Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[YouTube Autist]

Unfortunately, Russell was forthcoming and upfront in the May 6th hearing about "Yeah, I can pay it" I suspect precisely so he could point to it and say "See? I never lied! When the Judge asked If I could afford it I said so right away!"

If I had to guess, I'd say that Russell said, "Yeah, I can pay it," just to avoid the momentary humiliation of appearing poor. So much of his conduct during this lawsuit seems to reflect a concern for the immediate-term at the expense of all else.

Something I've come to find really obnoxious about Russell's maneuvering is the way he'll do something wrong and sanctionable, admit that he did it and that it was wrong, and then say, "Well, it's already done. No point punishing me, it's not like that would undo the mistake." And then the court chooses to humor him. It's the logic of a poorly-brought-up middle-schooler.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

ECF 344

 

[analrapist]

Bright and early on the 30th. Well-played, Mr. Hardin.

Is the red-line comparison approach reasonably standard operating practice? It's kinda weird to see editing approaches show up in law, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Hate to lead with criticism, but I hate that Hardin gave the court an easy out in the conclusion. One which I am 100% sure the court wouldn't have thought of on their own.

Oh instrad of dismissal we can just tell the tard to present how he plans to proceed with this case? OK we'll choose that one. Greer you have 90 days to submit a plan to proceed.

6 months later a rambling list of hardships and stalking accusations is submitted, and the court reads that as a perfectly reasonable plan to proceed.

Quit giving these faggots easy alternatives, Hardin.

Guess we'll see what the next month brings, other than more traumamblings.

 

[obsdj]

Psssst, @Useful_Mistake: SCOTUS granted cert in Cox v. Sony.

 

[DHugo]

Hate to lead with criticism, but I hate that Hardin gave the court an easy out in the conclusion. One which I am 100% sure the court wouldn't have thought of on their own.

Oh instrad of dismissal we can just tell the tard to present how he plans to proceed with this case? OK we'll choose that one. Greer you have 90 days to submit a plan to proceed.

6 months later a rambling list of hardships and stalking accusations is submitted, and the court reads that as a perfectly reasonable plan to proceed.

Quit giving these faggots easy alternatives, Hardin.

Guess we'll see what the next month brings, other than more traumamblings.

It seems more like Hardin is saying "the alternative is so ridiculous, it's just a waste of the court's time".
Particularly:

The judge knows that it's not really possible to win without any evidence, so it's not a realistic option.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

The judge knows that it's not really possible to win without any evidence.

I agree that he knows that, but I don't agree that he cares. Whether for his own entertainment, or just to continue punishing Null for being the Internet nigger (the Internigger?), I expect him to push this to trial unless pushed into some sort of legal checkmate that forces him to dismiss - and lack of evidence and legal standing are not that.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Psssst, @Useful_Mistake: SCOTUS granted cert in Cox v. Sony.
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Yes, I saw, but I was more interested in Grande Communications Networks, LLC v. UMG Recordings, Incorporated, et al. because it is the Grande case that actually cites Greer v. Moon 10th Circuit decision.

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

It seems more like Hardin is saying "the alternative is so ridiculous, it's just a waste of the court's time".
Particularly:
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The judge knows that it's not really possible to win without any evidence, so it's not a realistic option.

Shameful typo. He also screwed up “West Virginia.”

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

It was already plain as day once Greer agreed not to present anything that there would be no case to answer, but it's always nice to rub everyone's nose in it for allowing it to continue.

Pointing out that the amended complaint is significantly different is also stating the obvious, but again, the courts deserve to be patronised for allowing this to continue.

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Hate to lead with criticism, but I hate that Hardin gave the court an easy out in the conclusion. One which I am 100% sure the court wouldn't have thought of on their own.

Oh instrad of dismissal we can just tell the tard to present how he plans to proceed with this case? OK we'll choose that one. Greer you have 90 days to submit a plan to proceed.

6 months later a rambling list of hardships and stalking accusations is submitted, and the court reads that as a perfectly reasonable plan to proceed.

Quit giving these faggots easy alternatives, Hardin.

Guess we'll see what the next month brings, other than more traumamblings.

Well, they still have the sanctions issues to deal with so to keep this going he’s going to need to wave away a lot more.

 

[obsdj]

I guess Hardin was forced to hold off on mentioning the IFP fraud and anything else in the open motions that the judge has thus far refused to rule on. That's probably for the best, keeping this relatively brief. If (let's face it, when) the judge declines to dismiss on these grounds, he will still have to rule on all those other items and when he does, Hardin can hopefully act on that.

 

[HackerX]

Something I've come to find really obnoxious about Russell's maneuvering is the way he'll do something wrong and sanctionable, admit that he did it and that it was wrong, and then say, "Well, it's already done. No point punishing me, it's not like that would undo the mistake." And then the court chooses to humor him. It's the logic of a poorly-brought-up middle-schooler

It's a learned behavior. Obviously we don't have Russell's entire life story but I'd hazard a guess this is how he learned to deal with conflict:

- Russ does something he's stupid.

