they did the following year. Part of the problem is that most of the streams they do involve them going through games that most of their audience don't care about, or aren't that different from their final builds.
 
Someone's bashing the Special:Export page to scrape the site and Workman is freaking out about it on BlueSky. (Archive)
Well correct me if I'm wrong but MediaWiki is designed to do this and the content on the site is licenced under Creative Commons v3 and contributed by users under that licence. So is this him just deliberately being obstructive because he wants to claim it all as his? If he actually valued the content (which other people created) above his own power, seeing it be backed up would be a good thing. The guy seems to have a propensity to blow his top every now and then and go on mass banning rampages. If I were one of his contributors I think I'd want to know it was safely copied elsewhere.

Also, this is rather more telling than he thinks it is:
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So what he's saying here is that the most work he's put in on this site in years, is trying to stop other people accessing it. Do they ever actually have a "are we the baddies" moment?
 
The streams they did back in 2019 for Sonic Month were pretty fun, and turned prototype reveals into an event in of itself. It's just that most of the streams they've done since haven't been able to measure up to the highs of that Sonic 3 proto stream or the Sonic 1 proto stream they did the following year. Part of the problem is that most of the streams they do involve them going through games that most of their audience don't care about, or aren't that different from their final builds.
It's gonna be hard to impossible to top Sonic, but they don't really put on as much effort either. Sonic they had dug into the rom for neat little tricks to show off, plus, i get the impression ALOT of their streams are just stuff they're personally interested in. One, for example showed off Spyro the Dragon for a few hours, and the person behind that stream is a massive Spyrofag.

if this troon couldnt get any more corny one of the videos has deltarune music. why are they ALL obsessed with that game holy fuck
Lesbo shit, the fact that it came from someone they knew, Homestuck/pokemon connections, all the weird lore minutiae Toby stuck in these games that never seems to pan out but is still crack for the autistic. To give credit where it's due Deltarune at least seems to be leagues better than undertale, but when you take an entire decade to make it, of course it's gonna be.

So what he's saying here is that the most work he's put in on this site in years, is trying to stop other people accessing it. Do they ever actually have a "are we the baddies" moment?
No. He probably doesn't even like to think about TCRF most days. The place is and was always just a hangout for him and his clique of friends. Problem is the clique is, mostly, gone and they're not being replaced by anything. If he doesn't just blow up and kill the site prematurely then it will be left to rot at some point. It's an attitude that many in the scene have for these things, like assembler, who let the site die because nobody wanted him as leader.
 
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Just a small tip for your wiki. Naming it "Development History Wiki" is too wordy and legit reminds me of miraheze cancer and wikia cancer because they all follow the same naming convention "atrocious youtubers wiki", "worst vilains wiki", "incredible characters wiki" it's all the same shit.

Good luck on your project anyways. If Xkeeper can't be trusted with tcrf then any potential replacement is good in my book.
 
Just a small tip for your wiki. Naming it "Development History Wiki" is too wordy and legit reminds me of miraheze cancer and wikia cancer because they all follow the same naming convention "atrocious youtubers wiki", "worst vilains wiki", "incredible characters wiki" it's all the same shit.

Good luck on your project anyways. If Xkeeper can't be trusted with tcrf then any potential replacement is good in my book.
How about "Lost Content"? or "Buried Treasures" or something less dry than "Development History Wiki". I think somebody said the idea was to do something with a broader remit than just games?
 
So I've caught up a little on this situation and to summarise as I understand it, there's a dude who is admin on a site where many people have contributed their work under CCv3 licence. This dude started banning people who questioned his political stance and began to behave very erratically and having meltdowns. He's now trying to stop people archiving the site content.

So I'm not so much on the technical side of this but I am interested in the law. The entire site is a MediaWiki instance - public Open Source software that he didn't write. As part of the software's design, it offers both user-facing web pages and technical interfaces, an API that allows the content to be read as XML (a text-based technical format).

His entire site is licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution licence v3. This licence explicitly addresses Technical Protection Measures". Specifically that under the terms of the licence you may not introduce them for the purposes of restricting access. This doesn't cover traditional username and login but then the site is public access without username and login so that exemption doesn't apply. It doesn't require you to ensure everyone has access, but it does require you to not take active measures to interfere with access.

Reading his tweets above, he is actively altering the normal functionality of MediaWiki in order to explicitly prevent accessing the content - he admits this. It has nothing to do with the DDoS which I don't know much about, he's blocking archivers "scrapers" as he calls them to prevent people accessing the data for purposes he doesn't like. But it's not up to him to decide that, the licence he has chosen to use forbids this.

And he cannot try to make it about resources. A request via the API for a current XML version of the page consumes less resource than a browser request for the same page in HTML. Both in bandwidth and computing resource. He's violated the licence terms that he has promised to the contributors to the site.

Some links and excerpts:

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So, who can act on this? Well technically anybody could. You reading this right now could. There's not really much legal leg to stand on. And there's certainly not any moral leg to stand on as the whole point of the creative commons is to allow the easy sharing and building on each other's work and MediaWiki by design is intended to share the information in easy ways including programmatically. All he's currently doing is stopping other people backing up or sharing the contributor's work. Something contributors have implicitly given permission to do under the licence.

But specifically as to who can act on this, any site contributor is entirely within their rights to demand that he comply with the terms of the licence they submitted it under. And honestly should. If you have put time and effort into making this content and releasing it to the public, you don't want it in the hands of someone who appears to be having a melt down and actively treating it as if it's his.

So long as attribution is preserved, and that only applies when re-publishing it, he has no footing here. He's acting like the creative commons material entrusted to him is his. But it's not - neither by letter of the law nor spirit. The guy can't profit off Open Source and CC material when it suits him and then pretend it isn't when it doesn't.

He's putting more effort into preventing people archiving the site than running it. Again, in his own words. Power mad it seems to me.
 
But specifically as to who can act on this, any site contributor is entirely within their rights to demand that he comply with the terms of the licence they submitted it under. And honestly should. If you have put time and effort into making this content and releasing it to the public, you don't want it in the hands of someone who appears to be having a melt down and actively treating it as if it's his.
The problem is that most if not all the TCRF contributors are "forced" into compliance with XYKeeper's own demands. Nobody's gonna speak up about it because the guy is retarded and will try and spin it into how you're a BIGOT and anti-gay/trans/etc and all that. A lot of the site contributors just don't want to deal with that shit, even if they genuinely should to help everyone else in the long term. If nothing else, I think the issue is that anyone speaking up will basically burn their rep with adjacent communities at the stake because XYKeeper has his connections and being even remotely considered transphobic basically dooms you in these circles.

On the other hand, there are absolutely KFers out in this exact thread that most definitely contributed to the site. In this thread and the Workman thread, there's several people who mention being part of the website but won't say who they are since they'll get vaporized if they even try. And I'm sure XYKeeper will also spin whoever complains into also being a KF user as well. Of course, the only real public example of people who have used KF and have actual TCRF accounts we can reference are the ones who don't even (to my knowledge) even have a KF account, being the "innocent bans" of Mikan and MK5, the former of which tossed their account to the 'teens for use in raiding, and the latter theoretically should be able to use the site fine after some time if the block log is to be believed.

Basically the groups that could 110% say something won't for basically reasons of "Workman/XKeeper has too much power and we don't want to risk our own rep". Which also unfortunately means the retard scare tactics indeed work (man).
 
Hello, I've created a wiki inspired by some of the ideas in this thread. It's not a gaming cut content wiki, but a prerelease/cut content wiki for any kind of media and it's called the Development History Wiki. I'm working on an article about The Thief and The Cobbler as my first project.
The url is https://www.devhistory.wiki.
If anyone has any questions you can reach me at my talk page at User:Admin since I'm probably not gonna use this account again.
Cheers. Also, feel free to import any stuff from TCRF.

No slurs?
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Rules: https://www.devhistory.wiki/Help:Rules (https://archive.is/GViK9)
Admin talk page: https://www.devhistory.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Admin&diff=next&oldid=1225 (https://archive.is/wXEZi)
 
How about "Lost Content"? or "Buried Treasures" or something less dry than "Development History Wiki". I think somebody said the idea was to do something with a broader remit than just games?
I still think my name idea on Workman's thread is the better suggestion, but alas, the naming can be decided later on, when most of the wiki is finally set up.
 
Just a small tip for your wiki. Naming it "Development History Wiki" is too wordy and legit reminds me of miraheze cancer and wikia cancer because they all follow the same naming convention "atrocious youtubers wiki", "worst vilains wiki", "incredible characters wiki" it's all the same shit.
This is true, but on the other hand I wanna point out that a lot of the more abstract suggestions so far ITT--generally, not for this guy's wiki--have the opposite problem of being too nondescriptive.

The Cutting Room Floor is an excellent name that's both catchy and metaphorically descriptive (except that games don't have cutting rooms and it would make a lot more sense if the site were about just about any other form of media), but even if the site had a super shitty name, it benefits from being a super established site.
Like if the name was literally just "TCRF" people would still know what you're talking about because it's been around for a thousand years.

Too anonymous, especially if it has "wiki" at the end, and it sounds like some empty-ass wikia that's not worth visiting.
But too cute/obscure and it won't nominate itself as a successor to TCRF. Ideally the name itself should motivate nerds to check it out based on the content it promises, and needs to be something that'll play both while the site is trying to establish itself and after it has found an audience.

I don't think we're gonna find another perfect idiom like TCRF, but names that are like "Something Project" could at least advertise that there's some purpose trying to be achieved while also saying what that is, maybe? All the ideas people have had that are like "The Arcade Operator's Boot-Up Configuration Screen" are fucking dogshit at least, I'm pretty sure about that.

No slurs?
yeah let's watch out for tranny gayops next time a guy who registered two days ago says "I'll make it!", btw

I doubt that actually applies to this dude since his net is cast way too wide, but it's worth mentioning.
 
Yeah probably fine as long as it launches with a full TCRF scrape. And not a default wiki stylesheet.
I'm partial to the minimal, compact ones you find on hardware reference wikis. But anything that isn't stock will do.
 
The problem is that most if not all the TCRF contributors are "forced" into compliance with XYKeeper's own demands. Nobody's gonna speak up about it because the guy is retarded and will try and spin it into how you're a BIGOT and anti-gay/trans/etc and all that
He's actively creating a situation where he alone controls other people's work that is licenced to him under Creative Commons and in which he is the sole point of failure. He's blatantly setting his own desire for control above the interests of preserving the actual content. That's plenty cause for concern. All a group of creators need to do is challenge him on the licence. They are the copyright holders, the content is available to him only so long as he complies with the terms of the licence which he is not.

But it's up to the creators if they want to let him win or not. I'd never even heard of this site before this thread - I'm just an Open Source proponent. He is going against both the letter and spirit of Creative Commons. Basically becoming a parasite. He said himself, blocking people trying to archive the data is the most active he's been in the community in years.
 
I think we got him in 4K here, it shows he reads this thread and knows we're unafraid to just immediately report any stupid shit he does, so he's trying to reduce optics. Unfortunately it only makes his activity more suspicious to even normal end users. before you know it he'll go full Sonic Retro and nothing ever happens, they just disappear and nobody says anything and nothing ever happened.


edit: do you think someone else super notable got purged and he's trying to mask it?
 
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