- Russ goes, "I didn't mean to. It was a goof. A bizarre mistake! I was just being careful!. Don't be mean to me! I'm just a poor retard".

- Person takes one look at Russ and feels pity.

- Person says, "it's okay Russ. It was just a mistake. Don't do it again."

- Russ doesn't learn anything and continues doing stupid things.

- The cycle continues

He learned that shit when he was a child and it's now ingrained into him because it worked. Now the issue arises in that Russ is not only adult and playing the "I'm just a poor retard" card is not nearly as effective anymore. Plus he's doing it in a forum where the very nature of said forum require a deeper investigation beyond "I'm just a poor retard." It's an instance where, yes, you can blame Russ because it's ultimately his actions, but the fault lies in how his parents and society enabled this behavior.

You'd figure Russ would have faced a consequence severe enough to unlearn that behavior at some point, but if he's got one admirable trait, it's stubborn persistence. He can pretend to be retarded much longer than anyone else can be patient. The only way that ever changes is if Russ gets smacked down in a manner that trumps all other smackdowns. Will that be this court case? Probably not unless this court lets Russ continue the charade and he digs such a deep hole he ends up in China.

Regardless of whether Russ pays the sanction or not, whatever he does today will be fascinating. He should have taken the free out by not paying the filing fees, but nope. Either he pays today and stops the temporary bleeding (while there are a handful of knives flying his way) and admits he paid a single red cent to HardNull, or he ignores it again...And then what? I'd be doesn't pay, it's like he thinks he's taking a final stand but this sanction is figuratively the first bullet in the war. The lawsuit hasn't even started and the slaughter hathe commenced. The 5 or so ECFs that'll fly in today are a great start to the work week. Hell, he may even upload more of his porn stash! I'm excited.

 

[DavidS877]

344 in giant pdf. OCR failed for some reason but I think it's all searchable anyway.

I'm glad we're finally nearing the middle of this case, only 5 more years to go.

Spoiler: Images

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Is the red-line comparison approach reasonably standard operating practice?

It is required in Utah except for pro se people:

https://www.utd.uscourts.gov/sites/utd/files/Civil%20Rules%20Final%202024.pdf

 

[The Un-Clit]

ECF 344
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There is nothing that is really surprising here (except for Matthew or his secretary's continuing failure to use a spell checker on his documents) so I will withhold comment until Greee replies.

There should be some mighty plightsplaining coming up!

 

[UncleTusky]

There is nothing that is really surprising here (except for Matthew or his secretary's continuing failure to use a spell checker on his documents) so I will withhold comment until Greee replies.

There should be some mighty plightsplaining coming up!

Gree does not get to respond to this document, the process goes motion to dismiss (Hardin) -> response (Greee) -> reply (what Hardin filed today). Given how he's handled the sanctions I expect he won't try relitigating this filing unless or until Bennett recommends dismissal/Barlow grants the recommendation.

 

[SCV]

I'm just catching up but I see 344 just dropped so I should post this now. ECF 342 and 343 were very funny (He already EXPLAINED ) but I don't have much to add. Can't wait to get into 344.

They had "dealings" to some extent, though to what extent is unclear to me. I don't believe he knew of the purpose of the LLC at any rate.

Do you think this is why rusty dropped "Intimate Dealing LLC" and registered "ID LLC" ?

The thing is Greer would have to pay the appeal fee which is $605. Hardin getting Greer to not be IFP anymore is so good because it is expensive to appeal now.

I think IFP in the appeals court is an entirely separate application / determination. Although I would expect Hardin to object and bring up the recent IFP status change.

asshat

It's asshole. Assholes smell bad. Shit comes out of them. That's why you don't want to be an asshole. "asshat" is either a novelty hat worn by feminists or brain rot just like unaliving, sewer slide, and everything else to get around automated censorship. We're on the farms. You can say niggerfaggot here. This whole shitshow of a case and tens of thousands of dollars burned is explicitly because you can say what you want here. Asshole.

 

[obsdj]

Gree does not get to respond to this document, the process goes motion to dismiss (Hardin) -> response (Greee) -> reply (what Hardin filed today). Given how he's handled the sanctions I expect he won't try relitigating this filing unless or until Bennett recommends dismissal/Barlow grants the recommendation.

He might still file a notice of supplemental authority, as he is wont to do regardless of whether it's appropriate.

 

[DavidS877]

Do you think this is why rusty dropped "Intimate Dealing LLC" and registered "ID LLC" ?

I think the reason here is simple. He got behind on filings and fees for "Intimate Dealings LLC" and it was cheaper to let it expire and re-file than to bring the previous LLC current.